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Re: reefer question

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

I'm not sure how many people saw the article in Railfan & Railroad in (I think) the December issue. I believe it was in Maybrook - there was a large icing platform, and the platform was higher than those I'd seen on Western RR's, and there were chutes positioned over the hatches of the reefers - and the guys on the platform had wheel barrows with what seemed to be crushed or broken ice rather than block ice to put in these chutes - blocks (unless quite small) wouldn't have fit. The whole operation was quite unlike that which I was more accustomed to seeing.

At 11:52 AM 12/17/2004, you wrote:


--- In STMFC@..., "Bill Lane" <billlane@c...> wrote:
Hi Guys

I have been wondering about this for a while. I have seen a cutaway
of an
average wood reefer. I am wondering why the large ice blocks don't
crash
straight through the floor when dropped from icing platform to
charging the
icing bunker?

Thank You,
Bill Lane
Bill,
You are correct, of course. 300 lbs. falling 7 or 8 feet could do
some damage.

This matter is one of the things I covered in my Ice-bunker, Private-
owner Reefer book for Morning Sun (excuse the shameless plug,
please). The cakes, usually about 300 lbs., were broken into smaller
pieces by skillfull workmen who could break up a block as it was
sliding towards and into the hatch.

Lots of ice that went into ice bunkers was crushed or broken
mechanically in later years.
Gene Green







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Re: Tank Car ID Help Needed

Thomas Baker
 

It's hard to be certain, but do I detect friction-bearing trucks on the tank car?

Tom

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Re: reefer question

Gene Green <lgreen@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill Lane" <billlane@c...> wrote:
Hi Guys

I have been wondering about this for a while. I have seen a cutaway
of an
average wood reefer. I am wondering why the large ice blocks don't
crash
straight through the floor when dropped from icing platform to
charging the
icing bunker?

Thank You,
Bill Lane
Bill,
You are correct, of course. 300 lbs. falling 7 or 8 feet could do
some damage.

This matter is one of the things I covered in my Ice-bunker, Private-
owner Reefer book for Morning Sun (excuse the shameless plug,
please). The cakes, usually about 300 lbs., were broken into smaller
pieces by skillfull workmen who could break up a block as it was
sliding towards and into the hatch.

Lots of ice that went into ice bunkers was crushed or broken
mechanically in later years.
Gene Green


Re: Tank Car ID Help Needed

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim Gilbert wrote

Another guess based upon the shape of the emblem would be the Diamond
Alkali Company but most of these 237 cars were intended for chlorine,
vinyl chloride or methyl chloride - ICC types 105 & 106. I believe that
tank cars carrying chlorine did not have expansion domes so that should
shoot down Diamond as the owner as a possibility.
http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.html

Tim, that is a good guess, but the Diamond Alkali emblem was multicolor
and had writing through it that extended beyond the edges of the diamond.
I have a 1956 photo of a Diamond Alkali 103W with a large dome, with
reporting marks GATX 32991. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's the only car
I've ever seen that matches the Overland brass model #3229. Unfortunately
I don't know of any decals for it.

I would very much like to see a better photo of that 10k Dow tank car.
Dow leased cars so not all of them had DOWX reporting marks -- I have
photos of GATX Dow Chemical tank cars, for example. Dow was a big outfit
based in Michigan, not Texas, but they had chemical plants in several
states.



From Tim O'Connor

Looks like a Dow Chemical tank car. The Ohio, Kanahwa and
other river valleys in that region had (still have) lots of
chemical plants. Judging by the type of car (insulated 103)
I would guess it's for sodium carbonate or sodium hydroxide,
two common industrial chemicals.
Response from Tim Gilbert

In the April 1955 ORER, the only Dow cars listed were from their Texas
Division (128 cars - all ICC-103's having five or six digit numbers) and
3 cars from their Canadian Division based in Vancouver BC.
Response from Richard H. Hendrickson

Tim is correct that this is a Dow Chemical Co. tank car, in this case a 10K
gal. ICC-104 (or insulated ICC-103, which amounts to the same thing) built
in the 1920s by the Standard Tank Car Co. - note the distinctive sloping
box bolsters.


Re: 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Dec 17, 2004, at 9:40 AM, Pete Brown ((YahooGroups)) wrote:

BTW, is there a list of all F&C kits someplace? I couldn't find a web site
for them, and I also didn't see any product information from them on the
STMFC web site.
Pete:

www.fandckits.com

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View

Pete Brown &#92;(YahooGroups&#92;) <YahooLists@...>
 

BTW, is there a list of all F&C kits someplace? I couldn't find a web site
for them, and I also didn't see any product information from them on the
STMFC web site.

Pete

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From: Pete Brown (YahooGroups) [mailto:YahooLists@...]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View

Different ends, and in the case of the WM (4th largest number built and
surviving) the cushioned frame, custom ladders and stirrup steps, and roof
that (I believe) was different from many of the others.

You'd have to have one heck of a kit made to cover even the largest
purchases.

But if you had to pick just one, I'd say to pick the WM <g>

Ted, great book, BTW. I've only read the WM bit and the opening section so
far, but plan to hit others as motivation hits :-)

Pete
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Re: 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View

Pete Brown &#92;(YahooGroups&#92;) <YahooLists@...>
 

Different ends, and in the case of the WM (4th largest number built and
surviving) the cushioned frame, custom ladders and stirrup steps, and roof
that (I believe) was different from many of the others.



You'd have to have one heck of a kit made to cover even the largest
purchases.



But if you had to pick just one, I'd say to pick the WM <g>



Ted, great book, BTW. I've only read the WM bit and the opening section so
far, but plan to hit others as motivation hits :-)



Pete



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From: David Soderblom [mailto:drs@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View



I just got Ted's book today and did some elementary statistics to
assess whether or not a styrene model of this car had commercial
potential. I claim no knowledge of the business, but off the
following:

First, a recap of their population in the 5301 ORER:

Road Series No. blt. No. in 1953

BAR 65000-65649 650 645
C&O 7000-7649 650 632
CG 4000-4499 500 488
CGW 89000-89998 500 487 Note 1
CP 225000-225699 700 690
CRR 5000-5249 250 246
D&H 17626-17725 100 99
ERIE 76500-76999 500 488
GM&N 6400-6549 150 147
L&A 15000-15150 150 148 Note 2
MEC 4248-4999 754 736
MP 30000-32499 2500 2461
I-GN 17001-17300 300 296
M-I 4000-4249 250 249
NOT&M 17301-17500 200 197
NC&StL 18000-18499 500 482
NKP 13000-13499 500 482
NS 25000-25499 500 488
NdeM 60000-61299 1300 1240
SAL 17000-18999 2000 1898
SOO 41800-42798 500 492
SOO 135800-135998 100 98
UP 182500 1 1
WRT 900-919 20 20
WM 27001-28200 1200 1181

Note 1: Series numbers in book's table wrong? Last should be 89999?
Note 2: Series numbers in book's table wrong? First should be 15001?

1. Total number of cars built = 14,725. Number remaining in 1953 is
14,391, or 98%, an excellent survival rate.

2. Of these, 4,305 were built with 9-4 IH and 4/4 ends, representing 12
roads (I'm counting the MP variants as separate). Another 1,700 were
built with 9-3 IH and 4/4 ends, and another 2,400 with 9-1 IH and 4/4
ends.

Observations:

I don't know all the design variations involved yet since I just got
the book, but if it's the ends that matter most, there are a
significant number of variations that can be built as
true-to-prototype.

Second, many of these roads are actually very popular among modelers
and, most importantly, modelers like to see variety in their trains,
especially colorful paint schemes (members of this list, I claim, are
*not* immune to this; how else could Martin ever hope to sell Warrior
River boxcars?). How many other valid models do we have for many of
these roads?

My conclusion is that the 1932 ARA boxcar, at least with 4/4 ends,
could well be marketable.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD


Re: Tank Car ID Help Needed

Richard Hendrickson
 

http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.html

I am cerebrally challenged when it comes to tank cars. Can anyone tell me
who this car belongs to? Any info would be of great help.
Looks like a Dow Chemical tank car. The Ohio, Kanahwa and
other river valleys in that region had (still have) lots of
chemical plants. Judging by the type of car (insulated 103)
I would guess it's for sodium carbonate or sodium hydroxide,
two common industrial chemicals.
Tim is correct that this is a Dow Chemical Co. tank car, in this case a 10K
gal. ICC-104 (or insulated ICC-103, which amounts to the same thing) built
in the 1920s by the Standard Tank Car Co. - note the distinctive sloping
box bolsters.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Tank Car ID Help Needed

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

On Dec 17, 2004, at 8:07 AM, Scott Seders wrote:


Following is a link to my personal web page.

http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.html
<http://home.comcast.net/%7Esseders/tankcar.html>

I have uploaded an enlarged portion of a photo taken in August, 1956
of an
empty hopper train departing Grafton, WV on the B&O. Unfortunately,
the
original photo is not very sharp. At the front of the train is a
tank car.
All that is visible is the shape and color of the lettering and logo.

I am cerebrally challenged when it comes to tank cars. Can anyone
tell me
who this car belongs to? Any info would be of great help.
Ted Culotta replied:

Scott:

It looks to me like a Dow ICC 104 insulated car, but that's a guess
based upon the shape of the emblem.
In the April 1955 ORER, the only Dow cars listed were from their Texas Division (128 cars - all ICC-103's having five or six digit numbers) and 3 cars from their Canadian Division based in Vancouver BC.

Another guess based upon the shape of the emblem would be the Diamond Alkali Company but most of these 237 cars were intended for chlorine, vinyl chloride or methyl chloride - ICC types 105 & 106. I believe that tank cars carrying chlorine did not have expansion domes so that should shoot down Diamond as the owner as a possibility.

It is possible, however, that either Dow or Diamond leased long term this car from one of the private tank car leasing companies such as GATX, SHPX, or, maybe UTLX - UTLX had just got into the chemical car leasing business in 1952-53.

Can anybody recall a company with a diamond logo which would be used on tank cars?

Tim Gilbert


Re: Tank Car ID Help Needed

Tim O'Connor
 

http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.html

I am cerebrally challenged when it comes to tank cars. Can anyone tell me
who this car belongs to? Any info would be of great help.
Looks like a Dow Chemical tank car. The Ohio, Kanahwa and
other river valleys in that region had (still have) lots of
chemical plants. Judging by the type of car (insulated 103)
I would guess it's for sodium carbonate or sodium hydroxide,
two common industrial chemicals.


Re: Tank Car ID Help Needed

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Dec 17, 2004, at 8:07 AM, Scott Seders wrote:

Following is a link to my personal web page.

http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.html

I have uploaded an enlarged portion of a photo taken in August, 1956
of an
empty hopper train departing Grafton, WV on the B&O. Unfortunately,
the
original photo is not very sharp.   At the front of the train is a
tank car.
All that is visible is the shape and color of the lettering and logo.

I am cerebrally challenged when it comes to tank cars.  Can anyone
tell me
who this car belongs to?  Any info would be of great help.
Scott:

It looks to me like a Dow ICC 104 insulated car, but that's a guess
based upon the shape of the emblem.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Tank Car ID Help Needed

Scott Seders
 

Following is a link to my personal web page.

http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.html

I have uploaded an enlarged portion of a photo taken in August, 1956 of an
empty hopper train departing Grafton, WV on the B&O. Unfortunately, the
original photo is not very sharp. At the front of the train is a tank car.
All that is visible is the shape and color of the lettering and logo.

I am cerebrally challenged when it comes to tank cars. Can anyone tell me
who this car belongs to? Any info would be of great help.

Thanks,
D. Scott Seders


Re: Sunshine Wabash Gondola

wabash2813 <vbaird@...>
 

Thanks Chet. "Follow the Flag".

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: Sunshine Wabash Gondola

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "wabash2813" <vbaird@t...> wrote:

I'm in the process of ordering three of these puppies and a number
of
other forty foot gondolas.<snip>
The data and photos that came with the order
form has me a little confused. It says the cars were painted black
but the photo, though B&W, seems to suggest otherwise.

What is the correct scheme fo the early 1950's? OK, so lettering
size
and color changed depending on the time period but what's correct
for
my time period?

Victor,

Wabash steel gons were painted black including trucks. White paint
or stencil paste was used for the lettering. The lettering size
never changed on the 40' gons. Earlier Wabash composite gons were
painted freight car red and this color was also used on the 11300-
11999 series 52'-6" Bethlehem gons purchased from the CNJ in 1962.
Several other 52'-6" gons were repainted FCR during the 1963-64
period.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: A-50-4 Reporting Marks was:Trix cars

Michael Aufderheide
 

Ian,

Thank you for the information. That is a lot of
"light" to shed.

Regards,

Mike



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Sunshine Wabash Gondola

wabash2813 <vbaird@...>
 

I'm in the process of ordering three of these puppies and a number of
other forty foot gondolas. Hopefully we'll get some more steam
era "forty foot" permeations and combinations as time goes by.

Anyway, here's my quesiton. I suppose Chet French would be able to
answer this the best. The data and photos that came with the order
form has me a little confused. It says the cars were painted black
but the photo, though B&W, seems to suggest otherwise.

What is the correct scheme fo the early 1950's? OK, so lettering size
and color changed depending on the time period but what's correct for
my time period?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: Early '50s C&S Denver yard photo

Walter M. Clark
 

<snip>I wonder if Byron is a nut case because he's such a good modeler, or
vice-versa?

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Richard-

I hope the good modeling follows being a nut case because I've got the
first step nailed.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California


Re: "Prototype Model Railroading"

Walter M. Clark
 

<snip>It will not be published on any set schedule, but I am toying
with the idea of offering something like a three volume package or
something similar after that was suggested by someone off line as a
means to lower my overall costs and save buyers a couple bucks per
volume in the process. I will see if it is feasible, given the
inherent issues with taking money when people may not see the final
fruits of that money for up to 12 months. Regardless of how it is
sold, I will make an announcement when publication is imminent. The
first volume won't be ready until the February timeframe.

Regards,
Ted Culotta
Ted-

Considering the machinations I went through after I joined this list
and managed to get the back issues of RPC I'd be happy to pay for
three or four issues, in advance, so I'd know I wouldn't miss an
issue. And, if something happens before I get all the issues I'd paid
for my heirs could console themselves by reading the rest of the
issues as they come in <g>.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California


Re: Populations vs. model numbers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Richard:
Will a really good styrene model of a B&O wagon-top box car
sell enough
copies to even pay for the tooling? Nobody knows, though sooner or
later we'll probably find out - and the news may not be good.
Bob Webber:
I wonder about that. Will a Milwaukee Road Rib Side box sell
enough copies to pay for the tooling? One would think that a
B&O wagon-top could sell more than a rib-side.

I think that's a no-brainer. And I bought ribsides.

SGL


reefer question

Bill Lane <billlane@...>
 

Hi Guys

I have been wondering about this for a while. I have seen a cutaway of an
average wood reefer. I am wondering why the large ice blocks don't crash
straight through the floor when dropped from icing platform to charging the
icing bunker?

Thank You,
Bill Lane

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