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Re: History of ORER

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ron Rudnick wrote:
The collection at the CRSM begins circa 1915-1920 and continues on from there.
Nope. The earliest at CSRM is 1898, and they have most issues from then into the 1970s. Stanford's collection does date back to the first issue in 1885, but I'm told they no longer permit photocopying of these old and fragile books.

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Re: Water for steam

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Charles Morrill wrote:
The SP also used MOW tank cars of water behind steam locos sometimes. On
both the standard gauge and narrow gauge lines.
But I think those were auxiliary tenders, not shipments to distant water tanks.

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Re: Freight Tariffs

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Phil Buchwald wrote:
In general terms, how were shippers charged for the railroad's
services. In particular, a shipper has 3/4ths of a 1944 box car
volume worth of widgets, but the railroad supplies a 1923 built 8
1/2 foot tall car, which gets filled to the rim with the same number
of widgets. Do the shippers get charged for "a car and up to 50 tons
times X number of miles", for "volume times weight times miles", or
what?
Most tariffs (except for tank cars) were by weight, not volume.

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Re: Perishables in Chicago

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jerry Stewart wrote:
I might add that Santa Fe was not known as
a particularly fast railroad in Chicago, or for having
very fast freight schedules to the West coast from Chicago
in the 1930's and 40's. This can be seen in a recent issue
of the Santa Fe modelers "Warbonnet" featuring the fast
freight schedules and services, if you would like to call
it that. Santa Fe was running most of the railroad with
old 2-8-2's and it shows in the timings over the road.
Omigawd! And here our friend Richard has been brainwashing us that Uncle John was ALWAYS a fast freight road!! Will wonders never cease?

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Re: Freight Tariffs

Tim O'Connor
 

Phil, no and no. It you didn't have a carload (or close to),
then you sent it l.c.l.

You might substitute two cars for one car, but it costs you
plenty. And the customer could refuse the cars. I suppose a
coal mine may not care, but if you're shipping merchandise
or machinery the car type & size might be important.

OK, I can understand it at this level. If you ordered a car, you
paid a minimum weight regardless of how small your shipment was. As
your shipment weight went up, the rate slid up accordingly.
Relating this to a model railroad, I may have to run two 40 ton
cars to a siding if I decide that there is no 50 ton car available
that day.


Re: Freight Tariffs

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

OK, I can understand it at this level. If you ordered a car, you
paid a minimum weight regardless of how small your shipment was. As
your shipment weight went up, the rate slid up accordingly.
Relating this to a model railroad, I may have to run two 40 ton
cars to a siding if I decide that there is no 50 ton car available
that day.

Of course, as my brain runs off on a tangent to this, (and this
is a BIG jump!), taking a look at the USRA cars: If the technology
had developed to the point where the 50 ton car was practical, why
didn't the USRA simply standardize on the 50 ton car? Instead, they
had standard designs in both 40 AND 50 tons capacity?
Thanks!
Phil Buchwald




I am not the expert on this, but I have studied the 1900 period of
tarrifs.

For you "widgets". The tarrif will specify a rate per hundred
pounds.
It appears you are talking about a carload rate, so we also need
to
know the minimum carload weight for widgets. If we are less then
the
carload weight, we still pay for that minimum weight. If we are
over
we payu by the hundred weight. As long as our volume of widgets
fits
the car provided, we are fine. If we requested a car based on
volume,
then some exceptions take place.

With livestock there are some execptions on the size ordered verses
the size recieved. Even in boxcar shipments, if we ordered a
100,000
lb car and had that weight to ship, and the railroad provided a
80,000
lb car, the additional 20,000 lb could be loaded in another car and
both cars would be considered as a one car shipment at the
conveniance
of the railroad.

On the grain markings you mentioned. Various grains weight in
differently, these lines mark where the load would be equal to the
cars weight capacity. These serve as a guide at the elevator for
loading.

Howard Garner


Re: Library of Congress ORER Holdings

Richard Townsend
 

While I am located on the west coast, I get to Washington, DC several times a year (coincidentally around the time of the Timonium swap meets) and almost never get anywhere near Sacramento or Palo Alto. I don't suppose UVA has any old ORERs?

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

Chris BCarkan writes:

I recall others in the past saying there were
pretty good holdings of ORERs in the New York Public library (on-line
catalogue >I think and a few other libraries and museums around the
country. �Since you
are in Oregon, perhaps someone can chime in regarding left coast locations
(Cal.Rwy Museum?).
CSRM has extensive, though not complete, ORER holdings, including some
issues before the turn of the 20th C. �Stanford has a more complete
collection, which will presumably become readily available on-line if
Goggle's ambitious scheme to digitize the entire Stanford library
materializes.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


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Lincoln City, Oregon


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Re: Rail Classics

Tim O'Connor
 

Weren't they working on PRR G31 gondolas, as well as the H2a?
If so, too bad. They were a quality importer.


History of ORER

Rudnick <spark@...>
 

The very first issue of the equipment guide was June, 1885, and was titled Sechrist's Hand-Book and Railway Equipment and Mileage Guide, within in few years the title was shortened to the Offical Railway Equipment Guide, (O. R. E. G.)and later, not sure of the date it was changed to the Official Railway Equipment Register, (O. R. E. R.)
So you have another couple of names to Google
From a few tidbits I read years ago in the Railroad Gazette, IIRC, there was talk about the necessity of such a book and there was at least one competitor, who did publish something, but the Railroad Gazette had seen had seen some samples of what Mr. Sechrist was attempting to do, and threw their weight behind his project.
The collection at the CRSM begins circa 1915-1920 and continues on from there.
For those who might need pre turn of the century rosters contact me off line, as I have a large collection of photo copies beginning with Vol. 1 #1
Ron Rudnick


Re: Library of Congress ORER Holdings

Richard Hendrickson
 

Chris BCarkan writes:

I recall others in the past saying there were
pretty good holdings of ORERs in the New York Public library (on-line
catalogue >I think and a few other libraries and museums around the
country. Since you
are in Oregon, perhaps someone can chime in regarding left coast locations
(Cal.Rwy Museum?).
CSRM has extensive, though not complete, ORER holdings, including some
issues before the turn of the 20th C. Stanford has a more complete
collection, which will presumably become readily available on-line if
Goggle's ambitious scheme to digitize the entire Stanford library
materializes.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Sunshine Models Trip to California

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Winterail is Saturday and Pleasanton is Sunday, March 13 & 14.<
Ted,
The 14th is a Monday on my calendar<G>, I suspect you mean March 12 and
13!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Off topic -ITEMS FOR SALE

cv_sne@...
 

Hello all,

After realizing that there is no more open space under the layout, in the crawl space, or in my workshop I need to make some room. Therefore I have compiled a list of items that are willing and able to go to good homes. (I tried to get this done several months ago and simply ran out of time -- this time I got the list done first!)

This list includes resin and plastic car kits, locomotives, structure kits, books, and detail parts. All HO scale. I do have some N scale items that I will be offering on the n-scale yahoo list some time in the future.

PLEASE reply to my HOME E-MAIL address -- cv_sne@... -- if you are interested in receiving a copy of the list. And leave the "ITEMS FOR SALE" subject line in your reply.

Do not reply to the list, or to my InterMountain (work address).

I will gather up the names of all interested and send the list to all sometime Monday evening (approx 6 pm Mountain Time).

Thanks, and sorry for the wasted bandwidth.

Marty


Rail Classics H-2/2a/3 project (not)

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

Well, it looks like the Broadway Limited H-2a hoppers are the only ones we'll see, beyond the Eastern Car Works' ones. Rail Classics has announced that they are getting out of the brass business.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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Larger Capacity Freight Cars

CBarkan@...
 

This is a classic economy of scale example. The higher the car's capacity,
the more efficient it is for the railroad to operate because the extra weight
does not result in a proportional increase in costs (either first cost or
operating cost). Thus the cost per ton-mile went down. Presumably this has been
the basis for the steady increase in railcar capacity over the past 150 years,
and it certainly is behind the present move from 100 to 110 ton capacity cars.
The Southern Rwy Big John hopper example (cited earlier today) is a good
case in point. The larger more efficient car meant the Southern could charge a
lower rate and still turn a profit on a commodity, thus altering the
competitive balance, much to the chagrin of Southern's competitors.

Chris

In a message dated 1/23/05 2:28:54 PM, timboconnor@... writes:

<< I am course wondering what the
big deal was about increasing car capacity from 50 to 70 to 100
tons each. Why would shippers have cared? I think it is because
they get a rate specific to each type of car, and bigger cars got
lower rates. >>


Re: Sunshine Models Trip to California

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Good morning all,

I spoke with Martin on Friday to find out if he was going to be in Maryland for the Timonium Scale Train Meet the first weekend in February and he advised that it looked like he was not going to make it due to ongoing business. He said that he and Tricia had leased a small building on the industrial side of Springfield and were in the process of getting ready to move the business to that location as soon as he could get it ready.

For many years, Tricia has been wanting to get the business out of the house as it had expanded to the point that almost all the available space was given over to storage of equipment, masters, molds, etc. In addition to this, there was always the possibility of getting as hassle from the city, if they found that they were running a commercial business from their home in a residential area. So finally they will be operating from an area that was devoted entirely to the business and having a house that was uncluttered.

I had asked Martin if he was planning to go to California for the late winter shows that he always does and he indicated that he has intentions to do so, but my guess is that his trip west will hinge on how successful the move goes and how it will affect the present order backlogs.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Station & Reweigh Symbols

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

I have posted the first revision of the Station and Reweight Symbols to the Files section of the list. This contains all of the corrections/additions that I have received to date, including extensive symbols for CN and CP supplied by John Riddell.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD


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Re: Sunshine Models Trip to California

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jan 23, 2005, at 7:31 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Do either of these meets coincide with Winterrail in Sacramento?
Tim:

Winterail is Saturday and Pleasanton is Sunday, March 13 & 14.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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Re: Sunshine Models Trip to California

Tim O'Connor
 

Do either of these meets coincide with Winterrail in Sacramento?

The meet is NOT in Monrovia this year. It is in Buena Park on March 6,
at the Holiday Inn on 7000 Beach Blvd (714-522-7000). The Sunshine
rate is $75 per night. I will post the schedule of speakers to the web
site this week. The Pleasanton meet is at the same place as always,
the week following the S. Cal. meet.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Sunshine Models Trip to California

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jan 23, 2005, at 6:53 AM, Robert Cheeks wrote:

Jay

The swap meet at OREM is Sat. March 5. I haven't heard if Martin will
be there. He usually hosts the Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meet the
next day in Monrovia.  I just checked the STMFC website calendar and
it lists the Monrovia meet on Sunday so I would guess he'll be there.
The meet is NOT in Monrovia this year. It is in Buena Park on March 6,
at the Holiday Inn on 7000 Beach Blvd (714-522-7000). The Sunshine
rate is $75 per night. I will post the schedule of speakers to the web
site this week. The Pleasanton meet is at the same place as always,
the week following the S. Cal. meet.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

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