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Re: M&STL Green

briankd.usf.net@...
 

Gene, like Tim O'Conner, I am also interested in the three orders of 1937 AAR 10' IH boxcars and would appreciate any info you could post on them. Thanks, Brian Dick



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Re: discontinued Sunshine cars (was M&StL green)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
I can hardly believe Martin would end production for such a
lame reason -- after all, he makes Murphy roofs in resin for
many other models. Why not these?
Alternatively, he could learn a few lessons from the real resin pros like Tom Madden or Jon Cagle and develop accurate parts. People like Jon would not be in business (in architectural models) if they could not make interchangeable, accurate parts.
OTOH, Martin does a lot of kits which we all enjoy. I personally don't begrudge him dropping whatever ones he finds a need to drop--though I may, of course, be disappointed at the same time.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Gem three-dome tank car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rich Townsend asked:
The mobil 3 dome tank discussion brought to mind the brass Gem 3-dome tank cars I see photos of from time to time. It's hard to tell from the photos, but it appears that these are just brass versions of the Athearn 3-dome cars (i.e. the same [over] size). Is that the case or are they the proper size? For that matter, are they prototypical of anything?
If they are duplicates of the Athearn 3-dome plastic model, they have no prototype that anyone has found in the last 30 years. Their PROPORTIONS are not too bad, so if you could put them in your clothes dryer and shrink them to an 8000-gallon tank size, they would not be too bad (don't forget to shrink the underframe too, but in length only). Let us know if you get this to work. <vbg>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


TOFC trailers

oliver
 

Another nice source are the trailers made by Great Western Passenger
details:
http://www.gwpcd.com/new_products/2003-03.html


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Tim O'Connor
 

Gee, Chet, it looks a lot like a B&O W-1... but of course they
were not aluminum.

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cef39us <cfrench@gallatinriver.net>


New file uploaded to STMFC

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Re: Sunshine Models TOFC Trailers

Bill Burge <bill_b_52402@...>
 

Nice looking models.We sure could use some of these in
1/48.Everything is either 1/43 or 1/50 and not very well done.
They would look good on the roads or parked at the freight
terminals/warehouses/team tracks more than as piggyback.

Have a good one.

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
wrote:
Jim Brewer wrote:

I see that Classic Metal Works has announced the
Fruehauf 32-foot Aerovan Trailer and IH R-190
Semi Tractor, supposedly available in December.
Wow, you're not kidding. Check these puppies out:

http://www.classicmetalworks.com/news.html

Looks like we'll finally have a decent steam-era
trailer for piggyback service - in HO and N!

Shawn Beckert


Re: TOFC Trailers

Tim O'Connor
 

Shawn, there have been some nice trailer models
available for a while...

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/don_mills/bullnose_daycab_rf.jpg
http://www.resinunlimited.com/ru304-01.htm

On-Trak offers resin 24', 28' and 40' trailers, and
Sparrows Point offered a nice PRR Truc-Train trailer.

Thankfully the CMW trailers will be PLASTIC -- if they
were die cast metal they wouldn't be much good for TOFC
service.

Jim Brewer wrote:

I see that Classic Metal Works has announced the
Fruehauf 32-foot Aerovan Trailer and IH R-190
Semi Tractor, supposedly available in December.
Wow, you're not kidding. Check these puppies out:

http://www.classicmetalworks.com/news.html

Looks like we'll finally have a decent steam-era
trailer for piggyback service - in HO and N!

Shawn Beckert


Re: use of Tichy tank car

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Please post a photo Jon

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Miller
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: use of Tichy tank car


I actually started this a few years ago. Got as far as the IM tank on
the Tichy underframe. Could post a picture if anyone is interested.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



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Re: CP Boxcar Colours/Intl. of Maine Division

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I'd be really interested in connecting with the folks you've alluded to Roger regarding CPR paint and paint "standards" (or "variability", as the case may be). The CPColours e-mail group has been looking to fill in some of the gaps for CPR paint colours, but knowledgeable insiders have been in short supply. My own sense of it is that the red used for stations is very similar to that used for freight cars - but that too has plenty of variability.

Rob Kirkham


Gem three-dome tank car

Richard Townsend
 

The mobil 3 dome tank discussion brought to mind the brass Gem 3-dome tank cars I see photos of from time to time. It's hard to tell from the photos, but it appears that these are just brass versions of the Athearn 3-dome cars (i.e. the same [over] size). Is that the case or are they the proper size? For that matter, are they prototypical of anything?

--
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


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Re: CN box car series 471000-477849

Gene Green <lgreen@...>
 

Thanks very much to Ben Hom, Marty McGuirk, Pierre Oliver, Ian
Cranstone, and Tim O'Connor for a very thorough and really quick
answer to my question about Canadian National box cars. You five
gentlement are an example of this discussion group at its best. All
of your replies have been printed out and are on my work bench for
reference.
Gene Green


Re: discontinued Sunshine cars (was M&StL green)

Tim O'Connor
 

Yikes!!!! The 32.x series included SP postwar 40 foot box cars!!

I can hardly believe Martin would end production for such a
lame reason -- after all, he makes Murphy roofs in resin for
many other models. Why not these?

SP modelers who want the B-50-24 Overnight cars, the B-50-27
and the B-50-28 (with 7 foot doors) might want to lobby Sunshine
to revive these models...

[ ... Regarding Sunshine kit 32.17 ... ]

I believe it is no longer available. It was one of a series of postwar 10'
high cars that Martin did. While attending Ed Hawkins clinic on these cars
at Naperville I looked through Martin's lastest list which I had just picked
up. They are no longer there. I went over to Martin's sales room and
inquired and he told that he gave up on these kits as they used RC square
panel styrene roofs and it was too difficult to consistently match the
lengths of the variable resin sides to the styrene roofs. I assume the same
applies to the postwar 40' auto boxes as they are no longer in the product
list and they used styrene roofs.

Bill Darnaby


Re: Mobilgas Three-Dome Tank Car numbers Needed.

Richard Hendrickson
 

Tom Houle wrote:

I have two vintage O scale Walthers Mobilgas three-dome tank cars.
All silver with bold black Mobilgas lettering and red flying horses.
Does anyone know the correct car number sequence?
Tom, this is a classic example of the old saying about the evil that men do
living long after them. So far as I have been able to determine, there was
only one car that ever bore that P/L scheme, which was applied only briefly
for some sort of static display. Apparently, neither that car nor any
others ever operated in revenue service with the P/L you describe. In
fact, I can find no record in the ORERs that the SOVX reporting marks were
ever actually issued to Socony-Vacuum of New York (other Mobil tank cars
were operated under the reporting marks of the company's midwestern
affiliates until the entire fleet was combined under SVX reporting marks in
the 1950s). Starting before WW II,however, Walthers cataloged the decal
sets and as a result I still get inquiries about the prototype cars several
times a year. In short, there was no correct car number sequence, since
the Walthers lettering was (at least from a modeler's point of view)
entirely bogus.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Request for photos - SP/T&NO stock cars S-40-4 and S-40-5

proto48er
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, A.T. Kott asked:
Does anyone know of another source for good photos (other than
those
in the SP Freight Cars book) for the SP S-40-4 and T&NO S-40-5
stock
cars?
Tony Thompson and Ted Culotta responded . . .

Thank you very much for your help! I have not unearthed a single
photo, other than previously published ones, for these cars!! A.T.
Kott


Re: Sunshine Models TOFC Trailers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Beckert, Shawn wrote:
Wow, you're not kidding. Check these puppies out:

http://www.classicmetalworks.com/news.html

Looks like we'll finally have a decent steam-era
trailer for piggyback service - in HO and N!
Not so fast, Shawn <g>. This Fruehauf 32-ft. trailer has a side door and other quite specific design details. The trailers have gotta be as good as the flat car they ride on!! if your road didn't have this particular trailer, it's no help.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Quad hopper ID

proto48er
 

Ted - Are these the WAB boxcars that Bob Farris and Cameron Scale
Models produced in urethane about 10 years ago? I think they did a
wood end car, a steel end car, and an automobile car - all in "O"
scale. Hope you make the steel end car again - my Cameron model is
crooked and will become a shed on a model farm! Actually, not too
expensive for a structure in "O" scale - think it was $35 when new!

At Noblesville, there are an automobile car and a steel end car
(couple of each) but no wood end car. Where did Farris' patternmaker
get his data for the wood end car?

I think the cars at Noblesville are for restoration/cannibalization.
I recall the museum wanted to restore one car of each type, and use
the other two cars as a supply for parts. Was up there in 2002.

Thanks! A.T.Kott



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ted Schnepf <railsunl@f...>"
<railsunl@f...> wrote:
... The Wabash SS auto
boxes were a find as I am building two urethane models of those
cars.

Ted


Re: Sunshine Models TOFC Trailers

Shawn Beckert
 

Jim Brewer wrote:

I see that Classic Metal Works has announced the
Fruehauf 32-foot Aerovan Trailer and IH R-190
Semi Tractor, supposedly available in December.
Wow, you're not kidding. Check these puppies out:

http://www.classicmetalworks.com/news.html

Looks like we'll finally have a decent steam-era
trailer for piggyback service - in HO and N!

Shawn Beckert


Re: Sunshine Models TOFC Trailers

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

While not Martins Mini-Metals has a nice trailer out. Not sure the era
but believe it's late '40s or early '50s.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: M&STL Green

Bill Darnaby
 

I believe it is no longer available. It was one of a series of postwar 10'
high cars that Martin did. While attending Ed Hawkins clinic on these cars
at Naperville I looked through Martin's lastest list which I had just picked
up. They are no longer there. I went over to Martin's sales room and
inquired and he told that he gave up on these kits as they used RC square
panel styrene roofs and it was too difficult to consistently match the
lengths of the variable resin sides to the styrene roofs. I assume the same
applies to the postwar 40' auto boxes as they are no longer in the product
list and they used styrene roofs.

Bill Darnaby



Tim:

What is the Sunshine kit number? Thanks

Paul C. Koehler

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timboconnor@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:13 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] M&STL Green


Marty McGuirk wrote

Does anyone out there have a match color they like for Minneapolis & St
Louis 1937 AAR green boxcars with the "Peoria Gateway" slanted
lettering?

Marty, as far as I have been able to figure out the only M&StL cars
painted
green were the 4000-5398 series built in 1952 -- this is available as a
kit
from Sunshine. I have not been able to find a good color photo of a new
car
-- I have seen models painted mostly a dark green, similar but lighter
than
C&NW green.

Many commercial models have been made using the 1937 car body, but like I
said I have never seen a picture of one in green. I'd love to know if any
of
them were actually painted green. By the late 1950's M&StL began
repainting
cars a bright red color!


Although, I'd swear I've seen pics of these cars in BCR -- did they
come in both colors, or would the BCR have been a repaint or different
group of cars?





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