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Re: Grabs

Paul Lyons
 

Overland also made a nice brass bracket grab, but they have been discontinued
and no amount of prodding will get them to do a re-run. I think Bill Welsh
and myself have captured what supply was left in hobby shops across the country.
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


Märklin/Trix HP Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Ian Clasper kindly sent me a raft of detail shots of these new models, and
I have to say that I am seriously disappointed. Previous models of U.S.
prototypes from M/T have incorporated a variety of errors, in addition to
what Mike Brock aptly describes as their "Alpha Centauri" couplers, but
most of the die work for the injection moldings was very good. By
contrast, the new tank cars look like something AHM would have had produced
in Hong Kong thirty years ago.

Owing to the truck-mounted toy train couplers, the tank car models sit way
too high on their trucks. This, of course, can be corrected. However,
almost all of the details are oversize and very heavy, conspicuously the
platform and railings, brake rigging, uncoupling levers (though at least
they're there), etc. Especially noticeable are the flanges at the end of
the tank where the sheet metal jacket over the insulation was riveted
together; these were very thin on the prototype, and almost have to be a
bit oversize in HO scale, but on the T/M model they're about a scale foot
thick and look awful. The equivalent flanges on Athearn's forty year old
"chemical" tank car model are much better executed (though of course the
Athearn model has numerous other shortcomings).
The T/M models are being made in China and we know the Chinese can do much
better than this, as demonstrated by the models they're making for
Life-Like, so the Germans have to take responsibility.

I have the distinct impression that M/T have become arrogant and complacent
owing to their dominance of the toy train market in Europe and have neither
much understanding of nor much respect for the serious scale modeler market
in North America. It's one thing to sell Kadee quality models for $30+,
quite another to ask those kinds of prices for models that fall far short
of current state of the art. I'm especially aware of the deficiencies of
these M/T tank car models because I'm currently "Beta testing" a couple of
pre-production Intermountain stock car kits which are a notable example of
how far the best manufacturers have come in producing dead-on accurate,
elaborately detailed, and delicately molded models in injection-molded
styrene. All I can say is that I hope the M/T models will not discourage
some other manufacturer from producing high quality models of these
important and interesting prototype cars. If the Germans aren't
embarrassed by this shabby effort, they should be.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Athearn News

Richard Hendrickson
 

Richard, Our the Athearn Allied FC trucks nicer than the Hallmark last run
brass ones?
Paul Lyons
Liguna Niguel, CA
I haven't seen one of the Hallmark trucks for years, but I'm sure that, in
terms of appearance and prototype fidelity, the Athearn trucks are at least
as good if not better. And unlike the Hallmark (or most other) brass
trucks, they actually roll very well, a significant advantage if you're not
building models for static display.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Salvaging drytransfers?

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Bill,
I was considereing following that path. Any suggestions for assuring
that the transfers will stick to the clear decal film?
Pierre Oliver


Hello:

Don't treat them as transfers. Get some blank decal film and try to
transfer
them to that and then apply clear liquid decal film.

If this works use them as a decal.

Bill



Re: 1942-42 color Yard photos (Jack Delano)

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Al Westerfield reports-

My information on the cars is that after the take-over of URT by GAT, cars when repainted were done in GAT colors, orange sides and black roof and ends. Certainly the MILW leased cars in the 1940s were those colors.
This seems to be correct.

John Greedy, the ranking expert on the Milwaukee reefers, monitors this list when he can. Perhaps he will chime in.

Denny



--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, California


Salvaging drytransfers?

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

I've run into a problem with some dry transfers.
They've been sealed in their plastic envelope since they were made.
Yet when I went to apply them to the car side, the decals wouldn't
transfer onto the carside. I've had this problem with dry transfers
that were unsealed , thus allowed to dry out. But never with sealed
dry transfers. Since it seems that these particular dry transfers are
no longer available, does anyone have suggestions for salvaging these
decals.
Thanks,
Pierre Oliver


Re: FS: Moody's Indistrials, 1962

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

A search of http://www.bookfinder.com yields for Moody's Industrial yield two alternatives: - one, a 1965 Manual for $125.00, and the other, a 1958 Manual for $150.00.

Tim Gilbert

Dave Nelson wrote:

Hard to find and the price shows that. Don't know seller.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----

1. Moody's Industrial Manual by John Sherman Porter Moody's Investors
Service, 1962 Hard Cover. Very Good Clean Solid Copy. First Edition.
The price of the book is US$ 200.00
Please reference the seller's book # 006768 when ordering.

The seller is Nancy's Books
PO BOX 287 , Washington, NJ, U.S.A., 07882.
<mailto:nancysbooks@...>
Terms of sale: Terms: I accept personal or business checks or money orders
in U.S. dollars, or drawn on a U.S. bank. Please make check/money order
payable to: Nancy Blahnik. New Jersey residents please add 6% state sales
tax. There are two ways to process your order electronically. You may use a
credit card through ABE COMmerc, by selecting the book, and putting in your
credit card info (See bottom left of this page). I also accept payments
through PayPal. I cannot process a credit card transaction any other way.
Shipping: Orders shipped United States Postal Service unless otherwise
requested. Orders within the United States: $4.00 (Book Rate + Insurance)
for 1st book + $1.00 for each additional book. Add $1.50 to each book for
USPS Priority mail. International orders: shipped surface mail unless
otherwise requested. $6.00 for first book + 2.00 for each additional book.
Allow 2-12 weeks for out-of-country shipping. International airmail also
available with shipping charges adjusted. For large orders, postage,
insurance & handling will be billed at cost. All shipments within the United
States are insured to protect the buyer against shipping loss or damage. In
the event of damage or loss, we will provide the buyer with the insurance
receipt so that the buyer may file an insurance claim with USPS. If
insurance is needed for purchases shipped outside of America, please inquire
as to the post office costs. Ordering Info: Payment is due within 7 calendar
days of our 'order confirmation email'. Each of our books has a unique
seller's book id #. Please put this item # on your order. Books are
returnable for a full refund within 10 days if not as described, not
including postage. They must be returned in original condition.


Re: Intermountain Latest PFE R-30-18

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Paul Lyons wrote:
I was up at the Whistle Stop in Pasadena yesterday and grabbed one of
Intermountain's latest RTR releases, a PFE R-30-18 with post 1952 paint. Preoccupied
with other things I did not look the model over carefully till I got home.
With a close review I knew something was visually wrong, but wasn't sure exactly
what. A quick review of Tony's PFE book and a double check(no offense Tony)
of Dick Smith's PFE painting article in an early "Streamliner" confirmed the UP
hearld should be black and white, not red, white, and blue as done on the
model. Am I missing something here or.....Marty say it isn't so!
The B&W medallion for UP was introduced in June, 1950, so if it's a post-1952 paint job it sure should be B&W.
I would urge caution, BTW, with Dick Smith's article, as it contains a number of assumptions on Dick's part which are stated by him as facts. If you want to make use of it, please also consult the "corrective" I published in _The Streamliner_ in Volume 2, No. 2 (April 1986).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


MILW STEEL BOXCAR AT UNION, IL

ZOE@...
 

GROUP:

Could some one tell me what the car number is on the MILW horizontal rib
boxcar that is preserved at Union, IL.

Thanks in advance, Mont Switzer


FS: Moody's Indistrials, 1962

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Hard to find and the price shows that. Don't know seller.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----

1. Moody's Industrial Manual by John Sherman Porter Moody's Investors
Service, 1962 Hard Cover. Very Good Clean Solid Copy. First Edition.
The price of the book is US$ 200.00
Please reference the seller's book # 006768 when ordering.

The seller is Nancy's Books
PO BOX 287 , Washington, NJ, U.S.A., 07882.
<mailto:nancysbooks@...>
Terms of sale: Terms: I accept personal or business checks or money orders
in U.S. dollars, or drawn on a U.S. bank. Please make check/money order
payable to: Nancy Blahnik. New Jersey residents please add 6% state sales
tax. There are two ways to process your order electronically. You may use a
credit card through ABE COMmerc, by selecting the book, and putting in your
credit card info (See bottom left of this page). I also accept payments
through PayPal. I cannot process a credit card transaction any other way.
Shipping: Orders shipped United States Postal Service unless otherwise
requested. Orders within the United States: $4.00 (Book Rate + Insurance)
for 1st book + $1.00 for each additional book. Add $1.50 to each book for
USPS Priority mail. International orders: shipped surface mail unless
otherwise requested. $6.00 for first book + 2.00 for each additional book.
Allow 2-12 weeks for out-of-country shipping. International airmail also
available with shipping charges adjusted. For large orders, postage,
insurance & handling will be billed at cost. All shipments within the United
States are insured to protect the buyer against shipping loss or damage. In
the event of damage or loss, we will provide the buyer with the insurance
receipt so that the buyer may file an insurance claim with USPS. If
insurance is needed for purchases shipped outside of America, please inquire
as to the post office costs. Ordering Info: Payment is due within 7 calendar
days of our 'order confirmation email'. Each of our books has a unique
seller's book id #. Please put this item # on your order. Books are
returnable for a full refund within 10 days if not as described, not
including postage. They must be returned in original condition.


Ben Hom, please contact me offlist

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Ben, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

Mike Brock


Re: 1942-42 color Yard photos (Jack Delano)

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Richard - When I visited GAT years ago they gave me the name of an retired employee who actually painted the cars. I called him. That's the source of my info. Of course, we all know how good memory is plus how rigorously painting specs are followed. - Al Westerfield
Al, that's interesting, and makes sense, and seems to be validated by the
Delano photos. However, I have one color shot of a URTX Milw. wood reefer
(with wood roof) dated 1946 with postwar lettering in which the roof and
ends are unmistakably mineral red. I wonder if the change coincided with
the adoption of the new, simpler sans-serif lettering scheme?

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520



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We think we've corrected a flaw in our email that prevented modelers from using the "email order" button to order freight cars (appropriate content). May I ask that some of you help me with a test - particularly aol users. Send me an order with just your name and then send me a regular email saying you sent the order. Web site is www.westerfield.biz and email is westerfield@charter .net Thanks very much. - Al Westerfield


Re: Salvaging drytransfers?

WBa2485811@...
 

Hello:

Don't treat them as transfers. Get some blank decal film and try to transfer
them to that and then apply clear liquid decal film.

If this works use them as a decal.

Bill


Intermountain Latest PFE R-30-18

Paul Lyons
 

I was up at the Whistle Stop in Pasadena yesterday and grabbed one of
Intermountain's latest RTR releases, a PFE R-30-18 with post 1952 paint. Preoccupied
with other things I did not look the model over carefully till I got home.
With a close review I knew something was visually wrong, but wasn't sure exactly
what. A quick review of Tony's PFE book and a double check(no offense Tony)
of Dick Smith's PFE painting article in an early "Streamliner" confirmed the UP
hearld should be black and white, not red, white, and blue as done on the
model. Am I missing something here or.....Marty say it isn't so!
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


Re: Athearn News (re-sent)

Ron Boham <spnut@...>
 

Somehow my message did not differentiate between original message and my reply; giving it another try:

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Boham
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Fwd: Athearn News



----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Fwd: Athearn News


>Ted Culotta wrote:
>>> HO Allied Full Cushion and Commonwealth Trucks
>
>> Finally! Well, finally in March, but at least they are getting ready
>> to sell them individually.

Tony Thompson responds:

> These look like nice trucks, and the Commonwealth in particular
>will be nice, compared to the old "shorty" Athearn express truck, about
>5.5 foot wheelbase, which I believe was at best unusual.

To which I replied:

So are the new ones, to some extent. I have a few of the Athearn express box cars, and while the truck looks like a variant of a GSC BX double-drop equalizer truck, there's something odd about it. Compare to photos at the bottom of page 8 in RPC Volume 6, which illustrate GSC BX with and without Houdaille snubber; the two left photos show truck sideframes for single-shoe brakes, and the right photo shows a sideframe designed to support clasp brakes.

Athearn's offering appears to be a clasp brake model w/o snubber, but it has both coil and leaf springs, which none of the prototype photos I've found so far show. The Walthers express truck, designated as GSC BX, includes the Houdaille snubber with the extended sideframe for clasp brakes. I have modified several sets already to the single-shoe sideframe, and "daylighted" the sideframes around the coil springs and bolster behind the snubber to match prototype appearance.
Richard added:

I have pre-production samples of the Allied FC trucks and they are, indeed,
very well done - certainly better than any of the alternatives previously
available for modeling these very distinctive trucks.

And I asked:

Richard, have you examined the PSC Allied FC truck? They lack some of the detail of the Athearn (the lettering on the Athearn sideframe is great!), showing both a much older PSC die and the difficulty and difference between casting in Delrin and casting in brass. Modified to accept I/M wheelsets, they meet the three-foot rule, and were the only game in town until Athearn brought these out. You will be able to buy two or two and a half sets of Athearn FC for what one set of PSC costs, which will settle the issue.
Ron Boham
Ralston, NE


Re: Athearn News

Ron Boham <spnut@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Fwd: Athearn News


>Ted Culotta wrote:
>>> HO Allied Full Cushion and Commonwealth Trucks
>
>> Finally! Well, finally in March, but at least they are getting ready
>> to sell them individually.

Tony Thompson responds:

> These look like nice trucks, and the Commonwealth in particular
>will be nice, compared to the old "shorty" Athearn express truck, about
>5.5 foot wheelbase, which I believe was at best unusual.
So are the new ones, to some extent. I have a few of the Athearn express box cars, and while the truck looks like a variant of a GSC BX double-drop equalizer truck, there's something odd about it. Compare to photos at the bottom of page 8 in RPC Volume 6, which illustrate GSC BX with and without Houdaille snubber; the two left photos show truck sideframes for single-shoe brakes, and the right photo shows a sideframe designed to support clasp brakes.

Athearn's offering appears to be a clasp brake model w/o snubber, but it has both coil and leaf springs, which none of the prototype photos I've found so far show. The Walthers express truck, designated as GSC BX, includes the Houdaille snubber with the extended sideframe for clasp brakes. I have modified several sets already to the single-shoe sideframe, and "daylighted" the sideframes around the coil springs and bolster behind the snubber to match prototype appearance.


I have pre-production samples of the Allied FC trucks and they are, indeed,
very well done - certainly better than any of the alternatives previously
available for modeling these very distinctive trucks.

Richard, have you examined the PSC Allied FC truck? They lack some of the detail of the Athearn (the lettering on the Athearn sideframe is great!), showing both a much older PSC die and the difficulty and difference between casting in Delrin and casting in brass. Modified to accept I/M wheelsets, they meet the three-foot rule, and were the only game in town until Athearn brought these out. You will be able to buy two or two and a half sets of Athearn FC for what one set of PSC costs, which will settle the issue.
Ron Boham
Ralston, NE


Re: 1942-42 color Yard photos (Jack Delano)

Richard Hendrickson
 

My information on the cars is that after the take-over of URT by GAT, cars
when repainted were done in GAT colors, orange sides and black roof and
ends. Certainly the MILW leased cars in the 1940s were those colors. - Al
Westerfield
Al, that's interesting, and makes sense, and seems to be validated by the
Delano photos. However, I have one color shot of a URTX Milw. wood reefer
(with wood roof) dated 1946 with postwar lettering in which the roof and
ends are unmistakably mineral red. I wonder if the change coincided with
the adoption of the new, simpler sans-serif lettering scheme?

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Athearn News

Pete Brown &#92;(YahooGroups&#92;) <YahooLists@...>
 

I guess I'll take a look when they show up at the LHS :-)

Pete

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________________________________________
From: Richard Hendrickson [mailto:rhendrickson@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Fwd: Athearn News

Pete Brown asks, regarding the Athearn Allied FC trucks:

How do they compare to the ones that come with the Walthers troop cars?
I can't say, Pete, having not yet seen the Walthers trucks.  I've been
told, however, the the Walthers trucks are also very well done.  Feast or
famine, as usual; after all these years of having no decent Allied trucks,
we now get them from two different mfrs.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: 1942-42 color Yard photos (Jack Delano)

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tom Baker wrote:
"I had no idea that Delano got all over Chicago, or so the variety of shots
would suggest. Are all Delano's subjects railroad locations?"

No, but fortunately for rail historians, the work of Jack Delano and the
other photographers working for the Farm Security Administration and Office
of War Information did document quite a bit of the railroad scene during the
1930s and 1940s. For the full story behind the Library of Congress FSA-OWI
collection, go to
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html


Ben Hom

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