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Re: Current Sunshine Kit List

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Jim and John,

On regard to the General American Wood Express Reefers: I have four on order from Martin now and do not expect to get them until early March. Back in September, when I ordered them, Tricia advised that they were just about out of the trucks for them and that they were also just about out of the kit assembly instructions. My order was based on not receiving the instruction sheets or documentation as I already had the material with the kits I already had. Also at that time, I ordered and received enough trucks to cover the cars that I had plus the remaining four on the list.

As all the kits of these series had the same instruction sheets, it was not necessary for me to have them included when the kits were made. I would say that the best thing to do is to drop a note to Tricia and see if the cars are still available. With Broadway planning to bring these cars out, Martin's market would disappear anyway.

The 1947 ACF welded REA reefers (Kits 27.11 through 27.14) which are also marked closeout may also be discontinued. This was because Martin had run out of the trucks used beneath these cars and also because of the imminent (now two years late) introduction of this car by Branchline. Tricia had remarked that they had sold a huge amount of both these kits and that orders had tapered off.

Again, a letter with a stamped-self-addressed envelope, may bring a reply in regard to the status of the cars. In regard to procrastination, I too have waited too long at times to order and have missed cars due to them being phased out due to low sales or competition from the competition.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292

Jim and Lisa Hayes wrote:

I just checked the Winter 2004-5 kit list and 27.2 - 27.10 are not listed.
Since I don't have a direct pipeline into Sunshine, I'll reluctantly use
that absence as a signal to change them to Discontinued on my list.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon




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Re: ARA 1932 box car book

Denis F. Blake <dblake2996@...>
 

Spoken like a true prophet...

Denis Blake

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Webber
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: ARA 1932 box car book


Colder temperatures? New Years?

At 08:02 AM 12/24/2004, you wrote:
>My copy of Ted's book arrived yesterday, along with a foot of snow and....
>So the big question becomes, what's next Ted?
>Cheers,
>Pierre Oliver



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Re: Speaking of Ribsides - Replacement Ladders

golden1014
 

John Golden wrote: "Guys, Speaking of the Ribside
Models cars, has anyone found a suitable substitute
for the eight rung ladders? I bought some DA
eight-rung ladders and they're not tall enough."

The Good Dr. Hendrickson wrote: "John, I'm curious as
to why you want to replace the kit ladders; I thought
they were among the few detail parts in the kit that
were very well done."

To which I reply: Ugh--Sounds like I set myself up for
a pie in the face. I had an emergency apendectomy on
Monday night so maybe the all those drugs have
affected my judgment.

Richard, All, I like the cars but in my opinion the
ladders, roofwalks, and add-on other parts were poorly
represented. I do think the ladders were OK, but I
compared them straightaway with DA eight-rung ladders
and the difference in quality and cross-section was
noticeable enough for me to upgrade. I also used
cut-down 50' AMB wood running boards. The bolt pattern
matches almost exactly and the modeler gets the added
bonus of weathering down real wood, which adds a
great realism to a weathered steel roof.

Merry Christmas!
John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

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Re: lost styrene & wax casting

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:43:02 -0000
From: "coronadoscalemodels"
<coronadoscalemod@aol.com>
Subject: Re: lost styrene & wax casting

Thanks, Stan. Don't know how accurate my memory is (if
I recall that was more than a couple of years ago...)
but I really appreciate and thank you for your
comments...



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Bill Daniels
Tucson, AZ



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Re: Question about CB&Q FM-11/FM-11A flatcar

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim and Lisa Hayes"
<jimandlisa97225@v...> wrote:
Does anyone remember what year this was the mini-kit gift at
Naperville?

And, if anyone has one of these, I'd be happy to trade for a Byron
Rose
flatcar kit.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
The 2000 meet. 1999 was a set of parts for upgrading a P2K auto car
to a Wabash car, and 1998 was the set for a CMO boxcar with Duryea
underframe. Not sure what 2001 was, but I've got a couple of Santa
Fe Bx-41-49 Minikits from somewhere.

Tom Madden


Re: Erie "Fowler" box car lettering help

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dean Payne wrote:
I am (finally!) getting around to lettering my Westerfield kit #4352,
the Erie Fowler box car. I am modeling the mid-30's . . .
The one thing that has me stumped is the info just to the left of the
door. I would expect a "New 10-17" to match the "BLT 10-17" date to
the RIGHT of the door . . .
Nope. The car would have been reweighed, every 36 months in the early part of its life, and upon the first of those reweighs, the station symbol for the location, and the date, of the reweigh would have replaced the "NEW" stencil.

While I'm on the subject, when did the various dimensional data
styles come into effect? The one I am using came into effect in 1927
or so, with lines above and below the roadname/road number, and there
were some other changes that I can't think of just now. When was the
next change (was that when the lines were removed?)
The ARA made a RECOMMENDATION about 1920 or so to use the stripes, but railroads adopted it when it pleased them to do so, if they did so at all. I don't know about the Erie in this matter. In 1952, the AAR discontinued that recommendation, but that's long after your era. You need Erie-specific information here, or correctly dated photos.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ARA 1932 box car book

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

Colder temperatures? New Years?

At 08:02 AM 12/24/2004, you wrote:
My copy of Ted's book arrived yesterday, along with a foot of snow and....
So the big question becomes, what's next Ted?
Cheers,
Pierre Oliver


Re: Yahoo Problems

Brian Termunde
 

In a message dated 12/24/2004 4:44:02 PM Mountain Standard Time,
thetrainman00@aol.com writes:
I had that exact same thing happen to me, nothing for December 23. I didn't
think anything of it until someone mentioned it.

----> The messages have been slowly arriving, but with dates of the 24th!

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah
"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District


Re: Question about CB&Q FM-11/FM-11A flatcar

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Does anyone remember what year this was the mini-kit gift at Naperville?

And, if anyone has one of these, I'd be happy to trade for a Byron Rose
flatcar kit.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: Yahoo Problems

thetrainman00@...
 

I had that exact same thing happen to me, nothing for December 23. I didn't
think anything of it until someone mentioned it.

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf
Modeling the CNJ L&S Div, in the 60s & 70s


Re: Yahoo Problems

Brian Termunde
 

In a message dated 12/24/2004 2:10:20 PM Mountain Standard Time,
jfbrewer@comcast.net writes:
Sorry for the bandwith.....I am having difficulty getting into My Account at
Yahoo. I can't access the files section of the group because I can't get to
the page that lists the groups I belong to.

<<<Snip>>>

Anyone else having this problem? Any suggestions?

---> Well I'm not sure if it was simply a Yahoo hiccup or what, but I didn't
receive a single post from ANY of my Yahoo groups 12/23. Even though I
successfully logged on and read the posts there. Some of the missing post came
through today, but not all.

---> I was in shock, I need my daily fix of Steam Era Freight Cars! <G>

Take Care -- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah
"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District


Correct trucks for GN #2540 express boxcars?

oliver
 

I have this car in dark green post-war scheme with the colored goat
herald from Intermountain and would like to add the correct trucks for
this class. Any ideas? Which class of trucks do the IM trucks that
come in their boxcar kits actually represent?
Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas!
Stefan Lerché
Duncan, BC Canada


Re: Tannery Chemicals

raildata@...
 

There is an excellent article in one if the "Logging Railroads of
Pennsylvania" series
of books. It secribes the whole tanning process including machines and
chemicals used. The book goes into the tanneries because the logging railroads were
associated with the tan bark (from hemlock trees).

The infamous Wellsville,Addison & Galeton was asociated with the tanning
industry and abandonment of the line was largely due tot he closing of the last
tannery in that area. The hides were shipped to PA becuase that's where the
tanbark was, with the volume of hides being far less than the tanbark.

Endicott-Johnson Shoe Co. had a tannery right in the middle of Endicott NY
that lasted into the 60's, perfuming the air for miles around. They got about
ten cars of hides a week from the Erie. The tannery was a conventional brick &
concrete multistory industrial building but the hide storage was made up of
wooden sheds.

As has been said, the cars used to bring hides from the west were wood
sheathed cars with floorboards and side sheathing often missing. My understanding is
that once a car was put in hide service it never could be used for anything
else.

Chuck Y
Boulder CO


Re: Tannery Chemicals

DRGW482@...
 

A less chemical process is described here:

_http://www.publicbookshelf.com/public_html/The_Household_Cyclopedia_of_Genera
l_Information/historyof_cff.html_
(http://www.publicbookshelf.com/public_html/The_Household_Cyclopedia_of_General_Information/historyof_cff.html)

At least it sounds less chemical.

A quick search of the book "WAG - the sole leather line" brought up little
evidence of tank cars. One photo of the 60s shows a GATX car. Earlier photos
show very very few if any tank cars. Looking through a Tariff of the 50s, a lot
of stuff related to tanning and leather was shipped in barrels and boxes.
Surprised to see a tariff for dog leather/hide....

Regarding that "new leather smell"... I wonder if that changed over the
decades, particularly when the hide to leather conversion process was
mechanized/industrialized.

It also seems that specific types of leather are tied to specific regions.
Such as the Galeton, PA area for sole leather. According to the WAG book,
Massachusetts was known for the top leather. That may also affect the type of
cars going in and out of a factory. Apparently not all leather was finished in
the plant that got to the pickling stage. Again, there are tariff entries for
partially finished leather with a defined moisture content.

Lastly, looking at a 1921 NYC shippers guide, it is amazing how many
listings are for hides/tallow/leather/tanning.

If you do a web search on tanning history however, you get a different type
of tanning...

Martin


Re: ARA 1932 box car book

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

My copy of Ted's book arrived yesterday, along with a foot of snow and
just enough freezing rain to make the experience truely festive.
Just in time for Christmas! Thanks Ted! (And visions of ARA cars
danced in their heads)
An excellent tome! I'm looking forward to many hours of reading
between forays outside to clear the path and driveway.
So the big question becomes, what's next Ted?
Cheers,
Pierre Oliver


Re: email for ARNOLD Menke

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

Thank you to all who replied to my inquiry for info on ARNOLD Menke. I think I have what I need.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: Tannery Chemicals

proto48er
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@c...> wrote:
Phil,


....In addition to the chemicals, hides were received; the plant
manager
indicated these came from Iowa and Texas; my guess, based on Doug
Harding's
recent articles in RMC, is that they came from the Decker plants;
of course,
they could have come from any other packing house, but I'm using
Decker as
the shipper of hides to my tannery....
The "green" hides were shipped in Texas in double-sheathed wood lined
boxcars. If the green hide touched metal during transit, it became
discolored and was worth considerably less as a raw material. In
Austin, Texas, on the I-GN (MP) line on Fourth Street, old USRA
double sheathed boxcars were the car of choice at the hide plant - in
captive service - because of the stench. Cars regularly sat in the
100*F sun with uncured hides inside waiting to be processed. This
was the last service for most of these cars! A.T. Kott


Re: Question about CB&Q FM-11/FM-11A flatcar

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Dec 23, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Paul Gehrett wrote:

Hi Folks,

Does anyone have a diagram that shows the underframe
detail arrengement for a  CB&Q FM-11/FM-11A flatcar?
This was the Sunshine Models mini-kit gift at the
Naperville meet a few years ago.  Thanks in advance
for your help.
Paul:

Try this...
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/spencer/
cbq91234main.html

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Erie "Fowler" box car lettering help

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

I am (finally!) getting around to lettering my Westerfield kit #4352,
the Erie Fowler box car. I am modeling the mid-30's (to accomodate
billboard reefers, no later than 1937). I am trying to get the
proper lettering by looking at the image on the Westerfield web
site. (The herald, we now know, should be white, not yellow).
The one thing that has me stumped is the info just to the left of the
door. I would expect a "New 10-17" to match the "BLT 10-17" date to
the RIGHT of the door... but no such decal exists on the included
decal sheet. There IS, however, a "New 6-31", but the info on the
web site says they were rebuilt in the LATE 1930's... and I don't
think that even a pretty thorough rebuild would change the "New"
date. And... the last 6' door Fowler types were built in 1923...

While I'm on the subject, when did the various dimensional data
styles come into effect? The one I am using came into effect in 1927
or so, with lines above and below the roadname/road number, and there
were some other changes that I can't think of just now. When was the
next change (was that when the lines were removed?) What was the
style/styles BEFORE 1927, and how long could they remain on a car?
At some point, there was info regarding draft gear/coupler/wheels, I
think it was on the ends, but I've never lettered a car like that.
Were there a few major revisions, or were there little changes all
along?
Dean Payne


Re: Athearn News

Walter M. Clark
 

From Walter M. Clark:

And I've got three pair of brass (still unpainted, even) Allied Full
Cushion trucks from Hallmark that cost me almost $10/pr. over twenty
years ago. Oh, well.
Sell 'em on e-bay (or get someone to sell them on e-bay for you); since
they're brass you'll probably get more than you paid for them (maybe way
more).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Richard:

Thanks for the idea! I would probably never have thought of that
(never having used or even browsed through e-bay). Now all I have to
do is find them.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

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