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Re: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

Schuyler Larrabee
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Brock [mailto:brockm@...]
Thanks for being members and thanks for making my
job easy.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

You . .

Are thanking US?

Let's get it right: Thank YOU, Mike.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

SGL


Re: Dates K brakes and Andrews trucks banned from interchange

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Guy Wilber wrote:
1) 1926; Type AB brake sytems begin testing.

The ARA began the brake tests in 1925 at Purdue's Test Lab. The use of the
terminology "AB" was not used until the WESTINGHOUSE FC-3a design was fully
developed, tested and approved for application during 1932. . .
Welcome "back," Guy. Long time no read, or something like that. Nice to hear from you, and Happy Holidays.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Erie "Fowler" box car lettering help

Richard Hendrickson
 

Dean Payne asked:
"Does anybody know the location symbol for Kent, Ohio? Or, lacking that,
any other Erie reweigh station symbols from the period (mid-late
30's) would do."
Ben Hom responded:

I don't have one for Kent OH, but here's what I do have:

BH = Binghamton NY
DO = Dunmore PA
PJ = Port Jervis NY
MDV = Meadville PA

Other documented reweigh symbols follow, though these need to be identified:

HE
CD
EB
KY
SO
CH
EE
Here's what I have for Erie reweight station symbols:

BH = Binghampton, NY CD = Cleveland CX = Croxton, NJ DO = Dunmore, PA
EB = East Buffalo HD = Hammond, IN HL = Hornell, NY MDV =
Meadville, PA PJ = Port Jervis, NY. I'd like to know what the other
symbols Ben cites represented.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Trix/Marklin Chlorine tank cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Ted Culotta writes:

First, I have not yet checked the tank dimensions yet, so this is
contingent upon those being workable. Second, for those of you who
have seen "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" this all brings to mind the
scene where Spiccoli (Sean Penn) totals Forrest Whittaker's car and
says "My dad's a TV repair man. He has the ultimate set of tools. I
can fix it." (the fact that Sean Penn and Forrest Whittaker were ever
in something like this proves that everyone has to start somewhere, but
that's a different topic.) Anyway, having completely stripped the car
so that all of the parts are separated, I think "I can fix it". There
are two main things to be done: file to inside of the ends of the tank
to create a much finer flange and then build up the circumference of
the tank ends to make up for this difference and to build an entirely
new frame. The small task is then to add entirely new details such as
brakes, hand holds, ladders, etc. However, I am up for the challenge!
I don't doubt that you're up to the challenge, Ted, but the question is -
is it worth all that effort? Especially to rework a model that costs
upwards of $30 to start with? I haven't given up on the possibility of
getting another mfr. to produce really good models of these cars; I don't
consider the M/T models to be competitive in the North American market in
any realistic sense, since they are not only grotesquely inaccurate and
badly executed but also absurdly overpriced.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Correct trucks for GN #2540 express boxcars?

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Stefan Lerch� asked:
"I have this car in dark green post-war scheme with the colored goat
herald from Intermountain and would like to add the correct trucks for
this class. Any ideas?"

These cars had ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks with Timken roller bearings. See
photo of GN 2538 on page 10 of RPCyc Vol 8. AFAIK, there isn't an exact
match in HO. The MDC Hyatt roller bearing truck is one option for a
stand-in.


"Which class of trucks do the IM trucks that come in their boxcar kits
actually represent?"

Barber S-2.

Mele Kalikimaka!


Ben Hom


Re: Erie "Fowler" box car lettering help

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Dec 25, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Dean Payne asked:
"Does anybody know the location symbol for Kent, Ohio? 
"KE"

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Trix/Marklin Chlorine tank cars

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

First, I have not yet checked the tank dimensions yet, so this is contingent upon those being workable. Second, for those of you who have seen "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" this all brings to mind the scene where Spiccoli (Sean Penn) totals Forrest Whittaker's car and says "My dad's a TV repair man. He has the ultimate set of tools. I can fix it." (the fact that Sean Penn and Forrest Whittaker were ever in something like this proves that everyone has to start somewhere, but that's a different topic.) Anyway, having completely stripped the car so that all of the parts are separated, I think "I can fix it". There are two main things to be done: file to inside of the ends of the tank to create a much finer flange and then build up the circumference of the tank ends to make up for this difference and to build an entirely new frame. The small task is then to add entirely new details such as brakes, hand holds, ladders, etc. However, I am up for the challenge!

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: ARA 1932 box car book

George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
 

Yet again sucking the money out of my wallet!
(very good money, spent very wisely by buying anyting Ted does)

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:


On Dec 24, 2004, at 6:02 AM, pierreoliver2003 wrote:

So the big question becomes, what's next Ted?
After the first volume of the journal, the next book will be about War
Emergency freight cars. I plan to have it done by mid-summer.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912





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Re: Erie "Fowler" box car lettering help

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Dean Payne asked:
"Does anybody know the location symbol for Kent, Ohio? Or, lacking that,
any other Erie reweigh station symbols from the period (mid-late
30's) would do."

I don't have one for Kent OH, but here's what I do have:

BH = Binghamton NY
DO = Dunmore PA
PJ = Port Jervis NY
MDV = Meadville PA

Other documented reweigh symbols follow, though these need to be identified:

HE
CD
EB
KY
SO
CH
EE

Mele Kalikimaka!


Ben Hom


Re: ARA 1932 box car book

BuyGone Treasures <buygone@...>
 

Ted:

Put me down for one.

Paul C. Koehler

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Culotta [mailto:tculotta@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: ARA 1932 box car book



On Dec 24, 2004, at 6:02 AM, pierreoliver2003 wrote:

So the big question becomes, what's next Ted?
After the first volume of the journal, the next book will be about War
Emergency freight cars. I plan to have it done by mid-summer.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912



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Re: ARA 1932 box car book

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Dec 24, 2004, at 6:02 AM, pierreoliver2003 wrote:

So the big question becomes, what's next Ted?
After the first volume of the journal, the next book will be about War Emergency freight cars. I plan to have it done by mid-summer.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: Erie "Fowler" box car lettering help

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@s...> wrote:
The car would have been reweighed, every 36 months in the
early part of its life, and upon the first of those reweighs, the
station symbol for the location, and the date, of the reweigh would
have replaced the "NEW" stencil.
Yeah, I KNEW that... I was just playing dumb, I guess. ;~) Does
anybody know the location symbol for Kent, Ohio? Or, lacking that,
any other Erie reweigh station symbols from the period (mid-late
30's) would do. All my Erie cars have "New" dates, not rewiegh
dates! (That's odd! But they're just a few un-improved (as of yet)
Athearn hoppers and a Proto 50' end-door box...)
Dean Payne


Re: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

Brian Termunde
 

In a message dated 12/25/2004 3:29:35 PM Mountain Standard Time,
walterclark@... writes:
I agree. Three years ago (when I found this group) I was content that
everything Athearn and MDC made was prototypically correct. Now I can
even calculate what the earliest date for re-weighing is for my RR.

---> For me make that Kadee (before they split and became Micro Trains) and
... and ... well there really was only KD, everything else (with very few
exceptions) was junk!

---> Now I can calculate reweighing data, but I just can't read it in N
scale! <G>

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah
"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District


Re: Speaking of Ribsides - Replacement Ladders

Richard Hendrickson
 

John Golden writes:

...I had an emergency apendectomy on
Monday night so maybe the all those drugs have
affected my judgment.
Good grief, John, that's no way to spend the holidays. I'm sure everyone
on the list will join me in wishing you a speedy recovery.

John goes on:
...I like the cars but in my opinion the
ladders, roofwalks, and add-on other parts were poorly
represented. I do think the ladders were OK, but I
compared them straightaway with DA eight-rung ladders
and the difference in quality and cross-section was
noticeable enough for me to upgrade....
I'd agree in general, but I thought the ladders were good enough to use. I
just took another look at my finished model and find I'm still satisfied
with the way they look. YMMV.

To John and everyone on the list,

All the best of the holiday season and the new year.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

Brian Termunde
 

In a message dated 12/25/2004 1:55:33 PM Mountain Standard Time,
schuyler.larrabee@... writes:
You . .

Are thanking US?

Let's get it right: Thank YOU, Mike.

----> That is for sure! When I joined this group, I wondered if I last long.
And while not every thread is of interest to me, I've learned a great deal,
and I do want to take this opportunity to thank everyone. You're all a bunch of
great professors here at Steam Era Freight Car University! I may not ever get
my Masters, but I'm sure having a ball trying!

Merry Christmas and the Very Best of New Years!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah
"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District


Lional Challengers pulling power

pauldoggett2472
 

The pulling power of my Lional challenger was very poor to say the
least. The rmedy is quite simple
1 remove leaf springs from the front truck
2 replace the spring on the rear truck with a much lighter one
£ remove all five springs from the fixed axles on the tender( you can
if so desired put very much lighter springs on the 1st and 5th axles
as they do pick up).
Before re assembling the keeper plate use very small amount of silcon
grease on the five rigid axles, the difference is a good running loco
tha will now pull a decent length train up a 1.7% grade.
Merry christmas to all Paul Doggett


Re: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

BuyGone Treasures <buygone@...>
 

Bob:

If you contact the editor of the SP and/or UP publications, you will also be
contacting the editor of the ATSF Publication. John Signor is the editor of
all three publications. Trainline SP, The Streamliner UP and The Warbonnet
ATSF.

Merry Christmas to all.

Paul C. Koehler
President SPH&TS

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Webber [mailto:zephyr1@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 7:32 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays


In the spirit of the message, if there is an editor of the HS publication or
an officer of the following Historical Societies, please contact me OFF LIST
for a Merry Christmas for the Society:

Northern Pacific
Great Northern
Burlington Northern
Seaboard
NYC
PRR
Monon
ATSF

I have contacted (or will be in contact with the UP, SP, WP, MP, CB&Q HS)

Thanks! Bob



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Re: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

At 09:21 AM 12/25/2004, you wrote:

To borrow from the terminology of my brief stint in civilian personnel with
the army at Aberdeen Proving Ground [ a great military museum there, BTW ]
prior to joining NASA, and to quote from an old Beetle Bailey cartoon....
A GREAT museum there, with lots of armored vehicles and such, including some nice examples of railway guns - if in the vicinity, a DO NOT MISS venture (if at all interested in such things).


Re: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

In the spirit of the message, if there is an editor of the HS publication or an officer of the following Historical Societies, please contact me OFF LIST for a Merry Christmas for the Society:

Northern Pacific
Great Northern
Burlington Northern
Seaboard
NYC
PRR
Monon
ATSF

I have contacted (or will be in contact with the UP, SP, WP, MP, CB&Q HS)

Thanks! Bob


Re: Dates K brakes and Andrews trucks banned from interchange

Guy Wilber
 

Hugo wrote:

I have some notes on various "events" which include:

1) 1926; Type AB brake sytems begin testing.

The ARA began the brake tests in 1925 at Purdue's Test Lab. The use of the
terminology "AB" was not used until the WESTINGHOUSE FC-3a design was fully
developed, tested and approved for application during 1932.


2) 1953; Type K brakes no longer allowed on cars in interchange (initially
1/1/45, but set back).

Specifically, July 1, 1953, for all cars (in interchange) other than tank
cars which received a further extension to October 1, 1953. The AAR's July 1
date included an exemption through October 1, 1953, for all cars being returned
to the owner's rails. These cars were not to be loaded. The same type of
exemption was granted to tank cars through January 1, 1954.


3) 1930; Arch bar trucks banned for new cars.

There was no specific language banning arch bar trucks for new equipment when
ARA Interchange Rule 3 was modified in 1930: Rule 3, Section T, Paragraph 3;
Trucks, with arch bars, prohibited, effective January 1, 1936, under all
cars. From Owners.


4) 1941; Arch bar trucks banned for interchange (initially 1936, then 1939,
then 1941).

Arch Bars were banned (in interchange) on July 1, 1940. There was no further
extension granted past that date.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Earthquake Faults, Nevada
Somewhere on the road tonight

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