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Re: F&C PS-0 ten rib end kit

Tim O'Connor
 

Ted, I thought NKP was the exception to the kit. The UP and CGW
cars clearly had square corner ends.

I was building this kit and was going to decorate it for the NKP.
However, the photo that I have of one of the NKP cars built in 1940
shows that they had round corner ends with W-section corner posts. The
F&C kit has square corner posts. Does anyone know if the PM or WLE
cars built in 1940 with 10 rib ends has square or W-section corner
posts on the ends? I am beginning to think that the kit may not have a
prototype, which is a rarity for resin.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


F&C PS-0 ten rib end kit

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

I was building this kit and was going to decorate it for the NKP. However, the photo that I have of one of the NKP cars built in 1940 shows that they had round corner ends with W-section corner posts. The F&C kit has square corner posts. Does anyone know if the PM or WLE cars built in 1940 with 10 rib ends has square or W-section corner posts on the ends? I am beginning to think that the kit may not have a prototype, which is a rarity for resin.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: More old photos

Tim O'Connor
 

One thing that I do see - if you use the links Tim sent, you get the
panoramic views on one page - which is nice, but one some of the views it
ruins the effect and the detail.
?????

Bob, it sounds like you need to get a real web browser... Mine can zoom
in or out on any photo image with a simple click on the picture.


Re: More old photos

armprem
 

Coal was sometimes delivered in canvas bags for small orders.Are we looking
at some of those bags rather than chunks of coal?Armand Premo;

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lodge" <cvfanbratt@yahoo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] More old photos



Tim forwarded some links of interest from the Utah site. My question about
the coal dealer (in the link below) - What customer would want a load of
coal the size of the stuff in the truck directly in front of the building?

Being that big, I can't see that it would burn cleanly. Would the coal be
any cheaper in such a large grade to make it cost effective for a client to
have a crusher?

Obviously this is of direct interest to those of us who will be shipping
coal in our scale empires......

Thanks,
Jeff Lodge
Brattleboro, VT

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Re: More old photos

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Well, it means we can use O scale coal! 8^)
--

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From: Jeff Lodge <cvfanbratt@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:09:32 -0800 (PST)
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] More old photos


Tim forwarded some links of interest from the Utah site. My question about
the coal dealer (in the link below) - What customer would want a load of coal
the size of the stuff in the truck directly in front of the building?

Being that big, I can't see that it would burn cleanly. Would the coal be any
cheaper in such a large grade to make it cost effective for a client to have a
crusher?

Obviously this is of direct interest to those of us who will be shipping coal
in our scale empires......

Thanks,
Jeff Lodge
Brattleboro, VT

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:
Citizen's Coal Company... (before)
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/4415182862002_14441228620023922
2000702816.jpg


Re: More old photos

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

I'm not sure, but I would think that it might go to a smaller dealer or to a large customer that does have means to crush it. Note in the piles in
the yard, there is more of that grade too. Heck, you put one of those
lumps of coal in some stoves and you have heat for one night easy!

One thing that I do see - if you use the links Tim sent, you get the
panoramic views on one page - which is nice, but one some of the views it
ruins the effect and the detail. Particularly of the Apex and Bingham
scenes, where having to scroll back and forth to trace the routes is half
the fun.

I have seen one model of a open pit, and after looking at the two examples,
I can see there being, in some cases, more operation in these mines and
complexes than on some layouts. And the nice thing is, there is no need to
excuse the use of multi-level tracks!

At 08:09 PM 11/21/2004, you wrote:

Tim forwarded some links of interest from the Utah site. My question
about the coal dealer (in the link below) - What customer would want a
load of coal the size of the stuff in the truck directly in front of the
building?

Being that big, I can't see that it would burn cleanly. Would the coal be
any cheaper in such a large grade to make it cost effective for a client
to have a crusher?

Obviously this is of direct interest to those of us who will be shipping
coal in our scale empires......

Thanks,
Jeff Lodge
Brattleboro, VT

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:
Citizen's Coal Company... (before)
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Re: More old photos

Charles Etheredge
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@o...> wrote:

If I weren't afraid of incurring Mike's wrath for being totally
off-topic,
I'd post a photo to give y'all a real identification
challenge...maybe a
Myers OTW or a Zlin 526.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Richard, how about my all-time favorite, the Staggerwing!


Re: More old photos

Jeff Lodge <cvfanbratt@...>
 

Tim forwarded some links of interest from the Utah site. My question about the coal dealer (in the link below) - What customer would want a load of coal the size of the stuff in the truck directly in front of the building?

Being that big, I can't see that it would burn cleanly. Would the coal be any cheaper in such a large grade to make it cost effective for a client to have a crusher?

Obviously this is of direct interest to those of us who will be shipping coal in our scale empires......

Thanks,
Jeff Lodge
Brattleboro, VT

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:
Citizen's Coal Company... (before)
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Early Walthers 8 raised panel 2 bay hopper.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I recently purchased a near-perfect assembled Walthers 34' HO hopper in its original box. This was produced c. 1937-39, and was made of thin lead castings mounted on wood blocks. the castings are neatly soldered together. The slope sheets seem to be made of Strathmore. It has 8 raised panels,and a vertical brake staff.

Does anyone have any idea as what the prototype might have been?

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, California


Re: More old photos

raildata@...
 

The coal is clearly "mine run", or not crushed and graded. I saw bituminous
coal like this dumped in front of people's houses in southern Ohio in the 60s.
Just takes a couple of whacks with and axe or hammper to break it up.

Anthracite is something much more difficult when it comes to breaking lumps.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO, but raised in Smokestack America


Re: tank car question

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Aubrey Wiley wrote:
Would anyone be able to steer me to information on when, why, where
and who handrail enclosed platforms were used/started on certain
tankers? I appreciate your time.
Aubrey, as Ed Kaminski points out in his book on AC&F tank cars, the buyer specified what they wanted on the cars they purchased. So the simple answer is, the owner chose platforms or no platforms. The more complex answer is that owners did so if they were concerned about safety and convenience of workers loading and unloading cars. As those operations were more complex with dangerous or otherwise troublesome cargoes, cars to carry such loads were more likely to have platforms.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tim's excellent Salt Lake City oil refinery photo

Richard Hendrickson
 

Chris Barkan writes:

This is a great photo for the tank-car-o-philes among us. It would be an
excellent candidate for Ted's photo of the month club, particularly if we
could
get Richard H. and others to try and ID the cars. Reporting marks are not
visible but perhaps builder, type and approximate year of construction?
Richard,
do you want to give it a shot, at least for the first track in the center
foreground?
Of the cars that are clear enough in the photo to identify, all are Union
Tank Line - no surprise, considering that UTL's fleet dominated the tank
car business at the time the photo was taken, the Standard Oil monopoly
having only recently been broken up. The smaller cars were 6.5K gal. class
X, most of the larger ones were early class X-3, and in the foreground
there was one 10K gal. four course AC&F Type 21, a design that UTL
purchased in the '20s, in addition to ordering large numbers of X-3s built
to their own design.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: More old photos

Spen Kellogg <spenkell@...>
 

Brian Paul Ehni wrote:

However, looking up the tail number indicates it's a C-54, but flying for
"Northeast".

And C-54s had OVAL windows: http://www.warbirdalley.com/c54.htm
Which were known in civilian life as DC-4s.

Regards, Spen Kellogg


Re: More old photos

Richard Hendrickson
 

Tim O'Connor's

I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.jpg

unleashed a torrent of speculation from underage listmembers who were
presumably in diapers at the time. It's a Douglas DC-4, guys. Sheesh!

If I weren't afraid of incurring Mike's wrath for being totally off-topic,
I'd post a photo to give y'all a real identification challenge...maybe a
Myers OTW or a Zlin 526.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


CGTX tank cars

Charles Dean
 

Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:40:00 -0000
From: "prrk41361" <prrk41361@yahoo.com>
Subject: CGTX tank cars


Were any of the CGTX tankcars in the 1001-1100 ACF Type 27's. If so
how usual was it to see CGTX cars in the US in the mid-late 1950's

Thanks
Brian carlson.

Brian,

I can only contribute that the CGTX reporting marks did not exist on tank cars in 1932. This does not mean that the cars you question did not exist in the 50s.

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Kentucky


Re: More old photos

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

However, looking up the tail number indicates it's a C-54, but flying for
"Northeast".

And C-54s had OVAL windows: http://www.warbirdalley.com/c54.htm
--

Brian Ehni

From: Roger Miener <Roger.Miener@worldnet.att.net>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:31:02 -0800
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] More old photos


Tim O'Connor says ...

I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.j
pg

Hi Tim,

Think Convair ... That is my first guess ... DC-3s were tail draggers
and the animal in question certainly ain't a tail dragger. Convairs
were tricycles. They had a nose wheel.

Oops, let's think about this again. Maybe it is a DC-bigger than 3 -
everything from Douglas after the three had a nose wheel.

So does that make it a DC-4? I don't know. It is obvious that the
airplane in the photo has four engines (I think that Convairs of the
era only had two engines) and this dude has got a nose wheel. Well,
DC-4, DC-6 ??? Pretty sure it ain't a DC-7.

Roger Miener
at Tacoma WA





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Re: More old photos

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I don't think it's a Douglas, now. After Googleing the different DC planes
(4, 6, 7), I notice all photos show SQUARE windows, while the craft in
question has OVAL.

To get back to steam era cars..... Oh, I can't make any stretch to get this
back on topic!!!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Roger Miener <Roger.Miener@worldnet.att.net>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:31:02 -0800
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] More old photos


Tim O'Connor says ...

I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.j
pg

Hi Tim,

Think Convair ... That is my first guess ... DC-3s were tail draggers
and the animal in question certainly ain't a tail dragger. Convairs
were tricycles. They had a nose wheel.

Oops, let's think about this again. Maybe it is a DC-bigger than 3 -
everything from Douglas after the three had a nose wheel.

So does that make it a DC-4? I don't know. It is obvious that the
airplane in the photo has four engines (I think that Convairs of the
era only had two engines) and this dude has got a nose wheel. Well,
DC-4, DC-6 ??? Pretty sure it ain't a DC-7.

Roger Miener
at Tacoma WA


Re: More old photos

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

It's not a DC-3 for several reasons: 4 motors instead of 2, not a tail
dragger being the most obvious. I believe it's a DC-7.
--

Brian Ehni


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:40:18 -0500
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] More old photos


I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?
<http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_3922200070057
0.jpg>

Tim O.


Re: More old photos

Scott Pitzer
 

It's a DC-4 (too short to be a DC-6.)

This photo is more proof that all the COOL field trips happened before I was in school!

Now quit talking about airplanes!

Scott Pitzer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Old Sourdough <pmeaton@gci.net>
Sent: Nov 20, 2004 11:13 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] More old photos


At 10:31 PM 11/20/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor says ...

I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.jpg

Hi Tim,

Think Convair ... That is my first guess ... DC-3s were tail draggers
and the animal in question certainly ain't a tail dragger. Convairs
were tricycles. They had a nose wheel.

Oops, let's think about this again. Maybe it is a DC-bigger than 3 -
everything from Douglas after the three had a nose wheel.

So does that make it a DC-4? I don't know. It is obvious that the
airplane in the photo has four engines (I think that Convairs of the
era only had two engines) and this dude has got a nose wheel. Well,
DC-4, DC-6 ??? Pretty sure it ain't a DC-7.

Roger Miener
at Tacoma WA
===================================
Roger,

The Convair prop driven planes have distinctive vertical tail
surfaces. Note a recent example at:

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=169

You are correct that the plane is ether a DC-4 or a DC-6, although I hope
that the pictured aircraft is a DC-4, because it is at least of the correct
time frame for the steam era.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/113419/L/

http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dc6.htm

Even though some were used exclusively in cargo service, I doubt that, the
correct era notwithstanding, they could be considered freight cars.

Paul Eaton


The Old Sourdough
Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska








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Tim's excellent Salt Lake City oil refinery photo

CBarkan@...
 

This is a great photo for the tank-car-o-philes among us. It would be an
excellent candidate for Ted's photo of the month club, particularly if we could
get Richard H. and others to try and ID the cars. Reporting marks are not
visible but perhaps builder, type and approximate year of construction? Richard,
do you want to give it a shot, at least for the first track in the center
foreground?

Chris

In a message dated 11/20/04 11:42:41 PM, timboconnor@comcast.net writes:

<< Oil refinery... (north of Salt Lake City)
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