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Paelside Hopper

Justin Kahn
 

Dear Denny
My recollection from the discussion when I asked about other prototypes for my RailCraft 34' panelside twins (almost as old as your Walthers, but much nicer) was that only Wabash had 34'; all other panelside twins were 30', most of them rebuilds of older twins (especially USRA cars). I wish I had better news, but I was not happy to hear it myself.
I shall not strip and reletter the D&H I've already done, but I'm stuck with two Wabash already, and I can't promise the fourth will not end up non-Wabash. If that costs me list membership, so be it.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks/GTT

Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:10:17 -0800
Subject: Early Walthers 8 raised panel 2 bay hopper.

I recently purchased a near-perfect assembled Walthers 34' HO hopper
in its original box. This was produced c. 1937-39, and was made of
thin lead castings mounted on wood blocks. the castings are neatly
soldered together. The slope sheets seem to be made of Strathmore. It
has 8 raised panels,and a vertical brake staff.

Does anyone have any idea as what the prototype might have been?
-
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, California
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Re: More photos

Spen Kellogg <spenkell@...>
 

Howard R Garner wrote:




Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:56:03 -0600
From: Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
Subject: More photos

I'm sure this is old news, but there are some interesting photos in here...
http://content.lib.washington.edu/pickettweb/index.html

On the second page of GN photos, there are some nice GN truss rod box cars...
The next page has some FGE "boxcars"
other photos have some nice cars in there too - if you like GN electrics
(and steam) a nice site...





Any idea of whose reefer has the large billboard lettering on this photo

Pickett
<http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/pquery.exe?CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOFIELD1=negati&CISOBOX1=Pickett&CISORESTMP=/search-templates/pickett-results.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/search-templates/pickett-view.html&CISOROWS=2&CISOCOLS=3>
4909
<http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/pquery.exe?CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOFIELD1=negati&CISOBOX1=4909&CISORESTMP=/search-templates/pickett-results.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/search-templates/pickett-view.html&CISOROWS=2&CISOCOLS=3>


This was on the same thumbnail page as the FGE 'boxcars'

Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer????

Regards, Spen Kellogg


Re: More photos

earlyrail
 

Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:56:03 -0600
From: Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
Subject: More photos

I'm sure this is old news, but there are some interesting photos in here...
http://content.lib.washington.edu/pickettweb/index.html

On the second page of GN photos, there are some nice GN truss rod box cars...
The next page has some FGE "boxcars"
other photos have some nice cars in there too - if you like GN electrics (and steam) a nice site...

Any idea of whose reefer has the large billboard lettering on this photo

Pickett <http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/pquery.exe?CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOFIELD1=negati&CISOBOX1=Pickett&CISORESTMP=/search-templates/pickett-results.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/search-templates/pickett-view.html&CISOROWS=2&CISOCOLS=3> 4909 <http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/pquery.exe?CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOFIELD1=negati&CISOBOX1=4909&CISORESTMP=/search-templates/pickett-results.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/search-templates/pickett-view.html&CISOROWS=2&CISOCOLS=3>


This was on the same thumbnail page as the FGE 'boxcars'

Howard


Re: Trix / Marklin Tankcars

Clyde Williams <billdgoat@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@s...> wrote:
OK - I understand the bulky details etc aren't pretty, but
supposing one went over this model replacing parts, is the basic
frame and tank/dome correct/tolerable? And for what era (1947???)

Rob Kirkham
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Trix / Marklin Tankcars



Chwwwoock, ptoooey!

For minute there I thought maybe AHM had come back to life... but
that's being unfair to AHM.


>Looks like the Trix / Marklin tankcars are finaly available,
they
>have appeared on ebay in Germany.
>
>These are the only shots I have found so far of the actual models
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3765027561
>
>Ian Clasper



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As I recall, using Richard's article, I determined that I could use
one of those cars on my 1943 layout, another on my friends 1949
layout and would be unable to use the third since it was a later P/L
scheme. Unfortunately, Trix only wants to sell them in a set of
three, so I will pass.
Bill Williams


Re: Trix / Marklin Tankcars

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

What did you expect, this is Marklin after all

Ian Clasper

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:

Chwwwoock, ptoooey!

For minute there I thought maybe AHM had come back to life... but
that's being unfair to AHM.


Looks like the Trix / Marklin tankcars are finaly available, they
have appeared on ebay in Germany.

These are the only shots I have found so far of the actual models

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3765027561

Ian Clasper


Re: Trix / Marklin Tankcars

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

At 40 bucks a pop (based on 3 car set selling on ebay for 90 euro,
converted to dollars at $1.3/Euro) , I think you will be a little
reluctant to buy these too kitbash.

Ian Clasper


--- In STMFC@..., Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@s...> wrote:
OK - I understand the bulky details etc aren't pretty, but
supposing one went over this model replacing parts, is the basic
frame and tank/dome correct/tolerable? And for what era (1947???)

Rob Kirkham
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Trix / Marklin Tankcars



Chwwwoock, ptoooey!

For minute there I thought maybe AHM had come back to life... but
that's being unfair to AHM.


>Looks like the Trix / Marklin tankcars are finaly available,
they
>have appeared on ebay in Germany.
>
>These are the only shots I have found so far of the actual models
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3765027561
>
>Ian Clasper



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Re: toolmaker's dye

Schuyler Larrabee
 


Sharpies would be worse though, they are fairly
permanent.
Much less of a problem for those who prime.

Jim Eckman
On a sanded surface, maybe so, but on a glossy
surface, alcohol takes it OFF.

SGL


Re: Trix / Marklin Tankcars

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

OK - I understand the bulky details etc aren't pretty, but supposing one went over this model replacing parts, is the basic frame and tank/dome correct/tolerable? And for what era (1947???)

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Trix / Marklin Tankcars



Chwwwoock, ptoooey!

For minute there I thought maybe AHM had come back to life... but
that's being unfair to AHM.


>Looks like the Trix / Marklin tankcars are finaly available, they
>have appeared on ebay in Germany.
>
>These are the only shots I have found so far of the actual models
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3765027561
>
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Re: toolmaker's dye

James Eckman
 

You might be able to remove the pencil marks with alcohol as well. It's a trick that works with wood, so it might work with plastic.

Jim Eckman
First sorry for quoting the whole list, I was away from home and using the lame net mail interface.

I tried the pencil with alchohol trick, it did not work on styrene, there was still a pale grey line left behind. This may be a problem for those like me who distress our styrene ahead of time and then don't prime it. I use thin coats of hand brushed acrylics and it telegraphs color changes from the substrate for at least 3 layers. I'm always hesitant to prime models, too much chance of filling in fine details.

Sharpies would be worse though, they are fairly permanent. Much less of a problem for those who prime.

Jim Eckman


Re: Trix / Marklin Tankcars

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Nov 26, 2004, at 2:11 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Chwwwoock, ptoooey!

For minute there I thought maybe AHM had come back to life... but
that's being unfair to AHM.


>Looks like the Trix / Marklin tankcars are finaly available, they
>have appeared on ebay in Germany.
>
>These are the only shots I have found so far of the actual models
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3765027561
I guess this clears up that question of whether that "photo" of the model in RMJ was an actual model or a Photoshopped prototype photo. Photoshop wins! I will point out that Richard Hendrickson has already absolved himself of all credit for that Photoshopped photo.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Trix / Marklin Tankcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Chwwwoock, ptoooey!

For minute there I thought maybe AHM had come back to life... but
that's being unfair to AHM.

Looks like the Trix / Marklin tankcars are finaly available, they
have appeared on ebay in Germany.

These are the only shots I have found so far of the actual models

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3765027561

Ian Clasper


Trix / Marklin Tankcars

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

Hi Guys

Looks like the Trix / Marklin tankcars are finaly available, they
have appeared on ebay in Germany.

These are the only shots I have found so far of the actual models

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3765027561

Ian Clasper


Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Wouldn't you know that I had occasion to go to
Staples right after I posted that and saw the
widebody versions there . . .

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: buchwaldfam
[mailto:buchwaldfam@...]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:10 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and
styrene



As far as covering large areas, try a Ben
Franklin or
other craft store. I've seen (very)wide tipped
Sharpies there
recently. I had to laugh at that one since the
Sharpies are
really named for their fine point!

Phil Buchwald



--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler
Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:
I am surprised that nobody's suggested Sharpie
markers
instead of the
dye. Might be a bit hard to apply to a large
area, but your parts
aren't going to be that big, are they?
Sharpie comes off
easily with
rubbing alcohol. I have used this myself.

SGL





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Re: Warwell flat cars

pgrace
 

Ted,

According to the National Railway Museum in York, Warwell flats were of
British Manufacture,
they are not aware of any imports of that type from the USA.


Patrick Grace

----- Original Message -----
From: "PGrace" <pgrace@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Not if you are the government and own the railroad, the worst case I know
of
in the
UK was some pre WWI MOW vehicles in use in 1984!

Patrick Grace


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Paul Ehni" <behni@...>
To: "STMFC List" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Guess the 40 year rule doesn't apply over there!
--

Brian Ehni


From: Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:08:09 -0600
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Are you referring to these:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/wagons/801-900/moda95506.jpg

At 02:59 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote:

Ted,

Have you tried asking the National Railway Museum at York?

I will ask at my local club tommrow as someone there may know....

Patrick Grace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <tculotta@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Does anyone know if the Warwell well flats used in Europe during WW2
to
carry tanks were built in North America?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
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Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

Ted

I have found the best way to mark styrene sheet is to first remove
the gloss surface with 800 or 1200 grit paper. The styrene can be
drawn on like paper using a pencil. Errors can also be erased using a
standard eraser, try doing that with engineer's blue !

Ian Clasper



--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@s...> wrote:
Has anyone tried using toolmaker's blue dye on styrene? I am
wondering
if:

-- it attacks styrene?
-- can easily be removed once the work is done?
-- or if it cannot be removed, will it react with RTV?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@s...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


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Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene

buchwaldfam <buchwaldfam@...>
 

As far as covering large areas, try a Ben Franklin or other
craft store. I've seen (very)wide tipped Sharpies there recently. I
had to laugh at that one since the Sharpies are really named for their
fine point!

Phil Buchwald



--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:
I am surprised that nobody's suggested Sharpie
markers instead of the dye. Might be a bit hard
to apply to a large area, but your parts aren't
going to be that big, are they? Sharpie comes off
easily with rubbing alcohol. I have used this
myself.

SGL


More photos

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

I'm sure this is old news, but there are some interesting photos in here...
http://content.lib.washington.edu/pickettweb/index.html

On the second page of GN photos, there are some nice GN truss rod box cars...
The next page has some FGE "boxcars"
other photos have some nice cars in there too - if you like GN electrics (and steam) a nice site...


Re: Warwell flat cars

pgrace
 

Not if you are the government and own the railroad, the worst case I know of
in the
UK was some pre WWI MOW vehicles in use in 1984!

Patrick Grace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Paul Ehni" <behni@...>
To: "STMFC List" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Guess the 40 year rule doesn't apply over there!
--

Brian Ehni


From: Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:08:09 -0600
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Are you referring to these:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/wagons/801-900/moda95506.jpg

At 02:59 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote:

Ted,

Have you tried asking the National Railway Museum at York?

I will ask at my local club tommrow as someone there may know....

Patrick Grace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <tculotta@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Does anyone know if the Warwell well flats used in Europe during WW2
to
carry tanks were built in North America?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912





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Re: toolmaker's dye

James Eckman
 

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>

Ted, when you figure it out let us know! :o) I have always used soft lead pencil on styrene, but not for
masters. The lead can be erased about 98% with a white plastic eraser.
You might be able to remove the pencil marks with alcohol as well. It's a trick that works with wood, so it might work with plastic.

Jim Eckman




There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. New file uploaded to STMFC
From: STMFC
2. Re: New file uploaded to STMFC
From: Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
3. Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene
From: Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
4. Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene
From: "Bill Burge" <bill_b_52402@...>
5. Boxcar Corner Posts
From: "Bill Burge" <bill_b_52402@...>
6. Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene
From: "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...>
7. B&O Wagon Top Box Cars: Oh, now I get it!
From: Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...>
8. RE: ID for this tank car?
From: "Dave Nelson" <muskoka@...>
9. RE: ID for this tank car?
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
10. RE: ID for this tank car?
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
11. New file uploaded to STMFC
From: STMFC
12. Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene
From: "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...>
13. re: toolmaker's dye
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
14. Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene
From: "skibbs4" <mmrace4@...>
15. Re: New file uploaded to STMFC
From: "skibbs4" <mmrace4@...>
16. RE: ID for this tank car?
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
17. RE: ID for this tank car?
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
18. Re: New file uploaded to STMFC
From: "rxensen" <rxensen@...>
19. Re: Warwell flat cars
From: "PGrace" <pgrace@...>
20. Re: New file uploaded to STMFC
From: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...>
21. Re: Warwell flat cars
From: Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
22. Re: Warwell flat cars
From: "PGrace" <pgrace@...>
23. Re: B&O Wagon Top Box Cars: Oh, now I get it!
From: CBarkan@...
24. Re: Warwell flat cars
From: Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
25. Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene
From: <ljack70117@...>


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Date: 24 Nov 2004 14:59:58 -0000
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:08:25 -0600
From: Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Not to be a nitpicker, but for a 300k file, it's pretty small still. Can you
send me something larger, say 1280 x whatever?
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:13:46 -0800
From: Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
Subject: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene

Has anyone tried using toolmaker's blue dye on styrene? I am wondering
if:

-- it attacks styrene?
-- can easily be removed once the work is done?
-- or if it cannot be removed, will it react with RTV?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:43:38 -0000
From: "Bill Burge" <bill_b_52402@...>
Subject: Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene


Ted,
To my knowledge,it shouldn't attack the styrene,but the agents
used to remove it would.Also,if your making patterns for RTV
molds,any splotches,or other irregularities caused by the unevenness
of the application of the dye will be transfered to your work.I
think I would pass on using the dye for such an application.

Have a good one and Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa

--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@s...> wrote:
Has anyone tried using toolmaker's blue dye on styrene? I am
wondering
if:

-- it attacks styrene?
-- can easily be removed once the work is done?
-- or if it cannot be removed, will it react with RTV?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@s...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:52:26 -0000
From: "Bill Burge" <bill_b_52402@...>
Subject: Boxcar Corner Posts


What is the difference between 'W' and 'Z' corner posts?Are they
visibly distinguished?

I'm thinking of using The Intermountain O scale boxcar for a
rebuild program that the Great Northern did in the 60's.They rebuilt
500 cars with exterior post sides and wondered if it mattered which
of the corner posts the car had.

Have a good one and Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:57:49 -0000
From: "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...>
Subject: Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene


--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@s...> asked: Has
anyone tried using toolmaker's blue dye on styrene? I am wondering
if:
-- it attacks styrene?
-- can easily be removed once the work is done?
-- or if it cannot be removed, will it react with RTV?
The old composition that I am familiar with (Dychem or Dykem)will
not attack polystyrene and could be easily removed with isopropyl
alcohol.

We used it a lot building experimental equipment in graduate school.
Being chemical engineers we had every chemical imaginable.

Ed





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:07:04 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...>
Subject: B&O Wagon Top Box Cars: Oh, now I get it!

I was reviewing the article in RP Cyc Number 9, and I noticed the varied
placement of the billboard initials in the mid-1950s and the 1960s. They seemed
to shift left if the car had been rebuilt with an 8' door, so as to avoid the
narrowed side panel on one side of the door (the extra 2' went on one side or
the other instead of being split.)
Eventually I noticed what was right there in the photos, but apparently not
mentioned in the text or the captions-- some cars had 10 sections on each side
(counting the ones over the door) and some had 12. And among the "production"
rebuilds and the newly-built M-53's, the pattern is simple-- two narrow panels
to line up with the door posts of single-door cars (10 panels altogether) or
four narrow panels over a double door opening (12 panels altogether, all roughly
the same width.)
(Among the early experimental designs it's 12 panels on single-door 40' cars,
and 10 panels on the five single-door 36' cars.)
This must be very old news for B&O guys, but I wrote this for the benefit of
anyone else who needs a little help from words to SEE what's in photos!
Scott Pitzer



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:16:05 -0800
From: "Dave Nelson" <muskoka@...>
Subject: RE: ID for this tank car?

Where there any large numbers of PSC tankcars owned by the same company?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson [mailto:rhendrickson@...]

Any idea of the builder and age? Jim Sands photo, taken at Eureka
Springs (wherever that is) in 2004.
http://image07.webshots.com/7/9/28/65/178792865ThRUaD_fs.jpg
Pressed Steel Car Co., 9-17 (the date is stenciled on the tank). See the
builder's photo in the 1922 and 1925 CBCycs. of Boynton Refining Co. BORX
851. I suspect the UTLX reporting marks and numbers are bogus.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520





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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:51:55 -0800
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Subject: RE: ID for this tank car?

Where there any large numbers of PSC tankcars owned by the same company?

Dave Nelson
The only ones I'm aware of are the late '20s cars built for North American
Tank Line, which have been discussed recently here as possible prototypes
for a Tichy/Intermountain kit bash. The earlier cars don't appear to have
been built in large numbers.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:02:31 -0500
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: RE: ID for this tank car?


Where there any large numbers of PSC tankcars owned by the same company?
Dave Nelson
Here's a swag -- Texaco? Sinclair?




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Message: 11
Date: 24 Nov 2004 19:03:15 -0000
From: STMFC
Subject: New file uploaded to STMFC



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:25:02 -0000
From: "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...>
Subject: Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene


--- In STMFC@..., I wrote:
The old composition that I am familiar with (Dychem or Dykem)will
not attack polystyrene and could be easily removed with isopropyl
alcohol.
Thinking about this the alcohol we used to strip blue layout dye
could have been methyl alcohol (methanol), not isopropyl. Methyl
alcohol is poison; isopropyl isn't as bad; it's commonly used in
rubbing alcohol. Rubbing alcohol has a lot of water in it so
isopropyl alcohol may strip the dye but rubbing alcohol may not.
Maybe both alcohols may work, maybe even rubbing alcohol.

Which ever it was, it stripped the layout dye right off.

The formula may have changed over the years for health and safety
reasons or availability of the dye.

Ed





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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:31:35 -0500
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: re: toolmaker's dye


Ted, when you figure it out let us know! :o) I have
always used soft lead pencil on styrene, but not for
masters. The lead can be erased about 98% with a white
plastic eraser.

Tim O.




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:34:48 -0000
From: "skibbs4" <mmrace4@...>
Subject: Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene


--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@s...> wrote:
Has anyone tried using toolmaker's blue dye on styrene? I am
wondering
if:

-- it attacks styrene?
-- can easily be removed once the work is done?
-- or if it cannot be removed, will it react with RTV?

Regards,
Ted Culotta
Without knowing your exact purpose, would an airbrushed layer of
gray paint accomplish the same thing? It would have a more even
application if it needed to be left on for molding. Or, if you use
an acrylic, 91% isopropyl will strip it right back off without
harming the styrene.

Mike Skibbe
www.cgwrr.com





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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:37:15 -0000
From: "skibbs4" <mmrace4@...>
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to STMFC


If it wasn't for the glare on the roof, I'd swear this was a real
photo! ;-)

Mike Skibbe
www.cgwrr.com

--- In STMFC@..., STMFC@... wrote:


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /ERDX10031r.jpg
Uploaded by : rxensen <rxensen@y...>
Description : ERDX box car #10031

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:41:09 -0800
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Subject: RE: ID for this tank car?

Where there any large numbers of PSC tankcars owned by the same company?
Dave Nelson
Here's a swag -- Texaco? Sinclair?
Nope. As swags, go that one's about as good as any - which is to say,
largely worthless.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:51:07 -0500
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: RE: ID for this tank car?


Where there any large numbers of PSC tankcars owned by the same company?
Dave Nelson
Here's a swag -- Texaco? Sinclair?
Nope. As swags, go that one's about as good as any - which is to say,
largely worthless.
Hmmmph. I happen to know Precision Scale (PSC) imported thousands
of tank cars decorated for Texaco. So there!

Tim "Mr. Disinformation" O'Connor




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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:51:42 -0000
From: "rxensen" <rxensen@...>
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to STMFC


The glare is dust from the vent. This must have been a feed
store.
Ron Christensen

--- In STMFC@..., "skibbs4" <mmrace4@h...>
wrote:

If it wasn't for the glare on the roof, I'd swear this was a real
photo! ;-)

Mike Skibbe
www.cgwrr.com

--- In STMFC@..., STMFC@...
wrote:


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /ERDX10031r.jpg
Uploaded by : rxensen <rxensen@y...>
Description : ERDX box car #10031

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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:59:03 -0000
From: "PGrace" <pgrace@...>
Subject: Re: Warwell flat cars

Ted,

Have you tried asking the National Railway Museum at York?

I will ask at my local club tommrow as someone there may know....

Patrick Grace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <tculotta@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Does anyone know if the Warwell well flats used in Europe during WW2 to
carry tanks were built in North America?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912





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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:16:05 -0600
From: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...>
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Marty bought the same picture I did at Naperville!!
Charlie Vlk

----- Original Message -----
From: <STMFC@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC





Hello,

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File : /Central Vermont Local Freight/CHAT-MART-WINES.gif
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Description : Chateau Martin Wines double sheathed car.

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:08:09 -0600
From: Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
Subject: Re: Warwell flat cars


Are you referring to these:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/wagons/801-900/moda95506.jpg

At 02:59 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote:

Ted,

Have you tried asking the National Railway Museum at York?

I will ask at my local club tommrow as someone there may know....

Patrick Grace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <tculotta@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Does anyone know if the Warwell well flats used in Europe during WW2 to
carry tanks were built in North America?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912





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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:26:41 -0000
From: "PGrace" <pgrace@...>
Subject: Re: Warwell flat cars

Yes, I assume that is what Ted meant, according to my references at least
some had arch bar
trucks but I have no build data here at home (UK railways are not really an
interest but as I live in the
UK I should be able to find out!)

Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Webber" <zephyr1@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars




Are you referring to these:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/wagons/801-900/moda95506.jpg

At 02:59 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote:

Ted,

Have you tried asking the National Railway Museum at York?

I will ask at my local club tommrow as someone there may know....

Patrick Grace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <tculotta@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Does anyone know if the Warwell well flats used in Europe during WW2
to
carry tanks were built in North America?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912





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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:58:57 EST
From: CBarkan@...
Subject: Re: B&O Wagon Top Box Cars: Oh, now I get it!

Good observation, and although it is known to some students of the B&O, I
suspect it is not widely understood why this occurred. It is because some of
the
later (1950s) rebuilds of the M-15s were rebuilt from the M-15K (single 6'
door) wagontops, whereas others (considerably fewer) were rebuilt from the
double door M-15L wagontops. These two classes had different rib spacings to
accomodate the different door widths on the orginal cars. Since the whole point
was to reuse the relatively new bodies (late 1930s early 1940s) that were
riding on rather old underframes (1910-early1920s), they had to incorporate the
variation in carbody design into the 1950s rebuild designs.

Chris Barkan

In a message dated 11/24/04 12:21:50 PM, scottp459@... writes:

<< I was reviewing the article in RP Cyc Number 9, and I noticed the varied
placement of the billboard initials in the mid-1950s and the 1960s. They
seemed to shift left if the car had been rebuilt with an 8' door, so as to avoid
the narrowed side panel on one side of the door (the extra 2' went on one side
or the other instead of being split.)
Eventually I noticed what was right there in the photos, but apparently not
mentioned in the text or the captions-- some cars had 10 sections on each side
(counting the ones over the door) and some had 12. And among the "production"
rebuilds and the newly-built M-53's, the pattern is simple-- two narrow
panels to line up with the door posts of single-door cars (10 panels altogether)
or
four narrow panels over a double door opening (12 panels altogether, all
roughly the same width.)
(Among the early experimental designs it's 12 panels on single-door 40' cars,
and 10 panels on the five single-door 36' cars.)
This must be very old news for B&O guys, but I wrote this for the benefit of
anyone else who needs a little help from words to SEE what's in photos!
Scott Pitzer >>



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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:10:10 -0600
From: Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
Subject: Re: Warwell flat cars

Guess the 40 year rule doesn't apply over there!
--

Brian Ehni


From: Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:08:09 -0600
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Are you referring to these:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/wagons/801-900/moda95506.jpg

At 02:59 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote:

Ted,

Have you tried asking the National Railway Museum at York?

I will ask at my local club tommrow as someone there may know....

Patrick Grace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <tculotta@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Warwell flat cars



Does anyone know if the Warwell well flats used in Europe during WW2 to
carry tanks were built in North America?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912



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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:29:23 -0500
From: <ljack70117@...>
Subject: Re: Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene



From: Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
Date: 2004/11/24 Wed AM 11:13:46 EST
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Toolmaker's blue dye and styrene


Has anyone tried using toolmaker's blue dye on styrene? I am wondering
if:

-- it attacks styrene?
YES
-- can easily be removed once the work is done?
NO
-- or if it cannot be removed, will it react with RTV?
Probably.Depends what brand you are using
Thank you
Larry Jackman




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