http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.html

I am cerebrally challenged when it comes to tank cars. Can anyone tell me
who this car belongs to? Any info would be of great help.

Looks like a Dow Chemical tank car. The Ohio, Kanahwa and
other river valleys in that region had (still have) lots of
chemical plants. Judging by the type of car (insulated 103)
I would guess it's for sodium carbonate or sodium hydroxide,
two common industrial chemicals.

On Dec 17, 2004, at 8:07 AM, Scott Seders wrote:

Following is a link to my personal web page.

http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.html

I have uploaded an enlarged portion of a photo taken in August, 1956
of an
empty hopper train departing Grafton, WV on the B&O. Unfortunately,
the
original photo is not very sharp.   At the front of the train is a
tank car.
All that is visible is the shape and color of the lettering and logo.

I am cerebrally challenged when it comes to tank cars.  Can anyone
tell me
who this car belongs to?  Any info would be of great help.

Scott:

It looks to me like a Dow ICC 104 insulated car, but that's a guess
based upon the shape of the emblem.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

Following is a link to my personal web page.

http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.html

I have uploaded an enlarged portion of a photo taken in August, 1956 of an
empty hopper train departing Grafton, WV on the B&O. Unfortunately, the
original photo is not very sharp. At the front of the train is a tank car.
All that is visible is the shape and color of the lettering and logo.

I am cerebrally challenged when it comes to tank cars. Can anyone tell me
who this car belongs to? Any info would be of great help.

Thanks,
D. Scott Seders

Thanks Chet. "Follow the Flag".

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "wabash2813" <vbaird@t...> wrote:

I'm in the process of ordering three of these puppies and a number

of

other forty foot gondolas.<snip>

The data and photos that came with the order

form has me a little confused. It says the cars were painted black
but the photo, though B&W, seems to suggest otherwise.

What is the correct scheme fo the early 1950's? OK, so lettering

size

and color changed depending on the time period but what's correct

for

my time period?

Victor,

Wabash steel gons were painted black including trucks. White paint
or stencil paste was used for the lettering. The lettering size
never changed on the 40' gons. Earlier Wabash composite gons were
painted freight car red and this color was also used on the 11300-
11999 series 52'-6" Bethlehem gons purchased from the CNJ in 1962.
Several other 52'-6" gons were repainted FCR during the 1963-64
period.

Chet French
Dixon, IL

Ian,

Thank you for the information. That is a lot of
"light" to shed.

Regards,

Mike



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I'm in the process of ordering three of these puppies and a number of
other forty foot gondolas. Hopefully we'll get some more steam
era "forty foot" permeations and combinations as time goes by.

Anyway, here's my quesiton. I suppose Chet French would be able to
answer this the best. The data and photos that came with the order
form has me a little confused. It says the cars were painted black
but the photo, though B&W, seems to suggest otherwise.

What is the correct scheme fo the early 1950's? OK, so lettering size
and color changed depending on the time period but what's correct for
my time period?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana

<snip>I wonder if Byron is a nut case because he's such a good modeler, or

vice-versa?

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Richard-

I hope the good modeling follows being a nut case because I've got the
first step nailed.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

<snip>It will not be published on any set schedule, but I am toying

with the idea of offering something like a three volume package or
something similar after that was suggested by someone off line as a
means to lower my overall costs and save buyers a couple bucks per
volume in the process. I will see if it is feasible, given the
inherent issues with taking money when people may not see the final
fruits of that money for up to 12 months. Regardless of how it is
sold, I will make an announcement when publication is imminent. The
first volume won't be ready until the February timeframe.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Ted-

Considering the machinations I went through after I joined this list
and managed to get the back issues of RPC I'd be happy to pay for
three or four issues, in advance, so I'd know I wouldn't miss an
issue. And, if something happens before I get all the issues I'd paid
for my heirs could console themselves by reading the rest of the
issues as they come in <g>.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

Richard:

Will a really good styrene model of a B&O wagon-top box car

sell enough

copies to even pay for the tooling? Nobody knows, though sooner or
later we'll probably find out - and the news may not be good.

Bob Webber:

I wonder about that. Will a Milwaukee Road Rib Side box sell
enough copies to pay for the tooling? One would think that a
B&O wagon-top could sell more than a rib-side.

I think that's a no-brainer. And I bought ribsides.

SGL

Hi Guys

I have been wondering about this for a while. I have seen a cutaway of an
average wood reefer. I am wondering why the large ice blocks don't crash
straight through the floor when dropped from icing platform to charging the
icing bunker?

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Custom Brass Painting
http://www.lanestrains.com

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Bob Webber ask...

"I wonder about that. Will a Milwaukee Road Rib Side box sell enough copies to pay for the tooling? One would think that a B&O wagon-top could sell more than a rib-side."

I would say it could if they did a better job of marketing... The demand is there and so is the market. I know for a fact that 5th Ave. Car Shops is goingback to the hopper for more with different numbers.

Some changes would likely have to be made... Like take the tooling to China, offer the kit built-up and correct some tooling flaws... and here's the YIKES offer it in every MILW paint scheme that would fit on the car even if it is BOGUS... or keep the tooling as is and continue to offer it to the market for the next 40 years, like MDC's car...

Our market is relatively small and we are a great test market but with the above changes the car's tooling will pay...

Greg Martin

Phil Buchwald asked:
"X32?"

No. PRR 36986, Class X35:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x35.gif&fr=cl

Class X32 is the 50 ft round roof automobile boxcar (no end door):
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=X32


Ben Hom

At 06:37 PM 12/16/2004, you wrote:

Richard strongest point is...
Will a really good styrene model of a B&O wagon-top box car sell enough copies to even pay for the tooling? Nobody
knows, though sooner or later we'll probably find out - and the news may not be good.

I wonder about that. Will a Milwaukee Road Rib Side box sell enough copies to pay for the tooling? One would think that a B&O wagon-top could sell more than a rib-side.

Richard strongest point is...

Will a really good styrene model of a B&O wagon-top box car sell enough copies to even pay for the tooling? Nobody
knows, though sooner or later we'll probably find out - and the news may not be good.

Perhaps I know Richard better than most... I think it is will be a smashing hit and I think he thinks so as well.. I have to ask myself, "why did three producers look at the car before two back off?", simply because someone else got the drop on the other two... This car can satisfy two markets, the PAssenger car folks and the freight car folks... It stands a great chance...

"With regard to the 1932 ARA box cars, both Bill Schneider and Marth McGuirk have now weighed in on the list with admirable candor. Making such decisions is how these guys earn a (perhaps somewhat precarious) living. Anyone who wants to second-guess them deserves an award for valor."

Well, I may not be worthy of an award but I think if you separate the project into parts and realize that the tooling for the first one must pay for another, well, then the odds change. I remember sitting at dinner with a guy talking about a notion of doing Budd passenger cars... So you have to develop a marketing strategy and a plan and then work into that realm... But you have to know all parts of the puzzle first! I call it "baby steps". Then just as any market you learn to, "ride the wagon until the wheels fall off.." So would the "32" car work, I'd think so... Just remember, you may not want to be the first leg on the table, but you sure as H**l don't want to be the last...

"If you want to make a small fortune producing styrene models of 1932 ARA box cars, make sure you have a very large fortune to start with - and if a sizeable tax loss would be to your advantage, so much the better.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520"

I've seen this one before from Richard, but I also know he does think outside the box, althought he might not give that impression... 3^)

Now someone will ask me if I would put my money up for it? Well, if I could enjoy all the porfits from the project... Oops that the part they never want to share...

Greg Martin

X32?

Phil Buchwald

What does a Jones door look like?

What is the trade name for the product?
Jack

Marty said "If you think the Santa Fe stockcar was an 'odd' choice . . . ."

Odd? I know not "odd." I see nothing odd about it.

Indeed, it was about time!

Happy holidays,

Andy

Iam Clasper writes, about the taller CNJ cars:

Brass models of these car keep on turning up on eBay, I beleave by
PSC.

Are they accurate models of these cars ?

Ian, I have an old brass model by Oriental Ltd. that's basically correct
but very crude and requires considerable re-detailing to bring it up to
current standards.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520