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Re: Branchline EZ Kits

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Bill sent me a couple of views of the test shots of the Yardmaster 1937 AAR
box car, which have been posted on our (just getting started) guide to
Branchline kits:
http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/Branchline-kits.
html

- John Nehrich


Re: steam era coil steel cars

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Ed,

Absolutely. The Arcade (sometimes called Lisbon) trestle was collapsed
by a train of 21 cars of steel, probably all coils, being carried in
D&RGW 45' GS gondolas. The accident happened on July 24, 1951. Motor 650
was seriously damaged, but later returned to service. The WP caboose
(725 IIRC) was damaged beyond repair. The trestle took about three years
to fix, and was not electrified when reopened. The accident so scared
the WP management, that they decided to end ferry service with Ramon. It
was withdrawn the day the line reopened in 1954. After that, the former
mainline between West Sacramento and Chipps Island was nothing more than
an unimportant branch.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Ed Workman wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@virginia.edu>
they shipped coils on
the Western Pacific and Sacramento Northern in the steam/electric era:
in open gondolas.
Was it steel coils that collapsed the SN trestle?

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Re: steam era coil steel cars

thompson@...
 

Richard Hendrickson said:
Coil steel was shipped in open gondolas without weather protection. I've
seen numerous photos of such shipments.
Richard is entirely right. And contrary to John N's assumption, weather
protection really isn't vital for most coil uses. These coils are going to
be processed further by the recipient, and superficial rust isn't very
important except in cases where a "finished" surface is on the coil, e.g.
for appliances (these coils are often wrapped with something anyway). There
are those in the steel industry who say that coil car hoods are mostly
cosmetic. But I must admit, given all the hassle railroads deal with to
continue same in service, there must be SOMEONE out there who doesn't think
so--maybe the marketing guys?
The one situation for which weather protection could be valuable would be
the recipient who isn't going to use a coil right away (more and more rare
today). In that case, water inside the coil will go on rusting right inside
your warehouse--in fact faster than when it was out in the weather because
it's probably warmer indoors--or in your storage yard.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Branchline EZ Kits

Bill Schneider <branch@...>
 

Look Jeff, do you want me to make cars or update the @#%$@# website? :>)

Yes, it needs a fix. They should be the same thing, "Yardmaster". The
person working on our web site (no, not me anymore) must also be
confused! Thanks for pointing this out, I really hadn't noticed.

Bill

Jeff Aley - GCD PE wrote:

Bill,

Thanks for clarifying what the Yardmaster series is. But I infer
from your comments that there is no such thing as a Branchline "E-Z" kit.
Does this mean that your website is in need of updating? I refer to
http://www.branchline-trains.com/productindex.htm , wherin there is a
table listing

"Yardmaster Series
Details Coming Soon
E- Z KITS
40' Easy-Build Boxcar Kits"


What you described as "Yardmaster" seems to be what your website
calls "E- Z KITS". Suffice it to say that I'm confused.

Regards,

-Jeff

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Re: Branchline EZ Kits

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

From: Richard Hendrickson [mailto:rhendrickson@opendoor.com]
Also, FWIW (though it may not
be not good news to most subscribers to this list), Life-Like's Proto 2000
freight car kits aren't setting sales records, though they have a loyal
following; it's the RTR assembled models that are going out the front door
as fast as they come in the back door.
I've seen this at my local hobby shop. IMO, kits are an essential element
of the hobby - aside from developing skills, it has to be keeping people in
the hobby who, if faced with only RTR prices, would not be buying.

What both L-L and InterMountain have found is that if you
build it, they will come.
Don't you mean "if they build it you (the consumer) will come"?

Dave Nelson


Re: Branchline EZ Kits

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On Jan 18, 7:11am, Bill Schneider wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Branchline EZ Kits
The Branchline "Yardmaster" series kits ("E-Z" has already been
taken...) are a new series of kits aimed at the "mass market".
Bill,

Thanks for clarifying what the Yardmaster series is. But I infer
from your comments that there is no such thing as a Branchline "E-Z" kit.
Does this mean that your website is in need of updating? I refer to
http://www.branchline-trains.com/productindex.htm , wherin there is a
table listing

"Yardmaster Series
Details Coming Soon
E- Z KITS
40' Easy-Build Boxcar Kits"


What you described as "Yardmaster" seems to be what your website
calls "E- Z KITS". Suffice it to say that I'm confused.

Regards,

-Jeff

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Re: New tank car

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Oops, you may have meant Model Railroader. Mailline Modeler has an O
scale in their New Products section but the MSRP is $32.95. That listing
you saw for $26 may be a HO scale RTR car which are a few buck more than the
kits.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: New tank car

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I believe that's a O scale car which accounts for the price difference
between it and HO scale cars.

Jon Miller
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Re: steam era coil steel cars

Ed Workman <eworkman@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@virginia.edu>
they shipped coils on
the Western Pacific and Sacramento Northern in the steam/electric era:
in open gondolas.
Was it steel coils that collapsed the SN trestle?


New tank car

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Friends,

While scanning MODEL RAILROADING at the hobby store last weekend (didn't
buy, seldom useful except as t.p.), I noticed that in the new products
section was mention of an SP tank car (O-13, IIRC) from Intermountain.
The price was something like $26, which smells like a premium kit kit
similar to their retooled PFE reefer. Comments anyone?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: steam era coil steel cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

The coil steel cars like the Bachmann and Walthers seem like an obvious
solution to the problem of shipping coiled steel. It is so heavy you have
to load with a crane and you need some sort of weather protection. So why
can't we add truss rods and Andrews trucks to the Wathers models? In other
words, how did they ship coil steel before these cars back in steam days?
Or maybe they didn't? Was it the development of heavier cranes? Wider
spread use of 70 and 100 ton trucks? Some development in the auto industry
to ship steel in this manner? - John
Coil steel was shipped in open gondolas without weather protection. I've
seen numerous photos of such shipments.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Branchline EZ Kits

Richard Hendrickson
 

Jeez, with an intro like that how can I resist.... :>)

The Branchline "Yardmaster" series kits ("E-Z" has already been
taken...) are a new series of kits aimed at the "mass market". They will
have cast on details but the details will be as fine as we can make
them and include things like underbody brake gear (ala Central
Valley/McKean). The hope is to reach some of the market who thinks "all
those parts" make a kit too difficult to assemble but still want a
well-detailed good looking car. Think of them as our Proto 1000....
Bill, I'm devastated! You've sold out! To the toy train bozos! Arrgh.

Seriously, there's obviously a very sizeable market for such kits, and it's
about time that market was better served than by Athearn and MDC kits from
forty year old tooling. Proto 1000 and Accurail products, aimed at the
same market, seem to be selling very well. Also, FWIW (though it may not
be not good news to most subscribers to this list), Life-Like's Proto 2000
freight car kits aren't setting sales records, though they have a loyal
following; it's the RTR assembled models that are going out the front door
as fast as they come in the back door. Like it or not, model railroading
in North America is becoming more like European modeling all the time, with
many buyers who have more disposable income than time opting for high
quality RTR locos, rolling stock, and structures. What both L-L and
InterMountain have found is that if you build it, they will come.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: steam era coil steel cars

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

John and friends,

I can't speak for all railroads, but I know how they shipped coils on
the Western Pacific and Sacramento Northern in the steam/electric era:
in open gondolas. To find out more, drop by my web pages at:

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/gon.html

What I didn't know when I wrote this was that the SN also had a modest
fleet of 52' 6" mill gondolas built by Thrall in 1959. I have yet to
find if any were equipped with coil cradles or racks.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

John Nehrich wrote:

... how did they ship coil steel before these cars back in steam days?
Or maybe they didn't? Was it the development of heavier cranes? Wider
spread use of 70 and 100 ton trucks ....


Re: Branchline EZ Kits

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Ever since Dennis Storzek said in effect the emperor had no clothes back in
April '82 RMC regarding the mainstay of the hobby, the Athearn car with its
undersized doors and CLAWS, I can't see past this feature. Every time I see
a model photo and there is a box car door with claws (at least clip the
claws, if nothing else), I can't see past this feature. I have this image
of the Kilroy was here sketch, only with door claws instead of hands and the
slogan "Irv was here!"
Of course, the whole point of Dennis's article was how to change this
and even salavage the paint scheme, but still, it's a lot of work.
In my opinion I would rather accept the Accurail steel box car with its
post '49 roof and post '54 ends as a stand-in for the '37 car than either
the MDC or Athearn. At least the Accurail car looks like a box car, even if
the wrong one, than either these two kits. And I know the MDC is closer in
details to the '37 car, but the end is pretty shallow relief - my feeling is
that if you are close enough to count ribs, you are too close, and if you
aren't that close, the Athearn is better.
So I will still hold my breath for the Branchline car. (And I trust
them to do appropriate schemes for the car, too, so we don't get an accurate
kit with the wrong schemes. - John


Re: steam era coil steel cars

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

The coil steel cars like the Bachmann and Walthers seem like an obvious
solution to the problem of shipping coiled steel. It is so heavy you have
to load with a crane and you need some sort of weather protection. So why
can't we add truss rods and Andrews trucks to the Wathers models? In other
words, how did they ship coil steel before these cars back in steam days?
Or maybe they didn't? Was it the development of heavier cranes? Wider
spread use of 70 and 100 ton trucks? Some development in the auto industry
to ship steel in this manner? - John


Re: Branchline EZ Kits

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

The 1937 AAR box car has been available from MDC/Roundhouse
for about a hundred years... Athearn's kit is an accurate (and
as yet, unavailable in any other form including resin) rendition
of the 1940 AAR box car with S-corner ends built exclusively for
Illinois Central. If you replace the ladders with 8-rung style,
then the car is accurate for SOO and DSS&A.

Finally a replacement for the standard Athearn box car

The first car out in this series will be the pre war (1937?)
AAR 10-0 IH boxcar.
Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Branchline EZ Kits

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

AAAAhhhh - The King is dead - Long live the King!
Finally a replacement for the standard Athearn box car, in terms of
similar prototype (the Athearn prototype is still questionable, but in the
ballpark of the 1937/1942 AAR car) and ease of construction. Thank you
Bill! (But don't let this get in the way of the passenger cars!) - John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Schneider" <branch@ntplx.net>
To: <STMFC@egroups.com>
Cc: <byronrose@juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Branchline EZ Kits


Jeez, with an intro like that how can I resist.... :>)

The Branchline "Yardmaster" series kits ("E-Z" has already been
taken...) are a new series of kits aimed at the "mass market". They will
have cast on details but the details will be as fine as we can make
them and include things like underbody brake gear (ala Central
Valley/McKean). The hope is to reach some of the market who thinks "all
those parts" make a kit too difficult to assemble but still want a
well-detailed good looking car. Think of them as our Proto 1000....

The first car out in this series will be the pre war (1937?) AAR 10-0 IH
boxcar. If response to this car is decent there will be others. The
tooling for this car is complete and has been test shot, but I have no
scheduled release dates. (Of course, MR Rose will tell you that even if
I did it wouldn't mean anything...)

This series will NOT replace the Blueprint Series kits we produce
(occasionally...). It is aimed at the quick-build segment of the market.
If you're looking for a highly detailed kit of this car with all the
extra goodies, buy one from my friends at Red Caboose. If you want
something to slap on the layout fast, this is your baby!

Bill Schneider
Branchline Trains
http://www.branchline-trains.com

byronrose@juno.com wrote:

ATTENTION ALL. Coming soon to this list will be Mr. Bill
"we-haven't-shipped-that-yet" Schneider, chief honcho and bottle washer
of that part of BLT dedicated to destroying the balance of styrene and
ABS in the universe. I'm sure he will be glad to answer any and all of
your questions about their new kits in complete detail. Honesty is
optional at extra cost.

BSR


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Re: Branchline EZ Kits

Bill Schneider <branch@...>
 

Jeez, with an intro like that how can I resist.... :>)

The Branchline "Yardmaster" series kits ("E-Z" has already been taken...) are a new series of kits aimed at the "mass market". They will have cast on details but the details will be as fine as we can make them and include things like underbody brake gear (ala Central Valley/McKean). The hope is to reach some of the market who thinks "all those parts" make a kit too difficult to assemble but still want a well-detailed good looking car. Think of them as our Proto 1000....

The first car out in this series will be the pre war (1937?) AAR 10-0 IH boxcar. If response to this car is decent there will be others. The tooling for this car is complete and has been test shot, but I have no scheduled release dates. (Of course, MR Rose will tell you that even if I did it wouldn't mean anything...)

This series will NOT replace the Blueprint Series kits we produce (occasionally...). It is aimed at the quick-build segment of the market. If you're looking for a highly detailed kit of this car with all the extra goodies, buy one from my friends at Red Caboose. If you want something to slap on the layout fast, this is your baby!

Bill Schneider
Branchline Trains
http://www.branchline-trains.com

byronrose@juno.com wrote:

ATTENTION ALL. Coming soon to this list will be Mr. Bill
"we-haven't-shipped-that-yet" Schneider, chief honcho and bottle washer
of that part of BLT dedicated to destroying the balance of styrene and
ABS in the universe. I'm sure he will be glad to answer any and all of
your questions about their new kits in complete detail. Honesty is
optional at extra cost.
BSR


Re: Branchline EZ Kits

byronrose@...
 

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:56:26 -0800 (PST) Jeff Aley - GCD PE
<jaley@pcocd2.intel.com> writes:
Does anyone have any details on the Branchline EZ Kits? Is this
based on their Blueprint tooling, but with cast-on details?

And what about their "Yardmaster" series? What's the difference
between Yardmaster and EZ Kits?

Regards,

-Jeff

ATTENTION ALL. Coming soon to this list will be Mr. Bill
"we-haven't-shipped-that-yet" Schneider, chief honcho and bottle washer
of that part of BLT dedicated to destroying the balance of styrene and
ABS in the universe. I'm sure he will be glad to answer any and all of
your questions about their new kits in complete detail. Honesty is
optional at extra cost.

BSR

PS In case Bill doesn't get to it soon, the answers to your above
questions are: yes, no, what about it, much. Don't thank me, that's
what I'm here for.
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Re: Troop Sleepers

byronrose@...
 

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:56:05 -0600 "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D."
<smithbf@mail.auburn.edu> writes:
Hi All,

I was wondering if any of you might have information regarding WWII
era
Troop Sleepers and Kitchen cars manufactured by Pullman and ACF
respectively. I have seen the available info at the Cannonball site
(selling HO kits) and the NEB&W site. I am particularly looking for
diagrams of the underside of the car to locate steam and brake
lines.
Bruce,

MR published a drawing of a Troop Sleeper converted to a service car
several years back. I don't have a copy handy for the date but I'm sure
it will surface via some kind soul. The drawings included an excellent
underbody view showing all the structural members and full brake rigging,
both AB sets worth. I'd say it was indispensable to your efforts.

There are more than several troop cars still in existence, at least that
I am aware of. One is at Union Bridge, Maryland, in the WM Hist Soc
collection, an almost virginal car with all its windows intact and riding
on AFC trucks. Another is closer to DC in a small station display along
with other freight and passenger cars and a small steam lokie. It is in
about the same condition as the WMHS car. And one at Illinois Ry Museum.


I am told a troop sleeper resides at the B&O musuem in Baltimore
(Their web
site is next to useless) - anyone have photographs?

I know that the Southeastern R museum in Duluth Ga (atlanta) has a
Kitchen
car - I have photos and will be back there soon to craawl all over
that sucker!
How about photos documenting the underframe structure and brake systems?


Any other information that you think might be helpful would be most
welcome
- I'm building up a train of the Cannonball cars and am at the
detailing stage

Happy Rails
Bruce
Bruce, if that's the same Cannonball kit I saw at Mitchells last fall,
why would you waste your time on it? The rivets look like flattened
grapefruit halves and the panel line are non existent. It's almost
criminal that someone capable of producing scale size rivets hasn't done
this car yet. Of course, that statement leaves InterMountain out,
doesn't it? But I have been hearing rumors that it will be produced by a
capable manufacturer in the not to distant future. Let's all hope.

Byron Rose
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