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Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

Jim or Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Rick Leach makes a beautiful set of decals for this car.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

mcindoefalls
 

WRT the CV model, I recall planning to use the roof to build an NP boxcar, and it seemed a
bit wide. Does anyone else think so? And on the subject of roofs, to me the roof pitch on
the Trix boxcars doesn't seem quite steep enough.

Walt


Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

Richard Hendrickson
 

From Gerg Martin:

Richard writes:
There were several series of these cars with at least two slightly different
ARA cast steel trucks with spring planks, one with Barber lateral motion
devices between the bolster and springs (never modeled on HO) and the other
without. I'd use Accurail's mis-named "Bettendorf" trucks.

Richard would this also be the proper truck for my post 53 era? I have seen
many photos of these cars in PRR stock movements and of all places, coming
east
off the Panhandle, heading into Pittsburgh. Gotta have a couple with those
"better Bowser" K9's and K11's.
Yes, the trucks on these cars were never changed. I saw one in BN company
service in the '80s that still had its original solid bearing trucks.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

CBarkan@...
 

In a message dated 12/12/04 8:16:01 AM, b.hom@... writes:

<< http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/np/np82814abp.jpg >>

Ben et al,

Talk about anachronistic, a wooden stock car with an ACI label! Also, any
idea what service this car is in? It appears that the inside has been sealed,
possibly with plywood. The photo was taken in 1973 in Ft. Worth so its post BN
merger. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that the car is no longer in
interchange service. Anybody know the story on these?

I suppose if discussion of such is verboten here, we can take it over to the
other lists

<freightcars -at- sunny16.photo.tntech.edu>
<bbfcl -at- yahoogroups.com>

Chris


Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

Roger Aultman <raul@...>
 

Hopefully they add weight. Roger Aultman

What's that got to do with the trucks??? 3^)
Greg Martin Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

He asked about weight, too.
--

Brian Ehni

From: <tgregmrtn@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:36:39 EST
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NP stock car (Central Valley kit)


In a message dated 12/11/2004 8:57:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
raul@... writes:
Bowser/Selley sells metal cows. Roger Aultman

http://www.nconnect.net/~raul/AA1.htm
What's that got to do with the trucks??? 3^)

Greg Martin


Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Greg Martin asked:
"Richard would this [Accurail "Bettendorf"] also be the proper truck for my
post 53 era?"

Yes.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/np/np82814abp.jpg


Ben Hom


Re: Reading refrigerator cars 19885-19984

Larry Kline
 

Roger Hinman wrote:
He also mentioned plans for this car were in the Oct 62 MR

The plans are in HO scale in a construction that mentions that these cars were built by AC&F at Berwick. The same plans were in the January 57 MR, pp 46-47, in S scale.

The Oct 62 MR has a 5 page article with 17 prototype photos of airslide covered hoppers, all side views.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: Fresh Grape shipments to Vermont and now Penna

Jeff English
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@o...> wrote:
. . . wine is much on my mind after a
wine tasting event last night . . .
Richard, if you have not yet seen the movie "Sideways", currently
playing in better theaters, you should go.

It's a hoot: "I am NOT going in there if anybody's drinking merlot.
I am NOT frinking any #$%&ing merlot!"

(not shipped in stream-era freight cars!)

Jeff English
Troy, New York


Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

Richard Hendrickson
 

What trucks are correct for the Northern Pacific stock car put out by
Central Valley? I would model it as-built, in 1936.
The instructions list Tuscan as the proper color, and Champ HC-112 as
the correct decals. Any changes for my earlier era?
It looks like I'm going to have some trouble hiding weight on the
car. Any suggestions?
Dean Payne
There were several series of these cars with at least two slightly
different ARA cast steel trucks with spring planks, one with Barber lateral
motion devices between the bolster and springs (never modeled on HO) and
the other without. I'd use Accurail's mis-named "Bettendorf" trucks.

If you want to model the car empty, a flat metal weight on top of the floor
really won't show; it's harder than you mqy think to see through the narrow
gaps between stock car model slats. If you want to model the car with a
load, forget buying HO scale stock, which also won't really be visible.
Instead, throw some weight in there and then carve a piece of stiff
styrofoam with a bunch of humps and bumps on the top and sides, paint it
brown (or light gray for sheep) and viewers will never know the difference.
All you really need is something that's shaped and painted to vaguely
resemble stock to act as a view block so you can't see through the slats on
one side and out the slats on the other side.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

Roger Aultman <raul@...>
 

Bowser/Selley sells metal cows. Roger Aultman

http://www.nconnect.net/~raul/AA1.htm



Dean Payne wrote:

What trucks are correct for the Northern Pacific stock car put out by Central Valley? I would model it as-built, in 1936.
The instructions list Tuscan as the proper color, and Champ HC-112 as the correct decals. Any changes for my earlier era?
It looks like I'm going to have some trouble hiding weight on the car. Any suggestions?
Dean Payne
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NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

What trucks are correct for the Northern Pacific stock car put out by
Central Valley? I would model it as-built, in 1936.
The instructions list Tuscan as the proper color, and Champ HC-112 as
the correct decals. Any changes for my earlier era?
It looks like I'm going to have some trouble hiding weight on the
car. Any suggestions?
Dean Payne


Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

Greg Martin
 

Richard writes:
There were several series of these cars with at least two slightly different
ARA cast steel trucks with spring planks, one with Barber lateral motion
devices between the bolster and springs (never modeled on HO) and the other
without. I'd use Accurail's mis-named "Bettendorf" trucks.

Richard would this also be the proper truck for my post 53 era? I have seen
many photos of these cars in PRR stock movements and of all places, coming east
off the Panhandle, heading into Pittsburgh. Gotta have a couple with those
"better Bowser" K9's and K11's.


If you want to model the car empty, a flat metal weight on top of the floor
really won't show; it's harder than you may think to see through the narrow
gaps between stock car model slats. If you want to model the car with a load,
forget buying HO scale stock, which also won't really be visible. Instead, throw
some weight in there and then carve a piece of stiff Styrofoam with a bunch
of humps and bumps on the top and sides, paint it brown (or light gray for
sheep) and viewers will never know the difference. All you really need is
something that's shaped and painted to vaguely resemble stock to act as a view block
so you can't see through the slats on one side and out the slats on the other
side.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Another Richard Hendrickson trick (he taught this one in about 1984 in
Prototype Modeler) is to nip off the end of Cutips and add them in the view area.
This works especially well in the double deck Mathers cars as sheeeeppp!

Greg Martin


Re: NP stock car (Central Valley kit)

Greg Martin
 

In a message dated 12/11/2004 8:57:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
raul@... writes:
Bowser/Selley sells metal cows. Roger Aultman

http://www.nconnect.net/~raul/AA1.htm
What's that got to do with the trucks??? 3^)

Greg Martin


Re: Fresh Grape shipments to Vermont and now Penna

Greg Martin
 

Richard writes:

Actually, though some wine grapes for export to the East came from Napa,
Sonoma, Mendocino, and Lake Counties, the majority were grown in the Central
Valley of California, the area that today produces wine in (ugh!) boxes. Most of
the grapes shipped east for home winemaking were of indifferent quality. The
Italian winemakers who got the best grapes were the ones who lived where they
were grown.


Richard mentions the Central Valley (in California) and at the very south
eastern end just east of Bakersfield (south of US Hwy. 58) was a large grape
producing area in communities of Lamont and Weedpatch. The Di Georgio Family
compound is at the eastern most switching limits of the Bakersfield, CA. The Di
Georgio Family was a very quiet and powerful California Family until the stock
take over by Arthur Goldberg (Bally's fame you know the slot machine and casino
guy). The Di Georgio Family at one time owned one of the most powerful retail
lumber companies in the western states (Las Plumas Lbr in Oroville,
Bakersfield, and Riverside) and also owned two major lumber mills one in Northern
California, one in Southeastern Oregon as well Di Georgio Foods, DI Georgio Table
Wines, White Rose Foods (northeastern retail grocery outlet), two window
companies, Homey Baked Ham, Tree Sweet, as well as many other sub-companies.

Of particular interest to me is the two sawmills (one WP closed-- the other
WP, GN open) that produced a large portion of the West coast pine shook stock
for wooden crates for produce. This family was very well connected. The Di
Georgio family resided in San Francisco as well as east Lamont (Di Georgio in the
SP switch list). If you search GOOGLE under Di Georgio family you will find
references made to the family during the depression, many stories liken to the
Grapes of Wrath.

Greg Martin


Re: BAR 3000-3599 SS boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Jeff Skeels asks:

The recent thread on State of Maine insulated boxcars piqued my
interest in the BAR single sheathed cars in the 3000 - 3599 (former
1000 - 1599)series cars seen here;
http://www.fandckits.com/Images/6552Large.jpg

Were those cars all equiped with a wavy brake wheel or was this
just a damaged wheel.
That's an original brake wheel; I have several other photos of BAR single
sheathed box cars with the same type of wheel. The depressions in the rim
were intended to engage a brake club for more positive activation of the
handbrake.

....Also note that the car has a
later style Youngstown door than one would expect, and, dare I say
that I'm almost certain that I'm seeing an Apex steel r/b on the car
in question?
Both the steel running board and the postwar style door (introduced ca.
1947) were later additions (note the 1956 reweigh date on the car in the
photo you cited). These cars originally had wood running boards and wood
doors.

Would any list member know when these cars recieved these
modifications?
Between 1947 and 1956, based on the photographic evidence. AB air brakes
were probably applied at the same time, perhaps as part of a general repair
program to recondition and upgrade the cars in this series (and in that
case the modifications would have been carried out prior to mid-1953, after
which AB brakes were required in interchange).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


BAR 3000-3599 SS boxcars

Jeff Skeels <jbjmskeels@...>
 

The recent thread on State of Maine insulated boxcars piqued my
interest in the BAR single sheathed cars in the 3000 - 3599 (former
1000 - 1599)series cars seen here;
http://www.fandckits.com/Images/6552Large.jpg

Were those cars all equiped with a wavy brake wheel or was this
just a damaged wheel. Also note that the car has a
later style Youngstown door than one would expect, and, dare I say
that I'm almost certain that I'm seeing an Apex steel r/b on the car
in question?
Would any list member know when these cars recieved these
modifications? In the '55 ORER the cars are listed as being in
paper service, so would they have had a green door? At any rate I
plan to add one of these cars to my roster but haven;t bought the
F&C kit yet, so any comments, advise, or other remarks about the
cars or kits would be appreciated.

A Merry Christmas to You All
Jeff Skeels


Re: Trix chlorine tank cars

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

Hi Ted

Out of interest, how much is this set, I have seen it here in Germany
for about 90 euro (about $120 for 3), although I have seen them go on
ebay for as little as 62 euro (about $83 for 3)

I will be picking one up on Monday, after which I will do a photo
study on the car for everyone to judge.

I have had a look at one and in general they are nice looking cars,
the KKK coupling system can easily be removed and replaced with a
more prototypical draft gear. I beleave the trucks are the same as
employed on the B-50-27 / A-50-19 , so replacements may well be in
order

Ian Clasper

--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@s...> wrote:
I got a chance to look at the Marklin/Trix chlorine tank cars in
their
boxes this evening and while I certainly couldn't check dimensions,
they actually looked pretty good. It appears that the person who
special ordered them may be flaking on picking them up, in which
case
they will be mine and I will be able to inspect them more
closely....

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@s...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: Reading refrigerator cars 19885-19984

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

found the correspondence I mentioned in my last posting which appears to correlate with the data below; still trying to find the gentleman's name but he was a very knowledgeable Reading equipment historian. Below quoted from material he sent me:



"An agreement of September 29, 1938 arranged for 90 cars to be repaired and leased to Merchants Despatch Transportation Corp. bearing reporting marks ERDX and numbers 9500-9589. The first two cars were repaired by MDT after which 9500 was sent to Reading as a sample car with the remaining 88 cars being repaired at the Reading Shops under the supervision of MDT representatives. The cars were to be used for Dry Lading only. Four cars are known to have been reassigned the MDT reporting marks of BVDX, those being BVDX 901-904, ex ERDX 9521-9524 (only BVDX 903(ERDX 9523) not confirmed) Last car taken out of lease which was terminated as of June 28, 1949 was ERDX 9561 which was renumbered back to RDG 19919 and was then retired in October, 1949. Seven of these cars are known to have been sold "as is" to Dairy Shippers Despatch in 1948."

He also mentioned plans for this car were in the Oct 62 MR

In my Newberry Jct(RDG NYC interchange) project I'm working on, I've detected four of these cars so far passing through in winter of 1941-42. Three with "canned goods" and one with milk




Roger Hinman

On Dec 11, 2004, at 10:40 AM, larry kline wrote:


Richard Hendrickson wrote
Philadelphia & Reading bought some new single sheathed reefers in 1923
(I wonder if those eventually went to FGE?).

The NMRA Charles collection includes photos of two of these cars taken
in 1947: 19905 blt 6-23 and 1600 blt 5-23 (see below). Both cars are
marked for ice service in these photos.

Reading kept all of these cars at least until 1938 based on the
following ORER data.
19885-19984, class RMj in the 1947 photo
ORER
6-29 100
12-30 94
4-38 94
1-40 4
7-45 4
7-50 2
1-53 2
10-56 0

Six of them were renumbered and reclassified as passenger refrigerator
cars ca. 1930.
1591,1592,1598-1601, refrigerator passenger, class BRj and no steam
lines in the 1947 photo
6-29 0
12-30 6
7-45 6
7-50 4
1-53 3
10-56 0

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA








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Re: "Rock Island Official Directory of Industries 1929"

jaley <jaley@...>
 

By the way, Ted Schnepf (sp?) sells comb-bound copies of several freight
shipper's guides. I know he sells UP, and I have one of his MILW.

I have half a copy of a RI directory (the fellow who copied it didn't
realize that his copy was double-sided :-( ) that I got for free.
Unfortunately, the owner of the original has passed on to that great
railway in the sky, and I don't know what became of his copy.

Regards,

-Jeff



On Dec 9, 1:31pm, Randy Williamson wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] "Rock Island Official Directory of Industries 1929"

At 01:25 PM 12/9/2004, you wrote:
I think the asking price is a bit steep, but then I'm
not a Rock Island fan...

That is a steep price outright. I have purchased a couple of industrial
directories on Ebay for over $100 and have seen them go for over
$300.00 But for the most part I have paid between $50-$75. I have over
40
in my collection.

Randy
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