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Re: Genesee Brewing Company Reefer

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

Another possibility is the paint scheme shown
was done for publicity and the actual cars in service did not
carry it.
I thought I did pretty good to find any photo; finding one in a real
consist will be a real challenge

Roger H

On Nov 8, 2004, at 1:25 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:


Roger Hinman wrote:
When I attended Richard Hendricson's talk on Billboard reefers at
Naperville, I believe it was stated the law stopped one from
advertising products that
weren't carried; in this case as long as beer was the product being
carried, it would not violate that criteria. Not fact, just an opinion
on what I think I heard.
What Richard said is that the cargo was ONE criterion for the ICC
advertising restrictions. There were others too, primarily the banning
of the provision by the lessor of free paint jobs for the lessee's
product, at no charge for the advertising value. Whether MDT was in
that game, I don't know; URTX and GARX had the biggest fleets of cars
prepared that way. And the permission for limited advertising was not
clear for a few years; in the mid to late 1930s everyone's scheme was
VERY simple. Thus I continue to doubt the timing of the supposed
Genesee beer scheme, but of course am open to specific proof.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Nov 8, 2004, at 5:13 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Off the top of my head, I'd say Equipco.

>Description : What handbrake is this?  IHB 10261  AAR '37 10 IH car 
part of NYC Lot 729-B
>You can access this file at the URL:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/AAR%201937%20-
%20IHB%20Boxcar%20-%20Hand%20brake.jpg
It looks like either the more unusual of the two Universal hand wheels
of the era (M2049) or a Ureco U-528 hand wheel. Almost impossible to
discern these hand wheels from behind and even harder without a clearer
photo.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Uploaded file - question

Brett Whelan
 

Hi Group,

I have just uploaded part of a picture that was in
Mont's article on IHB boxcars in MM Oct 03.

Has anybody got any ideas on what handbrake this could
be?

Thanks

Brett in OZ.

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Re: NYC Express Box Cars (Long)

John & Sue Bartolotto <jsbart@...>
 

Thanks Ben. Must have missed that info.

-----Original Message-----
From: benjaminfrank_hom [mailto:b.hom@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC Express Box Cars (Long)




John Bartolotto asked:
"What is the Sunshine part # and were can I purchase one?"

John, Andy already gave you the part number in his post - it's kit
#64.3. As Ted posted earlier, full information on this kit is at
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%
<http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%25>
20products/sunshine/rebuildsmain.html

Order directly from Sunshine Models at:
Sunshine Models
PO Box 4997
Springfield MO 65808-4997
NO E-MAIL

Add $4 shipping per five kits in the US. Kits are cast and boxed to
meet your order. Rates differ for shipping overseas (I can look up
the international rate after I get home from work this evening if
you need it.) Kits are cast to order. IT MAY REQUIRE 4 TO 8 WEEKS
TO FILL YOUR ORDER.


Ben Hom








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Re: NYC Express Box Cars (Long)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

John Bartolotto asked:
"What is the Sunshine part # and were can I purchase one?"

John, Andy already gave you the part number in his post - it's kit
#64.3. As Ted posted earlier, full information on this kit is at
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%
20products/sunshine/rebuildsmain.html

Order directly from Sunshine Models at:
Sunshine Models
PO Box 4997
Springfield MO 65808-4997
NO E-MAIL

Add $4 shipping per five kits in the US. Kits are cast and boxed to
meet your order. Rates differ for shipping overseas (I can look up
the international rate after I get home from work this evening if
you need it.) Kits are cast to order. IT MAY REQUIRE 4 TO 8 WEEKS
TO FILL YOUR ORDER.


Ben Hom


Re: NYC Express Box Cars (Long)

John & Sue Bartolotto <jsbart@...>
 

Andy,



What is the Sunshine part # and were can I purchase one?



John

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Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:45 AM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC Express Box Cars (Long)



Ron,

You are in luck. Sunshine makes this car, Kit #64.3.

Andy Cich






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Re: NYC Express Box Cars (Long)

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Nov 8, 2004, at 10:00 AM, Ron Boham wrote:

Thanks, Andy and Ted.  That simplifies things a lot.  I found the car
on Jim Haynes' master list on the STMFC web site, but not the address
for Sunshine.  I know from being on the list Martin has no web site,
one just sends a check or money order and waits for the kits to come. 
What is his address, and what does he charge for shipping?
Ron:

Try this address for more info:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/
rebuildsmain.html

It contains all of the info on ordering.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: NYC Express Box Cars (Long)

Ron Boham <spnut@...>
 

Thanks, Andy and Ted. That simplifies things a lot. I found the car on Jim Haynes' master list on the STMFC web site, but not the address for Sunshine. I know from being on the list Martin has no web site, one just sends a check or money order and waits for the kits to come. What is his address, and what does he charge for shipping?

Thanks again,

Ron Boham
Ralston, NE

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Cich
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:44 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC Express Box Cars (Long)


Ron,

You are in luck. Sunshine makes this car, Kit #64.3.


UP B-50-17s

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I have created a folder in the files section of the Photo site with the
title of "UP B-50-17s". Inside, you will find 4 photos of the two cars at
that location, as mentioned in my earlier post. I do have some detail shots
of the grabs, but did not post them in the interest of saving space.

I will eventually get around to posting all of these on
alt.binaries.pictures.rail, along with the other photos I shop last summer
along the UP and BNSF in Nebraska and UP in Wyoming.

These are the only photos that will be STMFC-compliant, however.
--
Brian Ehni


Re: : Extant freight cars

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Andy,

Additional WP/SN Mt. Vernon double-sheathed boxcars may be seen at Yountville in the Napa Valley (SN, in use as a store) and at the Western Railway Museum near Suisun City (SN). The California State Railway Museum in Sacramento has three ( 2 WP and 1 SN, IIRC), though they are not currently on display. A car in Santa Maria from at a local museum is destined for the Feather River Railroad Society in Portola. One is on private property in use as a shed near Diamond Springs (SN). There may be a few more still kicking around in private hands. For more information on these survivors, please visit my web site at http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/roster.html (soon to be updated), or for their history try http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/boxcar.html . Some notes on modeling can be found at http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/wp.html .

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Andy Carlson wrote:

For those who wish to see some of the ex SN (former
WP) DS boxcars, go to Niles canyon, or to Fillmore and
Western, both are in CA. The F&W (Ventura County) has
2, with both types of steel ends preserved, and other
than no lettering, both are in surprisingly good
shape.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Any one desiring a mid-res scan of a 12 panel D&RGW
"Cookie Box"with a reweigh date of 1958, contact me
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Re: : Extant freight cars

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

There are two B-50-17s in Kimball, NE. One is silver, the other is almost
pristine oxide red with yellow lettering. Built date on the oxide red one is
5-22, rebuilt 2-36, and the last reweigh is "NP 5-56", which I take to be
North Platte. I have pictures which I can put on the photo site tonight.
--
Brian Ehni

From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:46:05 -0800 (PST)
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] : Extant freight cars


For those who wish to see some of the ex SN (former
WP) DS boxcars, go to Niles canyon, or to Fillmore and
Western, both are in CA. The F&W (Ventura County) has
2, with both types of steel ends preserved, and other
than no lettering, both are in surprisingly good
shape.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Any one desiring a mid-res scan of a 12 panel D&RGW
"Cookie Box"with a reweigh date of 1958, contact me
off-list for your request. <midcentury@sbcglobal.net
--- Garth Groff <ggg9y@virginia.edu> wrote:


One of my friends at the FRSS has found an intact SN
boxcar that was
purposefully hidden by its owner to save it from
vandals and
undisciplined railfans. My friend is being very
tight about the location
for now, and hopes to secure it for the Portola
museum. I can't say I
blame either the owner or my friend.




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: Extant freight cars

Andy Carlson
 

For those who wish to see some of the ex SN (former
WP) DS boxcars, go to Niles canyon, or to Fillmore and
Western, both are in CA. The F&W (Ventura County) has
2, with both types of steel ends preserved, and other
than no lettering, both are in surprisingly good
shape.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Any one desiring a mid-res scan of a 12 panel D&RGW
"Cookie Box"with a reweigh date of 1958, contact me
off-list for your request. <midcentury@sbcglobal.net
--- Garth Groff <ggg9y@virginia.edu> wrote:


One of my friends at the FRSS has found an intact SN
boxcar that was
purposefully hidden by its owner to save it from
vandals and
undisciplined railfans. My friend is being very
tight about the location
for now, and hopes to secure it for the Portola
museum. I can't say I
blame either the owner or my friend.


Re: NYC Express Box Cars (Long)

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:26 PM, Ron Boham wrote:

I need some help on a starting point to build a couple of NYC express cars which were converted from USRA steel side rebuilds.
As Andy already indicated, Sunshine makes the kit. However, they were not from USRA box cars. They were rebuilds of '1916' double sheathed auto cars (Westerfield makes kits for these original cars.) They were renumbered from Lot 664-B and equipped with Symington high speed trucks. Lot 664-B was rebuilt into steel cars from the original auto cars in 1936-7 from cars in Lots 327-9, 352, 357-8, 361, 363-6.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: C&BT 1944 boxcars

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

Also beware that in later years Dick modified these car to have cast-on
ladders and grabs. Be sure you know what you are buying.

BTW Some time ago Dick Schweiger (SP?) was in very poor health. His
website is no long up. Does anyone know what has become of him. And does
anyone know what became of the PRR X29b and d models he was doing?

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Dermody [mailto:ddermody@rfdvt.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:36 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&BT 1944 boxcars




I have the opportunity to purchase many undecorated kits of these
cars. I realize I'll be replacing the ladders and grabs, but was
wondering what I could model with the basic car. With the newer BLT
cars as well as RC and IM am I better off to pass on these.

Are these kits models of 10'-4" cars?
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
Brian,

As the proud(?) owner of 40+ of these cars, I'd advise sticking with the
later and better IM and BL cars.

Two exceptions:

1. If your model is of a 12 panel side, C&BT is the only car available in a
10'6" car.

2. If your model is of a car that does not have overlapping side seams, the
C&BT is again the way to go.

Any C&BT kit will need the detail sprue(s), roofwalk, wheels and probably
trucks updated to compare with the IM and BL models. In addition, early runs
had a seam cap on the roof ribs that was way too tall (corrected on later
runs).

Course, if you can get these for a few dollars apiece, it might be worth it.

Dick



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Model Railroad Open House

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

In conjunction with the MER, NMRA Regional Convention in Hagerstown, MD next weekend, I will be participating in the layout tours for those attending the convention, having an open house of my model railroad on Sunday, November 14, from 1-5 p.m.

I am also extending an invitation to any list members who are not attending the convention, but who would like to see the layout.

I model N&W's Shenandoah Valley line between Front Royal and Waynesboro, VA, circa 1956, in HO scale.

Please contact me off list for directions.

Jim Brewer
jfbrewer@comcast.net


Re: : Extant freight cars

raildata@...
 

There must be 40 ex UP, C&S, and wood sheathed box car bodies with various
steel
ends in fields within 20 miles of Boulder. About three miles from me is a
feed storage made form three stock car bodies. Plus a few cabooses . I can
identify locations and all are pretty accessible if you inquire. I have sort of
given up on documenting or phtographing them.

Chuck Y
Boulder CO


Re: Extant freight cars

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Jim:

Good idea about asking permission before adding something to the list. I suggest that if such a list is published, that a warning about trespass be added as a header to every page. It can't hurt to harp on it, and if at least one person thinks twice, it is an effort well spent.

One of my friends at the FRSS has found an intact SN boxcar that was purposefully hidden by its owner to save it from vandals and undisciplined railfans. My friend is being very tight about the location for now, and hopes to secure it for the Portola museum. I can't say I blame either the owner or my friend.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Jim Gillmore wrote:


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Green" <lgreen@e...> wrote:

While I'd like to find, measure and photograph old freight cars,the ones on farms and industrial property are on private property and I'd be trespassing if I pursued my interests without the owner's permission. Publishing a list of such cars could cause SOME railfans to seek out these cars and trespass, thereby giving the rest of us railfans more bad press. We don't need it! In short, publishing a list of extant cars is not a good idea -- someone is sure to abuse the landowners privacy and generate problems for everone else.
However, If such a list IS published, I urge anyone to get the owner's permission before you "do your thing", or better yet, the publisher of the list should get permission from the land owner BEFORE the location of extant cars is published.
Jim Gillmore


Re: Genesee Brewing Company Reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Roger Hinman wrote:
When I attended Richard Hendricson's talk on Billboard reefers at
Naperville, I believe it was stated the law stopped one from
advertising products that
weren't carried; in this case as long as beer was the product being
carried, it would not violate that criteria. Not fact, just an opinion
on what I think I heard.
What Richard said is that the cargo was ONE criterion for the ICC advertising restrictions. There were others too, primarily the banning of the provision by the lessor of free paint jobs for the lessee's product, at no charge for the advertising value. Whether MDT was in that game, I don't know; URTX and GARX had the biggest fleets of cars prepared that way. And the permission for limited advertising was not clear for a few years; in the mid to late 1930s everyone's scheme was VERY simple. Thus I continue to doubt the timing of the supposed Genesee beer scheme, but of course am open to specific proof.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: NYC Express Box Cars (Long)

Andy Cich <ajc5150@...>
 

Ron,

You are in luck. Sunshine makes this car, Kit #64.3.

Andy Cich

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