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Re: PRR ??3353

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Rob Kirkham asked:
"I am attempting to identify another freight car that showed up in
the CPR waterfront yard in Vancouver, this one Aug 1, 1947. I'm
not able to make out the first two digits in the car number on this
steel single door box car. The flat riveted ends make me think its
an X29 of some sort - though I've reasons to wonder if something
different. Why? Some observations: there is what appears to be a
new panel left of the door - makes me wonder about a double door car
converted to single door. Also, there appears to be some writing
that went across two or three panels that has been painted over -
its located above the car number. Do these signify some sort of
change?"

Brian Carlson answered:
"Rob, it looks like and X28a to me, car number appears to be 123353
which matches a number assigned to a X28a. X28a's were rebuilt from
1-1/2 door X28 cars. The X28 was slightly taller than the X29 built
originally for automobile trade."

Brian is correct - this car is indeed a Class X28A boxcar, PRR
123353. The giveaway is the abnormally tall height in comparison to
the postwar boxcar behind it - an X29 would be noticeably lower.
Another spotting feature of the X28A is a narrow panel second from
the left of the door (not visible in this photo). As for the smudge
across the two-three panels, I don't know of any Class X28A boxcars
equipped for special service, so this is still a mystery.

Modeling this car in HO is a bit of a challenge. Sunshine 26.14 and
26.15 accurately models the X28A, but they are now out of production
and no longer available from Sunshine.

An alternate kibash can be done using two Red Caboose X29 kits using
Vic Roseman's methods as detailed in the August 2004 issue of
Railmodel Journal. Basically, this involves raising the height of
the car from 8' 7" to 9' 3" by cutting and splicing the two
carbodies approximately along where the patch panel seam would be
located. You'll only need to fill the seams on the ends after
you're done splicing carbodies. (BTW, you'll also have to splice
the doors.) However, this kitbash will not have the narrow panel to
the left of the door.

As for brass, several importers have done the original automobile
car version; however, I'm not sure if any have done the rebuilt cars.

For the CK scheme, the best decal set is the Middle Division HBX-6
if you can find it. Champ HB-303N, their X29 set can be used but
you might have to do some data splicing.

I'll have a prototype article on the X28 in Mainline Modeler later
this year; I plan on doing an article in TKM on modeling these cars
as well (it'll be a while, as I still have to build the models).


Ben Hom


Re: PRR ??3353

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Jan 9, 2005, at 11:16 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:

Rob it looks like and X28a to me, car number appears to be 123353
which matches a number assigned to a X28a. X28a's were rebuilt from
1-1/2 door X28 cars.  The X28 was slightly taller than the X29 built
originally for automobile trade. Rob's website has some more
information http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=X28

Brian J. carlson

I would agree and add that the paint out above the PENNSYLVANIA is
"AUTOMOBILES". It looks like you can see the fresh paint where the
left 1/2 door was removed (note that the last letter or two of
PENNSYLVANIA appears brighter too). Also note that the second grab on
the left has yet to be applied.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: BUILDING CRAFTSMAN KITS

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

If you've built wooden kits, you're in good shape for building a
resin kit. Just substitute ACC for "Goo" and throw away your bottle
of sanding sealer!

Phil Buchwald



--- In STMFC@..., "ponef0" <fje63@e...> wrote:

Can anyone recommend a good primer on building the newer resin or
urethane kits? Any suggestions for an easy first kit? I haven't
built anything for quite a while and am more familiar with the
older
wood ones.

Thanks,

Frank


Re: Some photos uploaded

thetrainman00@...
 

How can gain access to these photos?

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf
Modeling the CNJ L&S Div, in the 60s & 70s


Re: Photos picked up today

Bill Kelly
 

I'd just like to say thanks for sharing these with us.
I don't know where the best place to put them is.
The STMFPH seems good to me since there is no loss of quality.
I can't wait to see the remainder of the SP and SSW stuff.
Thanks again,
Bill Kelly


Bob Webber wrote:

OK, is there an opinion as to where would be the best place to post
these
so as to keep them around and useful for those wanting them? Is the
Fallen
Flags location a good place? Accessible to the most people?


Re: PRR ??3353

Brian Carlson
 

Rob it looks like and X28a to me, car number appears to be 123353 which matches a number assigned to a X28a. X28a's were rebuilt from 1-1/2 door X28 cars. The X28 was slightly taller than the X29 built originally for automobile trade. Rob's website has some more information http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=X28

Brian J. carlson

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
I am attempting to identify another freight car that showed up in the CPR waterfront yard in Vancouver, this one Aug 1, 1947. I'm not able to make out the first two digits in the car number on this steel single door box car. The flat riveted ends make me think its an X29 of some sort - though I've reasons to wonder if something different. Why? Some observations: there is what appears to be a new panel left of the door - makes me wonder about a double door car converted to single door. Also, there appears to be some writing that went across two or three panels that has been painted over - its located above the car number. Do these signify some sort of change?

A scan can be found in the STMFPC list files section by the name Pennsy, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/

Help with identifying the car, online photo links and modelling clues would be appreciated.

Rob Kirkham





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PRR ??3353

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I am attempting to identify another freight car that showed up in the CPR waterfront yard in Vancouver, this one Aug 1, 1947. I'm not able to make out the first two digits in the car number on this steel single door box car. The flat riveted ends make me think its an X29 of some sort - though I've reasons to wonder if something different. Why? Some observations: there is what appears to be a new panel left of the door - makes me wonder about a double door car converted to single door. Also, there appears to be some writing that went across two or three panels that has been painted over - its located above the car number. Do these signify some sort of change?

A scan can be found in the STMFPC list files section by the name Pennsy, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/

Help with identifying the car, online photo links and modelling clues would be appreciated.

Rob Kirkham


Some photos uploaded

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

I loaded some photos into the file section on the STMFC Photos group - including the P&LE, MILW, DT&I, M&W, A&CE


Re: B&LE box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Not easy to model, because of those 7'3" doors. These are the cars
remembered by modelers for their bright orange paint schemes when they
were refurbished and renumbered in 1961. I think the RPI web site has
a builder photo, and Soph Marty has shared some nice color shots of
them on his mailing list.

http://f6.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kNPhQdgWCQthE8jPx4HwboiZUSqwmYZk6lQ_Eb_GE-31eSaJlEQwGby9n8ihuzlm1s65LoZzcwAZjTGTdd6aQP152gi1/BandLE%2091366%209-9-1959%20WP.jpg


Re: Photos picked up today

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

I loaded the B&LE box to the STMFC Photo group file section

At 05:58 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

Bob, I'd be inserested in seeing the B&LE car, once you take away their hoppers and gons their freight car fleet wasn't that big, so I am interested to see what made it to oakland.

Brian J Carlson


Re: Photos picked up today

Tim O'Connor
 

At 08:16 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

OK, is there an opinion as to where would be the best place to post these
so as to keep them around and useful for those wanting them? Is the Fallen
Flags location a good place? Accessible to the most people?
Fallen Flags probably is the most reliable, but he seems to downgrade
photo quality to save storage space. You can store any pictures you
want in the steameraboxcars files area -- which I created specifically
to share photos. (It's a no-mail group.) It is:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/steameraboxcars/

My favorite photo sharing site is http://www.pbase.com of which an example
is http://www.pbase.com/espeef5/misc_freight_cars But you have to pay for
your space there.

There also is http://community.webshots.com/ which is used by Jim Sands
and others to share photos.

Tim O.


Re: Photos picked up today

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

OK, is there an opinion as to where would be the best place to post these so as to keep them around and useful for those wanting them? Is the Fallen Flags location a good place? Accessible to the most people?


Re: Photos picked up today

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

Answering a variety of questions:

AA 1095 Box
SP 10340 GS gon
SPMW 3809 Supply car
SPMW T0203 water tank
SPMW 3721 3 comp tank
MILW 20965 box
SP&S 14123 box
N&W 44043 box
SPMW 1647 (ice car
Swift SRLX 7610
MobilGas WEOX 734 (White Eagle Oil)
A&EC 936 Box
SA 832 Box
SFRD 11194
BCK 2997
NWX 15225 (North Western Reefrigerator)
Erie 78246 Box
CofG 7428 Box
M&W 1301 box
WP 20781 Box
SP 123483 Box
D&RGW 50946 Box
M&W 1315 box
L&N 16688 box
WP MW 14 weed killer spray
DT&I 12000 box ("round roof" box)
D&SL 62752 box
SP 692006 box
TNO 70287 box
B&LE 91366 Box
D&M 2825 box
GN 27198 box (new Goat)
D&H 22009 box
Wilson 2039 WCLX reefer
NH 45006 box
Sou 263365 box
SP 258 cab
SP 173 cab
SP MW 1353 B&B flat
ATSF 192449 (1888 gon - rubbish car
C&S 4472 (NG gon)
Uintah 307 NG Gon
WIF 301 box
TT STTX 473300 TOFC
P&LE 22867 box
SSW 35431 box
SP 595 cab
Milw 17815 box
Milw 18081 box


Re: Photos picked up today

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Bob Webber wrote:

Since I couldn't make it to CB, I made it to the local train show and
picked up some photos taken in 1959. What is amazing is that there was
someone who was taking photos of freight equipment in West Oakland in 1959
- beyond the unusual (or at least, beyond the diesels, steam, Key system,
passenger stuff, etc. etc.). So I picked up some 70 photos of freight cars
(and other things) all dating to 1959 most taken in West Oakland in
1959. They all aren't great photos, but the subjects make up for it.

I posted two today, the New Haven and the Southern cars. In addition,
there are cars from the Ann Arbor,SP, TNO, SP, WP, Milw (Rib side),N&W,
SP&S, Swift, MobilGas, A&EC,S&A, ATSF,BCK,CNW,CofG,Erie, Wilson,
D&H,GN,D&M, B&LE, D&SL, DT&I , M&W, L&N - a nice variety. I'll be posting
more if there is interest as I get time to scan them. Most are boxes, some
reefers, a couple tanks.
Bob,

The diversity of owners among boxcars in your 1959 Oakland pics should not be unusual on account of them being reloading on foreign roads for destinations on other foreign roads. Since both Swift & Wilson had meat distribution points in the Oakland area, there should be nothing unusual about their reefers being present there. What were the reporting marks of the MobilGas tank car? Mobil was in the process of increasing their fleet in 1959 while reducing the number of tanks that they were leasing from UTLX.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Photos picked up today

Brian Carlson
 

Bob, I'd be inserested in seeing the B&LE car, once you take away their hoppers and gons their freight car fleet wasn't that big, so I am interested to see what made it to oakland.

Brian J Carlson

Bob Webber <rswebber@...> wrote:
Since I couldn't make it to CB, I made it to the local train show and
picked up some photos taken in 1959. What is amazing is that there was
someone who was taking photos of freight equipment in West Oakland in 1959
- beyond the unusual (or at least, beyond the diesels, steam, Key system,
passenger stuff, etc. etc.). So I picked up some 70 photos of freight cars
(and other things) all dating to 1959 most taken in West Oakland in
1959. They all aren't great photos, but the subjects make up for it.

I posted two today, the New Haven and the Southern cars. In addition,
there are cars from the Ann Arbor,SP, TNO, SP, WP, Milw (Rib side),N&W,
SP&S, Swift, MobilGas, A&EC,S&A, ATSF,BCK,CNW,CofG,Erie, Wilson,
D&H,GN,D&M, B&LE, D&SL, DT&I , M&W, L&N - a nice variety. I'll be posting
more if there is interest as I get time to scan them. Most are boxes, some
reefers, a couple tanks.

The guy had a light leak in the shutter, but most of the photos still
turned out ok. The other photos (not of freight cars) were of WP diesels,
WP MOW, SP cabooses, SP MOW and the like. Tony, if you're interested in
the caboose photos, let me know off list, and I'll send scans to you.


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Re: New Haven 45006

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

I took some time and went back to see how to join the photos group - and joined. So any subsequent photos I post will be there. Thanks!

At 04:32 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

Bob:
I removed three of my photos in the files section so there is nearly a meg.


Gene Deimling

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Webber [mailto:rswebber@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:06 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Haven 45006


I would, but not a member

At 01:59 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

Try the files section of the photo STMFC group.
--

Brian Ehni


From: Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:59:03 -0600
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Haven 45006


At 01:55 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

I thought there was also a thread on State of Maine cars - I loaded a
New
Haven car, built 6-1953, shown 9-16-1959 - New Haven 45006
Had to add it to the Photo section as the file section is out of space





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Photos picked up today

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

Since I couldn't make it to CB, I made it to the local train show and picked up some photos taken in 1959. What is amazing is that there was someone who was taking photos of freight equipment in West Oakland in 1959 - beyond the unusual (or at least, beyond the diesels, steam, Key system, passenger stuff, etc. etc.). So I picked up some 70 photos of freight cars (and other things) all dating to 1959 most taken in West Oakland in 1959. They all aren't great photos, but the subjects make up for it.

I posted two today, the New Haven and the Southern cars. In addition, there are cars from the Ann Arbor,SP, TNO, SP, WP, Milw (Rib side),N&W, SP&S, Swift, MobilGas, A&EC,S&A, ATSF,BCK,CNW,CofG,Erie, Wilson, D&H,GN,D&M, B&LE, D&SL, DT&I , M&W, L&N - a nice variety. I'll be posting more if there is interest as I get time to scan them. Most are boxes, some reefers, a couple tanks.

The guy had a light leak in the shutter, but most of the photos still turned out ok. The other photos (not of freight cars) were of WP diesels, WP MOW, SP cabooses, SP MOW and the like. Tony, if you're interested in the caboose photos, let me know off list, and I'll send scans to you.


Re: New Haven 45006

Eugene Deimling <gene48@...>
 

Bob:
I removed three of my photos in the files section so there is nearly a meg.


Gene Deimling

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From: Bob Webber [mailto:rswebber@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:06 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Haven 45006


I would, but not a member

At 01:59 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

Try the files section of the photo STMFC group.
--

Brian Ehni


From: Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:59:03 -0600
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Haven 45006


At 01:55 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

I thought there was also a thread on State of Maine cars - I loaded a
New
Haven car, built 6-1953, shown 9-16-1959 - New Haven 45006
Had to add it to the Photo section as the file section is out of space





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Re: New Haven 45006

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

I would, but not a member

At 01:59 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

Try the files section of the photo STMFC group.
--

Brian Ehni


From: Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:59:03 -0600
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Haven 45006


At 01:55 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

I thought there was also a thread on State of Maine cars - I loaded a New
Haven car, built 6-1953, shown 9-16-1959 - New Haven 45006
Had to add it to the Photo section as the file section is out of space





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Re: New Haven 45006

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Try the files section of the photo STMFC group.
--

Brian Ehni

From: Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:59:03 -0600
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Haven 45006


At 01:55 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

I thought there was also a thread on State of Maine cars - I loaded a New
Haven car, built 6-1953, shown 9-16-1959 - New Haven 45006
Had to add it to the Photo section as the file section is out of space





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