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Re: ERDX again

Brian Carlson
 

Bud, he told me at Berea that he wasn't making much in Buffalo NY. Also did I show you the ERDX photo I have, or is it the same one you have.

Brian Carlson

BlackDiamondRR@... wrote:
Ron,
Thanks for finding the ERDX car photo. Would it be too much trouble to
get a dupe made from it? I'm in the process of building one in S scale and
have one 8 x 10 b&w photo purchased from Bob's photos that is a help but it
doesn't have the round herald to the right. Please excuse the post 1960 info, I'm
inclined to believe these ran in the 50's.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that Bob's Photos has been missing from
any recent train shows or is just in my area? (western NY state) He usually is
at the Syracuse Train Fair at the State Fairgrounds and the local show but
missed him at both.
Bud
Rindfleisch


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Re: ERDX again

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

He went to Gaithersburg instead of Syracuse and had another conflict. The NY shows weren't doing much for him.

At 02:22 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:

Ron,
Thanks for finding the ERDX car photo. Would it be too much trouble to
get a dupe made from it? I'm in the process of building one in S scale and
have one 8 x 10 b&w photo purchased from Bob's photos that is a help but it
doesn't have the round herald to the right. Please excuse the post 1960 info, I'm
inclined to believe these ran in the 50's.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that Bob's Photos has been missing from
any recent train shows or is just in my area? (western NY state) He usually is
at the Syracuse Train Fair at the State Fairgrounds and the local show but
missed him at both.
Bud
Rindfleisch


Re: ACF hi-walkway tank cars

Pete Brown &#92;(YahooGroups&#92;) <YahooLists@...>
 

Thanks for posting these. I really like that 3-tank car. I've never seen
anything like that before.



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From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timboconnor@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:00 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] ACF hi-walkway tank cars



Lange Soap, 1911
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/lsc37asw.jpg
Vera Chemical, 1911
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/vctx108asw.jpg
LGL Co, no date
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/lglc1asw.jpg
C&NW, no date
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/cnw6009asw.jpg
C&NW, 1912
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/cnw6421asw.jpg


Other vintage tank cars, but with low walkways

StLB&M, 1914
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/slbm20041asw.jpg
L&A, 1915
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/la8000asw.jpg
UTLX, 1915 -- very unusual!
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/utlx13504asw.jpg
Cuban Molasses, 1915
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/cmcx143asw.jpg
Gas Corp, 1916
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/gasx4asw.jpg
Long Island RR, 1916
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/li801asw.jpg
SP, 1916
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/sp49220bsw.jpg
GH&SA, 1917
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/ghsa17765asw.jpg
H&TC, 1917
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/htc17891asw.jpg
National Refining, 1917
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/ptlx7144asw.jpg
Taylor Lowenstein, no date
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/glcx3asw.jpg


ACF hi-walkway tank cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Re: M&StL green

Paul Lyons
 

Marty, Can you give us the Intermountain kit numbers for both the green and red cars so we can clearly order them from are friendly hobby shop.
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel


Re: ERDX again

BlackDiamondRR@...
 

Ron,
Thanks for finding the ERDX car photo. Would it be too much trouble to
get a dupe made from it? I'm in the process of building one in S scale and
have one 8 x 10 b&w photo purchased from Bob's photos that is a help but it
doesn't have the round herald to the right. Please excuse the post 1960 info, I'm
inclined to believe these ran in the 50's.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that Bob's Photos has been missing from
any recent train shows or is just in my area? (western NY state) He usually is
at the Syracuse Train Fair at the State Fairgrounds and the local show but
missed him at both.
Bud
Rindfleisch


Re: F&C PS-0 ten rib end kit

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Nov 23, 2004, at 6:36 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:

The photo is in the STMFPH group (I couldn't add it to the files of 
STMFC as they are full) at:
http://f6.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/

YEKjQUFus0QFYJYQh4SGakO9dXe8MdjaC0x1i78jqcsWVFsWroBGmZERIpHzHrUZ_ozKB8L
m
Q8rMQGNla4VJv8sgkUgW/round-corner-carbuilders-end.jpg
This link doesn't work. Go to the Files section of STMFPH and the name
of the file is round-corner-carbuilders-end.jpg.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
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Re: F&C PS-0 ten rib end kit

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Nov 22, 2004, at 9:11 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:


OK, it seems that the round or square corner designation for PS-0's is slightly different than on AAR 1937 dreadnaught end. For AAR 1937 ends the round vs. square is the actual shape of the corner of the end. However, for the PS-0 cars the difference between the round and square ends is whether or not the end ribs wrap around the ends.

Am I correct in this line of thinking? Can someone point me to a photo of a square end PS-0.
Brian:

No, it is the same concept as in Dreadnaught ends. I have uploaded a composite of the NKP PS-0 round corner end and one from a TC 1937 AAR box car. Both have the same round corner and I have to assume that like the TC box car, the PS-0 also has W-section corner posts since they were stronger. By the way, these ends were called Carbuilders' ends in the PM diagram. This term was used by the ARA and AAR to describe alternate permissible components that could be used in construction of standard designs.

The photo is in the STMFPH group (I couldn't add it to the files of STMFC as they are full) at:
http://f6.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/ YEKjQUFus0QFYJYQh4SGakO9dXe8MdjaC0x1i78jqcsWVFsWroBGmZERIpHzHrUZ_ozKB8Lm Q8rMQGNla4VJv8sgkUgW/round-corner-carbuilders-end.jpg

Note that this link wraps and needs to be cut and pasted into your browser.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: F&C PS-0 ten rib end kit

Brian Carlson
 

OK, it seems that the round or square corner designation for PS-0's is slightly different than on AAR 1937 dreadnaught end. For AAR 1937 ends the round vs. square is the actual shape of the corner of the end. However, for the PS-0 cars the difference between the round and square ends is whether or not the end ribs wrap around the ends.

Am I correct in this line of thinking? Can someone point me to a photo of a square end PS-0.
Brian Carlson
Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:
On Nov 22, 2004, at 8:11 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Ted Culotta asked:
"What I was asking is whether the ten corrugation end cars built in
1940,
specifically the PM and WLE, had square or round corner ends. It
appears
based upon Brian Carlson's info that the WLE has also had round
corner ends,
making it unlikely
that the PM would have had square corner ends."

I checked Million/Paton's _Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars_ -
there's a
photo of PM 84000 on page 121, clearly showing square corner ends.
I have now seen photos of an NKP (20177 - Jay Williams), WLE (26016 -
Bob's) and the one referenced by Ben above. They are all round corners
and the indicator of the round corners is that the tapers of the
corrugations extend around the corners on the round corners (as on
these 1940 built NKP, WLE and PM cars) while they terminate before the
corner on square corner ends. The NKP photo really illustrates this
extremely well. They are the same type of end, save riveting vs.
welding to join the two panels, as used on the WLE and TC 1937 AAR box
cars built in 1941.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


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Re: F&C PS-0 ten rib end kit

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Nov 22, 2004, at 8:11 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Ted Culotta asked:
"What I was asking is whether the ten corrugation end cars built in
1940,
specifically the PM and WLE, had square or round corner ends.  It
appears
based upon Brian Carlson's info that the WLE has also had round corner ends,
making it unlikely
that the PM would have had square corner ends."

I checked Million/Paton's _Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars_ -
there's a
photo of PM 84000 on page 121, clearly showing square corner ends.
I have now seen photos of an NKP (20177 - Jay Williams), WLE (26016 -
Bob's) and the one referenced by Ben above. They are all round corners
and the indicator of the round corners is that the tapers of the
corrugations extend around the corners on the round corners (as on
these 1940 built NKP, WLE and PM cars) while they terminate before the
corner on square corner ends. The NKP photo really illustrates this
extremely well. They are the same type of end, save riveting vs.
welding to join the two panels, as used on the WLE and TC 1937 AAR box
cars built in 1941.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: F&C PS-0 ten rib end kit

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ted Culotta asked:
"What I was asking is whether the ten corrugation end cars built in 1940,
specifically the PM and WLE, had square or round corner ends. It appears
based upon Brian Carlson's info that the WLE has also had round corner ends,
making it unlikely
that the PM would have had square corner ends."

I checked Million/Paton's _Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars_ - there's a
photo of PM 84000 on page 121, clearly showing square corner ends.


Ben Hom


Re: F&C PS-0 ten rib end kit

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Brian Carlson asked:
"BTW I Was wondering, who coined the term PS-0. I assume it was coined by
modelers/historians similar to phases or diesels."

It was coined by John Nehrich c. 1987, who reasoned that since the pre-war
Pullman cars pre-dated the PS-1, "PS-Zero" would be a catchy term to
describe these cars.


Ben Hom


Re: F&C PS-0 ten rib end kit

Tim O'Connor
 

I myself blame John Nehrich :o) but I'm not sure if that is fair.

BTW I Was wondering, who coined the term PS-0. I assume it was coined by modelers/historians similar to phases or diesels.

Brian carlson


Re: F&C PS-0 ten rib end kit

Brian Carlson
 

BTW I Was wondering, who coined the term PS-0. I assume it was coined by modelers/historians similar to phases or diesels.

Brian carlson

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
Ted Culotta writes:

I was building this kit and was going to decorate it for the NKP.
However, the photo that I have of one of the NKP cars built in 1940
shows that they had round corner ends with W-section corner posts. The
F&C kit has square corner posts. Does anyone know if the PM or WLE
cars built in 1940 with 10 rib ends has square or W-section corner
posts on the ends?
I have two photos of WLE 26000 series cars showing square cornered ten rib
ends.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520



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Re: ERDX Refreigator cars

Brian Carlson
 

Ron, can you more it to the files section, it should be bigger.
Brian Carlson

rxensen <rxensen@...> wrote:

Some time ago there was interest in ERDX cars.
I found my slide taken June 1964 near Carlisle PA.
I have posted it in the photo section under ERDX 10031.
Ron Christensen




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Re: Quad hopper ID

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Montford Switzer" <ZOE@I...> wrote:
Tony, David and list:

The one located at the stone quarry between Monon and Francesville,
IN, with the bogus MONON lettering may or may not be of steel
construction.
That one bares closer inspection.

Mont Switzer
Mont and others,

I have inspected the one at the quarry in Indiana and it is the
aluminum version of these cars. It is very obvious upon examining the
cracks in the body bolsters.

Bob Witt


Re: ERDX Refreigator cars

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I just love the photo section. That thing looks like half Z scale!

Sigh.
--

Brian Ehni

From: rxensen <rxensen@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:05:22 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] ERDX Refreigator cars



Some time ago there was interest in ERDX cars.
I found my slide taken June 1964 near Carlisle PA.
I have posted it in the photo section under ERDX 10031.
Ron Christensen


Re: N&W stock cars

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

N&W 33000-33249, Class SK:
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2780.jpeg
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2867.jpeg
These show class SK after they were rebuilt with Z-bar sides and
renumbered in the early 1950s.

N&W 29000-29749 was also Class SK, but these photos show a "missing"
diagonal to the left of the door.
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2777.jpeg
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2778.jpeg
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2779.jpeg
These show class SK as converted from class BL 1-1/2 door box cars in
the mid and late 1930s. The "missing" diagonal is where the half door was
originally located. The solid door on 29000 was carried over from the BL,
but was quickly replaced with a slatted door.

interior view:
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2774.jpeg
BL:
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS3273.JPG

David Thompson


Re: N&W stock cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 


ERDX Refreigator cars

ron christensen
 

Some time ago there was interest in ERDX cars.
I found my slide taken June 1964 near Carlisle PA.
I have posted it in the photo section under ERDX 10031.
Ron Christensen

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