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Re: MDC 50 ft. single sheathed box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

A friend of mine, Leo Landry, cut up a couple dozen Walthers
50 foot single sheathed cars to make 40 foot cars. His cuts
were more complicated... I'll try to get a description next
time I see him.

Tim O.

Garth Groff wrote:
"Interesting idea, but cut it down to make what?"

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/wabssautomain.html

Ben Hom


Re: MDC 50 ft. single sheathed box cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Garth Groff wrote:
"Interesting idea, but cut it down to make what?"

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/wabssautomain.html


Ben Hom


Re: MDC 50 ft. single sheathed box cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ed Mines asked:
"Does the original version of this car have a separate roof?"

No.


"Has anyone tried to cut these down to 40 ft cars?"

John Nehrich has, though I'm not sure if he finished the kitbash.
Basically, he cut apart the body to make a flat kit, then cut out
one panel from each end of the carside. The panels are only 4 1/2
ft long, so you'll end up cutting out only 9 ft. It is an alternate
approach for the WAB SS auto boxcars if you don't want to search for
the last run of Funaro kits or wait for the reissued kits.

I've uploaded a before and after photo to the files section [MDC 50
ft SS XM cut down to 40 ft (John Nehrich).jpg] showing the cuts.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/


Ben Hom


Re: MDC 50 ft. single sheathed box cars

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Ed,

Interesting idea, but cut it down to make what? No, the car is a one-piece body, as is typical of MDC. Even the doors were cast in place, actually an improvement over their previous efforts--no claws. And by the way, it comes in two versions, with and without end auto doors. The WP had both.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

ed_mines wrote:

Does the original version of this car have a separate roof? Has anyone tried to cut these down to 40 ft. cars?
Ed


New file uploaded to STMFC

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Re: STMFC RE: BCK flour loading

Tim O'Connor
 

Practices changed over time, Jeff. 1968 is not 1958, or 1948. Don't
take my word for it, check your calendar.

It is highly unlikely that a car that was bulk loaded with flour
would be reloaded for any other purpose. The empty cars must have
been crawling with vermin and rats by the time they got back to
Buffalo. Ugh.

It does explain how rat droppings get into Cheerios...

Tim O.

P.S. There are quite a number of historical web sites on flour
milling in the U.S. Barrels were still in use in the STMFC era.

Well, this certainly puts to rest a lot of the speculation! It appears
that flour was loaded in bulk, as well as (on other RR's) in bags. Was it
also shipped in barrels? Did barrels become obsolete after a particular
era?

Regards,

-Jeff

Subject: [STMFC] STMFC RE: BCK flour loading

Hello,
Had to chime in here where I don't usually tread, but at one time
in my RR career I worked as a brakeman on the Buffalo Creek RR or "The
Crik" as locals called it. At this point in time(1968, not steam era, I
know), the only method of loading flour that I saw was with a couple 2
x 4's nailed across the door opening on the inside and heavy cardboard
stapled to it with an 18" or so opening at the top (probably to enable
the workman who was inside stapling up the cardboard to get out and also
as the opening for the loading hose).


MDC 50 ft. single sheathed box cars

ed_mines
 

Does the original version of this car have a separate roof? Has
anyone tried to cut these down to 40 ft. cars?

Ed


Re: STMFC RE: BCK flour loading

jaley <jaley@...>
 

Well, this certainly puts to rest a lot of the speculation! It appears
that flour was loaded in bulk, as well as (on other RR's) in bags. Was it
also shipped in barrels? Did barrels become obsolete after a particular
era?

Regards,

-Jeff

On Jan 18, 10:12am, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:
Subject: [STMFC] STMFC RE: BCK flour loading

Hello,
Had to chime in here where I don't usually tread, but at one time
in my RR career I worked as a brakeman on the Buffalo Creek RR or "The
Crik" as locals called it. At this point in time(1968, not steam era, I
know), the only method of loading flour that I saw was with a couple 2
x 4's nailed across the door opening on the inside and heavy cardboard
stapled to it with an 18" or so opening at the top (probably to enable
the workman who was inside stapling up the cardboard to get out and also
as the opening for the loading hose).
--
Jeff Aley jaley@pcocd2.intel.com
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


STMFC RE: BCK flour loading

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hello,
Had to chime in here where I don't usually tread, but at one time in my RR career I worked as a brakeman on the Buffalo Creek RR or "The Crik" as locals called it. At this point in time(1968, not steam era, I know), the only method of loading flour that I saw was with a couple 2 x 4's nailed across the door opening on the inside and heavy cardboard stapled to it with an 18" or so opening at the top (probably to enable the workman who was inside stapling up the cardboard to get out and also as the opening for the loading hose).
I guess the theory was that the density of the flour was sufficient to somewhat seal against leakage once it was loaded. Obviously some spilled out and we had our share of rats to attest to the spillage. I never saw any bagged flour during my time there. Things might have been done differently in the steam era and if you look at the BCK logo it has a bag of flour within the circle.
Lastly, yes, we did get these cars "returned empty to Buffalo, NY" as stenciled. Perhaps a few escaped those instructions over the years.
Bud Rindfleisch
Hamburg, N.Y.


Cocoa Beach handouts

jerryglow2
 

Any clinicians have the handouts from the meet available online for
those who were unable to attend?

Jerry
from Florida but unable to attend...


Re: WP 50' SS Automobile car modelling questions

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Richard and friends,

Thanks for the clarification. As for the WP, the first delivered cars with silver/aluminum lettering were series 6601-6800 Greenville mill gondolas which began arriving in May 1949 (as offered by Proto 2000). There might have been a few repainted cars done with silver/aluminum lettering before this, possibly as a test, but they have escaped notice.

The WP's silver/aluminum lettering era lasted from May 1949 to September 1955, when 50' PS-1s arrived with the all-yellow "Feather River Route" scheme. However, the WP was extremely parsimonious about repainting cars, and a few with silver/aluminum lettering were still around long enough to be scrapped by the UP after the merger.

Since the 20551-20800 boxcars Richard mentions were delivered in 1947, it is doubtful if many were relettered with silver/aluminum paint, unless rebuilt from wreck damage. Their original paint would have been just eight years old at the end of the silver/aluminum paint era.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff



Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Gart Groff wrote:


Interestingly, Richard Hendrickson found some evidence that the WP's
1947 AAR boxcars (series 20551-20800) wore aluminum lettering. Richard's
research led to Branchline producing a special run of these cars in
silver lettering. Branchline's production models of these cars have
white lettering, which is how they appear in photos (though very
grimey). Perhaps Richard would care to comment on this point.
No, Garth, you've got it backwards. The 1947 cars were delivered with
white lettering but got aluminum lettering (as did other WP freight cars)
when repainted after ca. 1948. Branchline's original production version of
these cars had aluminum lettering, but I arranged with them to do a special
production run with the as-delivered white lettering as a convention car
for the Pacific Coast Region NMRA. I still have a very small number of
those kits, if there's anyone out there who wants one and didn't get one
from the PCR.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Cocoa Beach

George A. Walls
 

I don't think Richard has ever been in attendance at the "World's
Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party" sometimes refered to as the Gator
Bowl. All entertainment included.

George A. Walls
"How 'Bout Them Dogs"









In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson .."How bout them
Vols!!"

Please, Mike, let's not go there. The sports bar scene is an
American male
tribal ritual we can well do without. Forget football and bring
on the
dancing girls.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Cocoa Beach

Richard Hendrickson
 

Mike Brock sez:

Ah ha. Tony no doubt refers to the absence of multitudes of folk
appearing even more unsavory than Pennsy [ or other unnamed northeastern
railroads ] modelers who for no known reason suddenly come to their feet
bellowing out..."War Eagle!!!" or "Roll Tide!!!" Certainly we will not
allow such behavior at such a class gathering as Prototype Rails.
Instead...hopefully next yr...I'll have many of my own tribe jump to THEIR
feet upon command and ring out with several versions of "Rocky Top" as
in..."How bout them Vols!!"
Please, Mike, let's not go there. The sports bar scene is an American male
tribal ritual we can well do without. Forget football and bring on the
dancing girls.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: WP 50' SS Automobile car modelling questions

oliver
 

Richard,
Given that I have only undec. cars which paint and decals would you
recommend for the WP scheme in early 1950s?
Stefan Lerché
Duncan BC Canada



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>
wrote:
From Stefan Lerché:
I'm building a trio of these cars in the WP#12001-50 series from the
MDC #2150 kits as per Page Porter's article in the July 1995 Mainline
Modeller and following on John Ryczkowski's prototype article in the
March 1995 MM.
What brake wheels did the WP cars have? It appears to be an Equipco in
Page's article but there is no mention of it.
In the builder's photo of WP 12148, the hand brake appears to be an
early
Ajax.

Is there another better source for the Symington trucks with the
Barber lateral motion device than the MDC trucks? John mentions that
the MDC trucks are ok but they seem crude. Do the MDC trucks represent
symington cast friction bearing trucks?
Probably not. The MDC trucks don't have the lateral motion devices
(nor do
any other HO scale trucks) and don't model the prototype trucks' five
spring arrangement with a center spring, but their side configuration is
closer than any other HO scale truck.

Did any other railroads have clones?
No exact duplicates, but cars owned by T&P (with steel doors) and MoPac
(with wood doors) were very similar and can be modeled with MDC
kits. See
my article on both the prototypes and the models in the July 1995
issue of
Railmodel Journal.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: WP 50' SS Automobile car modelling questions

oliver
 

Did MDC ever issue the cars with full height end doors? If so, Andy,
I'll take some.
Stefan Lerché
Duncan BC Canada

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carlson <midcentury@s...> wrote:
Mike,
I have a sorce for these cars at attractive close-out
prices. Seems that MDC inventory can't be purged fast
enough after a "Horizon takeover".
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Mike Brock <brockm@b...> wrote:


The real issue might be...does MDC [ now Athearn ]
actually still make these cars [ including non WP
versions ]? I can't find any reference to them
anywhere I've looked..

Mike Brock





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Re: Question about milk/dairy rail operations.

Paul Gehrett
 

Thanks for the replies.

Paul Gehrett


Re: Cocoa Beach

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tony Thompson says, with regard to the bar where many important steam era frt car [ frt car content, of course ] issues are commonly settled:

I hope, in fact, that the NEW bar will be far superior to the
OLD bar, which was, let us be tactful, lame also."

Ah ha. Tony no doubt refers to the absence of multitudes of folk appearing even more unsavory than Pennsy [ or other unnamed northeastern railroads ] modelers who for no known reason suddenly come to their feet bellowing out..."War Eagle!!!" or "Roll Tide!!!" Certainly we will not allow such behavior at such a class gathering as Prototype Rails. Instead...hopefully next yr...I'll have many of my own tribe jump to THEIR feet upon command and ring out with several versions of "Rocky Top" as in..."How bout them Vols!!"
Mike Brock


Re: WP 50' SS Automobile car modelling questions

Andy Carlson
 

Mike,
I have a sorce for these cars at attractive close-out
prices. Seems that MDC inventory can't be purged fast
enough after a "Horizon takeover".
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Mike Brock <brockm@brevard.net> wrote:


The real issue might be...does MDC [ now Athearn ]
actually still make these cars [ including non WP
versions ]? I can't find any reference to them
anywhere I've looked..

Mike Brock





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Re: Cocoa Beach

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jeff Aley wrote:
While this is true, I hasten to point out that the bar was
sub-standard because it was a temporary set-up caused by the hurricanes
that damaged the hotel last year. By the time we return for Prototype
Rails '06, we will have a REAL bar available. I call upon Drs. Anspach
and Thompson to take the inititive to exceed our previous standards for
debauchery.
Challenge accepted. I did not mean to imply other than the facts as stated by Jeff, namely the ongoing reconstruction and repair of the hotel. I hope, in fact, that the NEW bar will be far superior to the OLD bar, which was, let us be tactful, lame also.

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2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Cocoa Beach

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee says:

"The Western Prototype Modelers meeting had the problem solved with some plastic
pipe extensions, which fit over the bottom of the folding legs of the tables. I
will find out more."

I did note that Bethlehem Car Works used such devices to elevate their display this yr. It IS something we should consider. The problem is...there are literally hundreds of other things to consider during preparations for the meet.
I have to laugh. Mike Rose asked me about a manufacturer that was here last yr. I said, "Well, I've never met him." Mike responded..."Odd, I have a photo of you talking with him in your house." That should give you some idea of the state of my mental health during a meet and why we may let something fall through the "crack".

Incidentally, I just signed the contract for next yr. It includes two newly built clinic rooms giving us 5 legitimate rooms...all on the ground floor. Yes, the new bar will be ready as well as completely new restaurant facilities.

Now all we need are the 60 ft Harriman baggage cars from SC&F and the 2 new frt cars he has promised. Heelllooooo Jon. Actually, for those that missed this yr's event, a preproduction Harriman car was there for viewing. Looked quite nice. I want 5.

Mike Brock








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