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Re: Too rich for me

BuyGone Treasures <buygone@...>
 

All:

I think that both Ted and Tom responded to this subject very nicely and I
wholeheartedly agree with them. I guess my point is this If you feel that a
given kit is over your budget that's fine, but we don't need to hear about.
There are more that a few of us that are delighted to get kits like this at
this price.

Lets keep the discussion to the kit not the price. The market will
determine if it is to high or in the ball park.

Paul C. Koehler

-----Original Message-----
From: pullmanboss [mailto:tgmadden@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:55 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Too rich for me



--- In STMFC@..., Larry Smith <wooddale@b...> wrote:
I just saw the notice for the new N&W boxcars. They are too
expensive
for me to even look at. At $45 for an unassemble kit has the
resin
market gone too far. This is $10 more then Westerfield and
Sunshine. I
know what is involved with getting a resin kit to market and the
costs
involved because I'm working with a company right now and doing
the
patterns for a new kit. Sorry guys but it is narrow gauge, which
has an
even more limited market then the N&W cars, and it won't be sold
for
anywhere near $45.

Sorry but this kit straps my budget so I won't be getting any of
them.

Would your opinion have been different if these particular cars were
on your "must have" list, or are you just commenting that $45 is too
much for a resin freight car, regardless? Al and Martin have
multiple offerings at all times, plus a pretty good feel for what
their markets are. Their production runs are "hundreds" and up.
Don't know what this new company intends regarding quantity, but I'd
certainly take it slow until I found out what the demand was - and
price the product so the break-even point was around 100 kits and I
could stay in business.

Personally, I think it's great that there's a market for more
expensive, limited run resin kits like these N&W offerings and Jon
Cagle's SC&F Harriman head end cars.

Tom Madden







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Re: F&C Web Page is online

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Not to be a curmudgeon or start a lengthy off-topic thread over the
merits of specific browsers, but the F&C site is obviously designed for
Internet Explorer users. The site is essentially unusable with both
Netscape 7.0 and Mozilla 1.7.2 . . .
You can add Safari to this list.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Re: Too rich for me

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Walt Lankenau asked:
Which, and whose, N&W boxcars?

Pocahontas Models LLC HO scale kits of N&W Class B-4/4A 50' double
door boxcars. See Post #35068, October 20, 6:21 PM.


Ben Hom
Re: Wooden Running Boards - Dates

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jerry Stewart writes:
Maybe I wrong here, but I though that the PFE R-40-14
steel refrigerator cars built by PC&F just prior to the start
of the WWII had wood running boards, not steel open grid
type when delivered? Perhaps Tony Thompson can help us here,
also it might be interesting to find out how may wood running
board SP 1937 AAR steel box cars delivered prior to the war
and 1940 were also delivered with wood running boards?
PFE tried out the Apex running board as soon as it came out in 1939 (on five cars of R-40-10) and must have been delighted, as the following class, R-40-14, was so equipped. See page 167, PFE book.
Tim has correctly answered the SP question.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Re: Too rich for me

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Larry Smith <wooddale@b...> wrote:
I just saw the notice for the new N&W boxcars. They are too
expensive
for me to even look at. At $45 for an unassemble kit has the
resin
market gone too far. This is $10 more then Westerfield and
Sunshine. I
know what is involved with getting a resin kit to market and the
costs
involved because I'm working with a company right now and doing
the
patterns for a new kit. Sorry guys but it is narrow gauge, which
has an
even more limited market then the N&W cars, and it won't be sold
for
anywhere near $45.

Sorry but this kit straps my budget so I won't be getting any of
them.

Would your opinion have been different if these particular cars were
on your "must have" list, or are you just commenting that $45 is too
much for a resin freight car, regardless? Al and Martin have
multiple offerings at all times, plus a pretty good feel for what
their markets are. Their production runs are "hundreds" and up.
Don't know what this new company intends regarding quantity, but I'd
certainly take it slow until I found out what the demand was - and
price the product so the break-even point was around 100 kits and I
could stay in business.

Personally, I think it's great that there's a market for more
expensive, limited run resin kits like these N&W offerings and Jon
Cagle's SC&F Harriman head end cars.

Tom Madden
Re: New N&W Boxcar kits

Shawn Beckert
 

Jim,

I'm interested in both your kits, especially the B-4A since
automobile boxcars are much needed on my railroad, but I do
have a concern.

The photos of your assembled B-4A seem to show the car sitting
rather high off the trucks:

http://www.pocahontasmodels.com/images/gallery/kit%20105/pages/105_B_4A_jpg.htm

Is this just an illusion, or maybe the car was just "perched"
on the trucks for the photo? It could be just my old eyes, but
the car looks way too high for comfort. Your thoughts?

Shawn Beckert
Re: Too rich for me

mcindoefalls
 

Which, and whose, N&W boxcars?

Walt Lankenau

--- In STMFC@..., Larry Smith <wooddale@b...> wrote:
I just saw the notice for the new N&W boxcars. They are too
expensive
for me to even look at. At $45 for an unassemble kit has the resin
market gone too far. This is $10 more then Westerfield and
Sunshine. I
know what is involved with getting a resin kit to market and the
costs
involved because I'm working with a company right now and doing the
patterns for a new kit. Sorry guys but it is narrow gauge, which
has an
even more limited market then the N&W cars, and it won't be sold
for
anywhere near $45.

Sorry but this kit straps my budget so I won't be getting any of
them.

Larry Smith
Re: Stewart hoppers (was Bowser buys Stewart)

Scott Pitzer
 

I would rather see an AAR alternate standard offset twin come from P2K than from Atlas. But I guess P2K would have a bit more work to do to get there, starting from the War Emergency car.

FWIW, the C&OHS has settled for the Atlas car as-is, and tried to get as many as they could to re-sell. So Atlas might not see the need to go to any effort to make a correct C&O car. Worse things have happened, but it's put me into an "offset twin moratorium."

Scott Pitzer
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Gatwood, Elden -- Tt, Inc." <elden.gatwood@...>
Sent: Oct 21, 2004 9:10 AM
To: "'STMFC@...'" <STMFC@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Stewart hoppers (was Bowser buys Stewart)


Well put, Tim! I had in my hands last night several examples of cars (and
NICE ones at that) that have been recently completed (soon to be released)
that had VERY limited presence. As you said, at most a few buyers. And,
many of them not exactly what you would call big purchasers. I can't
understand the reluctance of someone like Atlas to re-cut a mold and give us
a car we would buy in large numbers. Particularly if they were to do
six-packs or such, with multiple road numbers. I know certain modelers that
have almost abandoned their chosen roads over this issue. It is probably
part of the reason why there are so few active B&LE, P&WV, Montour, and C&I
modelers.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: cf5250 [mailto:timboconnor@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stewart hoppers (was Bowser buys Stewart)


Does anyone want to speculate as to how long we will have to wait
for an offset alternative standard twin good for P&WV, Montour,
C&I, C&O, and others, in HO plastic? Do you think they are
gun-shy over the side sheet variations?

Elden Gatwood
It's an unfathomable mystery Elden. Why vendors can produce excellent
models of cars that existed for three owners or less, in tiny numbers,
and balk at producing models of cars that had many owners and existed
in the thousands, or tens of thousands, is a question with no answer.
I believe the reason men go bald is from a lifetime of head scratching
over questions such as these.

Tim O.













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Re: What the pics and papers show????

Tim O'Connor
 

Ah ha! Brock's fifth...or was it the sixth?...rule of frt cars established about 4 yrs ago or so. "In every merchandise frt train of over ten cars there shall be at least one NP box car." It is good to see that Pennsy is not in violation.
I know of at least one example NP freight train over 10 cars, where
the box cars are PRR, and there are no NP box cars at all...

Tim "Bursting Bubbles" O'Connor

P.S. RED SOX STILL RULE!!!!!!!
Re: Too rich for me

armprem
 

I How do you feel about the Milwaukee rib side cars?Too me,they are
on a par with Accurail and Bowser.Has anyone seen the "Dominion car yet?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <tculotta@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Too rich for me



On Oct 21, 2004, at 8:14 AM, Larry Smith wrote:

I just saw the notice for the new N&W boxcars. They are too expensive
for me to even look at. At $45 for an unassemble kit has the resin
market gone too far. This is $10 more then Westerfield and Sunshine.
I
know what is involved with getting a resin kit to market and the costs
involved because I'm working with a company right now and doing the
patterns for a new kit. Sorry guys but it is narrow gauge, which has
an
even more limited market then the N&W cars, and it won't be sold for
anywhere near $45.

Sorry but this kit straps my budget so I won't be getting any of them.
Larry:

No offense intended to Al & Martin, but with their kits, I always find
that I substitiute brake parts or sill steps or other things that make
the kit cost more than the list price anyway. This kit has all of
those things in it already. And, having seen the castings, they are
beautiful to boot. It's not really all that much more expensive all
things considered. Trucks are included with these, too.

Regards,
Ted Culotta




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Re: Kits for Sale at Naperville

Jim Barnes <atsfjim@...>
 

Hi Keith,

Are the SFRD R-19 thru 32 undecorated spoken for yet? If not I would like them. Thanks.
Jim Barnes

keith jordan <ckjordan@...> wrote:

To Those of You Who Still Build Kits,

I have the following InterMountain HO unbuilt kits for sale and would be
willing to bring them next week to Naperville. Let me know, offline, please.

PFE R-40-10 Car No. 42533 Single Herald Original Run 15.00
PFE R-40-10 Car No. 42474 Single Herald Original Run 15.00

PFE R-40-10 Car No. 42480 Single Herald Premium Line 20.00
PFE R-40-10 Car No. 42653 Single Herald Premium Line 20.00
PFE R-40-10 Car No. 42599 Single Herald Premium Line 20.00

SFRD RR-27 Car No. 34866 El Capitan/Curve Line Map 15.00
SFRD RR-27 Car No. 34721 Grand Canyon/Curve Line Map 15.00

PFE R-40-23 Undecorated 4 Kits Original Run 10.00 each

SFRD Rr-19/23/25/27/28/32 Undecorated 6 Kits Original Run 15.00 each

Again, contact me offline if you want 'em. See you in Naperville.

Keith Jordan





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Re: Stewart hoppers (was Bowser buys Stewart)

Gatwood, Elden -- Tt, Inc. <elden.gatwood@...>
 

Well put, Tim! I had in my hands last night several examples of cars (and
NICE ones at that) that have been recently completed (soon to be released)
that had VERY limited presence. As you said, at most a few buyers. And,
many of them not exactly what you would call big purchasers. I can't
understand the reluctance of someone like Atlas to re-cut a mold and give us
a car we would buy in large numbers. Particularly if they were to do
six-packs or such, with multiple road numbers. I know certain modelers that
have almost abandoned their chosen roads over this issue. It is probably
part of the reason why there are so few active B&LE, P&WV, Montour, and C&I
modelers.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: cf5250 [mailto:timboconnor@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stewart hoppers (was Bowser buys Stewart)


Does anyone want to speculate as to how long we will have to wait
for an offset alternative standard twin good for P&WV, Montour,
C&I, C&O, and others, in HO plastic? Do you think they are
gun-shy over the side sheet variations?

Elden Gatwood
It's an unfathomable mystery Elden. Why vendors can produce excellent
models of cars that existed for three owners or less, in tiny numbers,
and balk at producing models of cars that had many owners and existed
in the thousands, or tens of thousands, is a question with no answer.
I believe the reason men go bald is from a lifetime of head scratching
over questions such as these.

Tim O.
Re: What the pics and papers show????

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 10/21/2004 2:54:45 PM Central Standard Time,
mac@... writes:
I have no idea where Vermont potatoes came from.
I do, Vermont! IN the 1940s, Maine exported less than 1% of its production
of table and seed potatoes to Vermont.

Jerry Michels
post WWII UP box car roster

ed_mines
 

Did the UP have more than one common double sheathed box car or
smaller steel box car after WWII?

I am familiar with the double sheathed car with corrugated ends and
an end door ofered by Westerfield and the rebuilt steel car which
Ted profiled in MRC.

From a '43 freight car register (the one available from the NMRA) it
looks like there may have been additional cars in at least one of
these catagories.

I see UP have several groups of standard 10'IH box cars with
slightly different capacities. Did they vary from the standard cars
in any way?

Ed
Cal Scale (Bowser) AB brakes

ed_mines
 

Ted's comments about replacing brake components found in resin kits
hits home with me.

I like the old CalScale sets now offered Bowser or similar ones in
the Bowser GLA hopper kits.

Has anyone bought more than a couple of these sets directly from
Bowser at a discount? $3 is a little pricy.

Can someone identify the source of the plastic brake sets included
with the Sunshine tank car kits? They are pretty nice too. How about
a savings on them?

Finally the air tank casting in the Cal Scale/Bowser kit is a lot
larger than the one from Tichy.Are they both accurate or is one
oversized or undersized?

Ed
Re: What the pics and papers show????

Richard Hendrickson
 

I know of at least one example NP freight train over 10 cars, where
the box cars are PRR, and there are no NP box cars at all...

Tim "Bursting Bubbles" O'Connor

P.S. RED SOX STILL RULE!!!!!!!
Now, now, calm down, Tim. Take a tranquilizer and call us in the morning.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Re: Too rich for me

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Oct 21, 2004, at 8:14 AM, Larry Smith wrote:

I just saw the notice for the new N&W boxcars.  They are too expensive
for me to even look at.  At $45 for an unassemble kit has the resin
market gone too far. This is $10 more then Westerfield and Sunshine. 
I
know what is involved with getting a resin kit to market and the costs
involved because I'm working with a company right now and doing the
patterns for a new kit.  Sorry guys but it is narrow gauge, which has
an
even more limited market then the N&W cars, and it won't be sold for
anywhere near $45.

Sorry but this kit straps my budget so I won't be getting any of them.
Larry:

No offense intended to Al & Martin, but with their kits, I always find
that I substitiute brake parts or sill steps or other things that make
the kit cost more than the list price anyway. This kit has all of
those things in it already. And, having seen the castings, they are
beautiful to boot. It's not really all that much more expensive all
things considered. Trucks are included with these, too.

Regards,
Ted Culotta
Re: MILW rib-side undebody equipment layout

Richard Hendrickson
 

Apparently these cars had a unique underbody AB brake system setup
with all the major components located on one side. Does anyone have a
diagram for these cars to confirm this or can someone elaborate on the
placement of piping etc?

thanks in advance
Stefan
Duncan, BC Canada
My forthcoming Railmodel Journal article will include forth prototype and
model photos of the underbody (thanks to Ted Schnepf, who has a photo of a
car lying on its side, thanks to a blunder by a switching crew).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Too rich for me

Larry Smith
 

I just saw the notice for the new N&W boxcars. They are too expensive for me to even look at. At $45 for an unassemble kit has the resin market gone too far. This is $10 more then Westerfield and Sunshine. I know what is involved with getting a resin kit to market and the costs involved because I'm working with a company right now and doing the patterns for a new kit. Sorry guys but it is narrow gauge, which has an even more limited market then the N&W cars, and it won't be sold for anywhere near $45.

Sorry but this kit straps my budget so I won't be getting any of them.

Larry Smith
Re: MILW rib-side undebody equipment layout

Paul Gehrett
 

--- stefanelaine <stefanelaine@...> wrote:



Apparently these cars had a unique underbody AB
brake system setup
with all the major components located on one side.
Does anyone have a
diagram for these cars to confirm this or can
someone elaborate on the
placement of piping etc?
I've built a couple of the Sunshine Models kits. The
instructions/data sheet contains underframe
information. IIRC, you are correct about the major
components all being on the same side of the center
sill. I can scan it and e-mail it to you. I should
be able to get to it over the weekend.

Paul
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