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Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers

Brian Carlson
 

Atlas did a PS-2 in this version and I think a photo of one appeared in a PS-2 article in RMJ back when the Atlas and/or KAdee cars came out.

either here, Pullman-Standard 70-ton PS-2 Two-Bay Covered Hoppers from Atlas or MDC kits
Railmodel Journal, April 1995 page 4
or
Pullman-Standard PS-2 two-bay covered hoppers from Kadee models
Railmodel Journal, December 2003 page 11

I bet Bob's photo's has this car also.

Brian J Carlson

"Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...> wrote:
List,

Does anyone know of a source for photographs of
"Boraxo" covered hoppers? They would be in lease
markings with "BORAXO" billboard lettering.I don't
need a scan, just want to know who might have them
for sale.

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


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Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers

SamClarke
 

Hello Shawn Becket,

Bobs' Photo has a photo of NAHX #31060 with the large Boraxo paint
scheme. S-Helper did this car in "S" scale but unfortunately used the wrong
body style. The car has the 1954-56 channel end ribs and the early less
common narrow hatch spacing with the notched hatch straps. Because of the
narrow hatch spacing we will not be doing this car in the near future, or
maybe even the distance future.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers



Brian Carlson wrote:

Atlas did a PS-2 in this version and I think a photo
of one appeared in a PS-2 article in RMJ back when
the Atlas and/or KAdee cars came out.
IIRC Atlas did do this paint and lettering scheme, but
I'd much prefer having it on a Kadee PS-2 rather than
the Atlas car. Fortunately Champion makes decals for this
car; the problem is *which* Kadee car to use. There are
different versions, with the ribs and roof hatches being
different on each one. This is why I'd like to have a good
photo - not that I'd ever find one showing roof details...

Shawn Beckert




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Re: Single-Compartment GATC Airslide Hopper Kits

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

I have an old Con-Cor kit with mostly wood components. It does have
preprinted sheet plastic sides. I think the address was in Chicago
proper.

Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timboconnor@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Single-Compartment GATC Airslide Hopper Kits



Shawn, a long time ago I took a good look at the kits from
Concor, ECW, and Walthers, as well as Overland brass models.
I posted the results somewhere or other on the FCL or STMFC,
I forget where... I do recall I concluded that (1) all of
the models are flawed and (2) the Concor model was the best
one to use, given the various tradeoffs. Avoid the Walthers
model, it is the worst of the bunch.

Tim O.


Who besides Eastern Car Works made the single-compartment
Airslide covered hopper in H.O.? Walthers, or someone else?
And if it *was* Walthers, can I assume that the Eastern Car
Works version was probably the better kit?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert





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Re: Wabash to the B&O at Decatur

Michael Aufderheide
 

Chet,

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. Any idea
how these were routed. UP to Council Bluffs? Were
these cars part of block dropped at Decatur from a
train going through to the east?

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide
--- Chet French <cfrench@...> wrote:


While looking for something else, which I did not
find, I came upon a
list of perishable loads delivered to the B&O from
the Wabash at
Decatur, IL, between April 13th and 23rd, 1951
destined to
Indianapolis. Hope it will be of interest to some.

4/13 PFE 2698 Vegts
4/13 PFE 73087 Vegts
4/13 PFE 66779 Vegts
4/14 PFE 62605 Spuds
4/15 PFE 67017 Lettuce
4/15 PFE 98318 Spuds
4/15 PFE 7588 Carrots
4/15 PFE 68032 Lettuce
4/16 PFE 43022 Lettuce
4/16 MDT 23668 Lettuce
4/16 PFE 98538 Lettuce
4/17 PFE 66402 Carrots
4/17 MDT 7178 Onions
4/17 PFE 93742 Onions
4/18 PFE 38633 Can Gds
4/18 PFE 98413 Spuds
4/18 PFE 97992 Lettuce
4/18 PFE 96500 Spuds
4/18 PFE 3680 Lettuce
4/18 PFE 40658 Lettuce
4/19 PFE 61266 Spuds
4/19 PFE 4694 Spuds
4/19 NWX 70052 Can Gds
4/19 SFRD 34071 Lettuce
4/20 PFE 90355 Spuds
4/21 PFE 75355 Lettuce
4/21 PFE 66468 Spuds
4/21 PFE 2988 Lettuce
4/21 PFE 90355 Spuds
4/22 PFE 97736 Spuds
4/22 PFE 76111 Lettuce
4/22 PFE 64158 Spuds
4/22 ART 24467 Lettuce
4/23 PFE 42032 Carrots

Chet French
Dixon, IL







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"Boraxo" Covered Hoppers

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

Does anyone know of a source for photographs of
"Boraxo" covered hoppers? They would be in lease
markings with "BORAXO" billboard lettering.I don't
need a scan, just want to know who might have them
for sale.

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


VIsit to Wilbur Whittaker

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

List members may like to know that Will is still doing fine these days; I went to visit this morning. He has now passed his 97th birthday, so is well ahead of most of us on this list <g>. We talked all sorts of railroad topics, though he can't speak very easily, and I dropped off a book for Anna to read to him. She mentioned Garth Groff's generosity in sending rail videos, which Will enjoys very much. He's one of the real pioneers of freight car photography, so I always enjoy a visit with him, even in his diminished state. As Anna likes to say, he was fine until he turned 92 <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Wabash to the B&O at Decatur

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Chet French wrote:
While looking for something else, which I did not find, I came upon a
list of perishable loads delivered to the B&O from the Wabash at
Decatur, IL, between April 13th and 23rd, 1951 destined to
Indianapolis. Hope it will be of interest to some.
That would make a nice train to model! Most of the cars can be done one way or another. The only "ringer" is the canned goods, since the NWX car is obviously in use as an insulated box car and would not have been iced. But it would fit into the train fine.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Station & Reweigh Symbols

Richard Hendrickson
 

I have uploaded the Station and Reweigh Symbols document to the Files
section of the list. It is in Excel and can be sorted by the various
column listings.

You will note there are still some listings that we don't have complete
data for. Any additions that I receive will be incorporated and an
updated version uploaded.
Jim, thanks for posting the list to the STMFC files. If I'd done it myself
a long time ago, it would have saved me sending out a lot of copies
individually.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Wabash to the B&O at Decatur

fuchst900
 

Chet are the "French" that owned a model RR Shop in Milton Freewater, Oregon? If you are, greetings from friends in the WW Valley

Chet French <cfrench@...> wrote:
While looking for something else, which I did not find, I came upon a
list of perishable loads delivered to the B&O from the Wabash at
Decatur, IL, between April 13th and 23rd, 1951 destined to
Indianapolis. Hope it will be of interest to some.

4/13 PFE 2698 Vegts
4/13 PFE 73087 Vegts
4/13 PFE 66779 Vegts
4/14 PFE 62605 Spuds
4/15 PFE 67017 Lettuce
4/15 PFE 98318 Spuds
4/15 PFE 7588 Carrots
4/15 PFE 68032 Lettuce
4/16 PFE 43022 Lettuce
4/16 MDT 23668 Lettuce
4/16 PFE 98538 Lettuce
4/17 PFE 66402 Carrots
4/17 MDT 7178 Onions
4/17 PFE 93742 Onions
4/18 PFE 38633 Can Gds
4/18 PFE 98413 Spuds
4/18 PFE 97992 Lettuce
4/18 PFE 96500 Spuds
4/18 PFE 3680 Lettuce
4/18 PFE 40658 Lettuce
4/19 PFE 61266 Spuds
4/19 PFE 4694 Spuds
4/19 NWX 70052 Can Gds
4/19 SFRD 34071 Lettuce
4/20 PFE 90355 Spuds
4/21 PFE 75355 Lettuce
4/21 PFE 66468 Spuds
4/21 PFE 2988 Lettuce
4/21 PFE 90355 Spuds
4/22 PFE 97736 Spuds
4/22 PFE 76111 Lettuce
4/22 PFE 64158 Spuds
4/22 ART 24467 Lettuce
4/23 PFE 42032 Carrots

Chet French
Dixon, IL






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Wabash to the B&O at Decatur

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

While looking for something else, which I did not find, I came upon a
list of perishable loads delivered to the B&O from the Wabash at
Decatur, IL, between April 13th and 23rd, 1951 destined to
Indianapolis. Hope it will be of interest to some.

4/13 PFE 2698 Vegts
4/13 PFE 73087 Vegts
4/13 PFE 66779 Vegts
4/14 PFE 62605 Spuds
4/15 PFE 67017 Lettuce
4/15 PFE 98318 Spuds
4/15 PFE 7588 Carrots
4/15 PFE 68032 Lettuce
4/16 PFE 43022 Lettuce
4/16 MDT 23668 Lettuce
4/16 PFE 98538 Lettuce
4/17 PFE 66402 Carrots
4/17 MDT 7178 Onions
4/17 PFE 93742 Onions
4/18 PFE 38633 Can Gds
4/18 PFE 98413 Spuds
4/18 PFE 97992 Lettuce
4/18 PFE 96500 Spuds
4/18 PFE 3680 Lettuce
4/18 PFE 40658 Lettuce
4/19 PFE 61266 Spuds
4/19 PFE 4694 Spuds
4/19 NWX 70052 Can Gds
4/19 SFRD 34071 Lettuce
4/20 PFE 90355 Spuds
4/21 PFE 75355 Lettuce
4/21 PFE 66468 Spuds
4/21 PFE 2988 Lettuce
4/21 PFE 90355 Spuds
4/22 PFE 97736 Spuds
4/22 PFE 76111 Lettuce
4/22 PFE 64158 Spuds
4/22 ART 24467 Lettuce
4/23 PFE 42032 Carrots

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

Can someone give me some history on Symington trucks? Who used them?
What time period? Thanks, Doug at dopear9@....
The T. H. Symington Co. of Baltimore and Chicago was a manufacturer of
railcar specialties back at least as far as the turn of the 20th century,
beginning with such cast steel items as journal boxes and covers. By the
1920s Symington had taken over the patents for Farlow draft gear from the
Farlow Co., moved to Rochester, NY, and developed a pressed steel truck
sideframe of Andrews design. By the late 1920s Symington was producing
both Vulcan-style trucks with separate journal boxes and ARA-style trucks
with integral journal boxes which used more and softer springs to improve
riding qualities, similar in concept to the Dalman design.

In the early 1930s Symington merged with the Gould Co., a long-established
manufacturer of couplers, draft gear, and truck components, to form the
Symington-Gould Co. with headquarters in New York City and main plant in
Rochester. Gould was one of the participants in the Four Wheel Railway
Truck Agreement of the early 1930s, which pooled development costs and
manufacturing rights for the self-aligning spring-plankless version of the
AAR standard truck, and manufactured several variations on this design.
Included among these variations were double-truss trucks with boxed-in
lower side frame chords.

The Symington branch of the company designed and produced coil-elliptic
spring groups for use in Gould's trucks in which four coil springs flanked
a center elliptical leaf spring which damped out harmonics. Trucks with
coil-elliptic springing weren't exclusive to Symington-Gould - Buckeye and
other truck makers also offered them - but Symington-Gould was their most
prominent exponent in the 1930s and '40s. S-G also developed a high speed
truck for express cars which incorporated coil-elliptic springing for each
journal box, as well as between the side frames and bolster, with the
journal boxes moving vertically in pedestal jaws.

After WW II, with many railroads adopting the Barber Stabilized and ASF A-3
truck designs which incorporated built-in bolster snubbers, Symington-Gould
developed their own similar "double stabilized" truck, as well as building
A-3 and Barber Stabilized trucks under license from ASF and the Standard
Car Truck Co. S-G also developed a second-generation type XL high speed
express truck and was licensed to produce the Chrysler FR-5-E high speed
freight car truck with hydraulic shock absorbers. All this in addition to
manufacturing car trucks of other types, including span-bolster trucks for
high-capacity flat cars. S-G was also among the earliest truck
manufacturers to offer pedestal-jaw Barber Stabilized, ASF A-3, and
Chrysler design side frames for the application of roller bearings.

In short, there's no short answer to Doug's question. Symington-Gould
manufactured trucks and truck components of many different designs over a
period of several decades, their products were widely used by many
different railroads, and the Symington name was associated with a number of
different design trends and innovations.



Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: RE Cocoa Beach

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Chet French says about Cocoa Beach:

"If Mike can guarantee sunshine
and 80 degree temps again, just might do it again next year."

Is there any doubt? Just don't come down in September. To quote a September Patrick Air Force Base weather forecast recording:

"For tomorrow, partly cloudy with rain showers most of the day with winds gusting to 125 knots."

But...to the point...where else will you get the beer owed you by Jim Singer?

Mike Brock








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Re: CP minibox kitbash

mcindoefalls
 

Here's the part that ties this into the MDC 50ft car string:
I've got three of these cars, one of them is to try to cobble up a
CP "minibox", using the roof from the MDC car. I'd like to use the
ends from a Red Caboose X29, if they are compatable. Same number of
corrugations.... (I don't like the quality of the F&C minibox end
castings.)

Regards,
Phil Buchwald
I had once started to kitbash a batch of CP miniboxes using the Santa
Fe steel reefer by C&BT Shops as a starting point. The Intermountain
Santa Fe reefer shell might be an even better starting point, also
having the reverse Dreadnaught end. Overall, the Santa Fe reefer body
is quite close to the CP box dimensionally, and the door is even the
right size (therefore, so are the body panels). I don't remember
which roof I intended to use; maybe the Central Valley NP stock car
roof.

Walt Lankenau


RE Cocoa Beach

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

I was probably the last one to get home from Cocoa Beach, arriving in
Dixon two nites ago. This was my first time attending the CB meet
and my wife and I had a great time. Thank you Mike Brock and your
Florida crew and your trusty sidekick Jeff Aley for a good meet. And
thank you to Mike and his gracious wife for opening their home to a
crowd on Thursday evening. The somewhat slower pace and the smaller
crowd made visiting with the usual suspects, Rydarowitz, Vaughn, and
Singer, who still owes me a beer, much more enjoyable. I enjoyed the
clinics, even going to a few that I had seen in Naperville. Got to
meet a few more of the STMFC' ers, and enjoyed a few meals with the
Darnaby's, Switzer's and Anspach's. If Mike can guarantee sunshine
and 80 degree temps again, just might do it again next year.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Station & Reweigh Symbols

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

I have uploaded the Station and Reweigh Symbols document to the Files section of the list. It is in Excel and can be sorted by the various column listings.

You will note there are still some listings that we don't have complete data for. Any additions that I receive will be incorporated and an updated version uploaded.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD


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Bachmann Climax

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Got mine today from Walthers. Can¹t wait to get it home to test run it. I
did have to adjust some of the electrical wipers here at the office, though.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



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Re: Single-Compartment GATC Airslide Hopper Kits

Tim O'Connor
 

Shawn, a long time ago I took a good look at the kits from
Concor, ECW, and Walthers, as well as Overland brass models.
I posted the results somewhere or other on the FCL or STMFC,
I forget where... I do recall I concluded that (1) all of
the models are flawed and (2) the Concor model was the best
one to use, given the various tradeoffs. Avoid the Walthers
model, it is the worst of the bunch.

Tim O.

Who besides Eastern Car Works made the single-compartment
Airslide covered hopper in H.O.? Walthers, or someone else?
And if it *was* Walthers, can I assume that the Eastern Car
Works version was probably the better kit?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


Table Legs

Douglas Harding <d.harding@...>
 

Not all banquet (standard 8' length) table legs are the same. Here is a page
from Monroe Tables, an Iowa manufacturer of church and banquet tables.
http://www.monroetables.com/catalogPDFs/legStyleIndex.pdf
As you see they offer a variety of table leg styles. Some that would be easy
to modify with the PVC pipe leg extensions, others not so. Most normal
tables will be a nominal 30" height. As we well know 42-54" height is
preferred for close up viewing of Steam Era Freight Car models. While
available, few hotels, convention centers are going to have tables with
height adjustable legs. Some rental or catering firms may have tables with
adjustable legs (they are available, just more expensive). Many will be the
straight vertical or horizontal leg styles, but some may have the preferred
"U" shaped leg that can be easily modified with the pipe extensions. When
booking a facility ask to see their typical table before signing a contract.
If the facility needs to rent tables for your function, request tables with
a leg style you can adjust or adapt.

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com/
Near an expert with church banquet tables.


Re: Single-Compartment GATC Airslide Hopper Kits

sctry <jgreedy@...>
 

I think Ambroid did a wood craftsman kit while E&B Valley produced
the flat kit before Eastern Car Works bought the tooling. And yes,
Walthers did offer a single air slide.

J. Greedy

--- In STMFC@..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
wrote:
Guys,

Who besides Eastern Car Works made the single-compartment
Airslide covered hopper in H.O.? Walthers, or someone else?
And if it *was* Walthers, can I assume that the Eastern Car
Works version was probably the better kit?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert

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