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Re: Missouri Pacific 7100-7199 series hoppers with coke racks

Ed Hawkins
 

On Monday, January 24, 2005, at 08:03 AM, asychis@... wrote:

In the late 1950s, Missouri Pacific had 100 cars (7100-7199) fitted with coke
racks. Were these hoppers or gondolas? Doe anyone know of photos of this
series of cars with or without the coke racks? Could someone describe for me
just what a coke rack is? Anyone know of coke ovens in the Southern Illinois
area? Five of these cars were assigned to coke service out of Bush, Illinois,
from Burning Star mine, but I can find no information on coke ovens. The
majority of these cars (75) were assigned to Great Lakes out of Carondelet,
Missouri. Thanks!
Jerry,
The 4/57 ORER lists these cars as being gondola cars with no special notes about coke racks. The cars were built in mid-1956. The only photo I've seen of a car from this series was a MP builder's photo 4x5 negative in the Union Pacific Archives.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Rail Classics and Ted Reimel (Ted's Enginehouse)

steamgene@...
 

It could be that the brass market suffers from the price of the
locomotives used to pull the steam era freigth cars when
compared with the output of Bachamnn, Life-Like, BLI, and even
Con-Cor in the last few years. Well made, prototypical correct
locos at a fraction of what brass goes for sure has cut down my
brass purchasing.
Gene Moser
From: "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@...>
Date: 2005/01/24 Mon AM 01:14:20 EST
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Rail Classics and Ted Reimel (Ted's
Enginehouse)


Ted, Tim and List,

Yes, it is true, Rail Classics has folded the tent. Eddie's father
has
recently passed away and other pressures have caused him to
make the
decision to close the business. He is in the process of selling the
balance of his inventory, which is at present, quite low. All
projects,
including the PRR Business Cars, Gondolas, P5 Electric projects
and the
PRR Passenger head end and coaches that he picked up with
the close of
Rail Works have been shut down.

I am not suprised, considering the fact that the brass market is
down at
present. One look at some of the ads in MR and other
magazines for some
of the more prominent brass dealers show them carrying large
inventories
that are going nowhere.

Unfortunately, Rail Classics was probably the most exacting
importers in
the field. Eddie would not allow his manufacturer to begin
production
on any model until he received and approved the pilot model.
This was
not the case with other importers who used Samhongsa, who
had the habit
of going into production, almost on the same day that he shipped
the
pilot model and by the time that the importer attempted to correct
the
short comings, it was too late!

Hopefully, we may be able to convince Martin Lofton to bring out
the
G31 in urethane. I understand that Crown Custom Imports, who
was
supposed to bring out the PRR H33 Covered Hopper has now
delayed this
model indefinitely. Again, not surprising, considering the large
unsold
inventory that he is now sitting on. The owner is the son of the
person
who retired and closed his business, Railworks.

For those of you, who in the past had bought models from Ted
Reimel
(Ted's Enginehouse) of Pennsauken, NJ., who closed his
business and
retired two years ago: Ted passed away on January 15th. He
had been in
ill health, having had a stroke last fall which resulted in his
having
gone into a nursing home.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479







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Re: IC Hopper

Michael Aufderheide
 

Chet and Jerry,

Thank you very much for the information. Do either of
you have a diagram of this car you could share. It
would be interesting to look at a possible kitbash.

Regards,

Mike

--- Chet French <cfrench@...> wrote:


--- In STMFC@..., "Jerry" <jrs060@m...>
wrote:

Well Mike your not going to get any help from
the "West Coast
Brain Trust" on this one. What your are
discribing here is the
IC rebuild of it's USRA composite gondola cars
done at Centralia
shops in I believe 1948. They were 2 bay, and
because of the
rebuilding, low in stature height, and longer in
length than a
normal 2 bay off-set side hopper. It was simply
an easy fix of
a hole lot of old worn-out gondola cars. One
must remember the
environment this was done in after the war, as
thay would say
in RAILWAY AGE magazine, "To build or to
rebuild".
I can personal remember many IC coal trains in
the mid 1950's,
and out of a 100 car drag to the BRC in Chicago,
10 or so
would always be the rebuilds. They were quit
prevalent in the
late 40's, through the late 50's.
Mike and Jerry,

The cars in question were built, or more correctly
converted, into
twin hoppers by the IC from former gondolas
numbered in the 90000-
93970 series, (original numbers 214750-218749). The
first group was
converted in 1945 and numbered 75000-76999. The
second group were
converted in 1946 and 1947 and numbered 77000-78965.
Photos of these
cars show original built dates of 1924 and 25.
Quite a few of these
cars were still in service in 1960 when I hired out
on the IC, but
they rapidly disappeared within the next few years
By 1962, the IC
was using their number series on new 11'-10" height
twin hoppers
being built that year.

The cars had an inside length of 41'-3", and the
hoppers were 16'-2"
apart at the bottom of the openings. Their 9'-7"
height made them
stand out in a train of IC hoppers, most of which
were 10'-8" in
height. I have not looked into the way to model
these cars, but I
have been promoted them to a familiar resin car
pattern maker for a
few years.

Chet French
Dixon, IL





--- In STMFC@..., Mike Aufderheide
<mononinmonon@y...>
wrote:
Looking through some books recently, a few
interesting
IC hoppers have stuck out. They have ribbed
sides with
a short flat panel above. On one car the upper
panel
looked to have stampings at a regular interval.
They
look very similar to the rebuilt PRR H22a coke
cars (a
la Bowser), that is low hoppers with an extended
side.
In an IC book I was looking at they were very
prevailant. The two numbers I was able to see
are
77036 and 75373. The hopper bottoms are in
shadow in
all cases so I don't know how many bays they
are.
Even with the sides extended their height is
about a
foot lower than the typical offset-side IC twin
hoppers. Does anyone know about these cars and
how to
model them?

Thanks,

Mike Aufderheide






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Re: Missouri Pacific 7100-7199 series hoppers with coke racks

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 01/24/05 4:38:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
hawk0621@... writes:

The 4/57 ORER lists these cars as being gondola cars with no special
notes about coke racks.


Ed,

They were probably fitted with coke racks in 1958, according to a list
Charlie Duckworth sent me. Thanks

Jerry


Re: Great Scale Model Train Show,Timonium,Md.

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jim Cummings asked:
"Does anyone know if Sunshine Models will be an attending vendor?"

Tom Olsen posted yesterday, 23 January (post #37803):
"I spoke with Martin on Friday to find out if he was going to be in
Maryland for the Timonium Scale Train Meet the first weekend in
February and he advised that it looked like he was not going to make
it due to ongoing business."


Ben Hom


Great Scale Model Train Show,Timonium,Md.

jimbojk2003
 

Does anyone know if Sunshine Models will be an attending vendor?I
believe the date is Feb.5-6.
Regards, Jim Cummings


Re: Erie Delivery

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler, I show Erie 63000-63157 as 50 foot, single door
box cars built in 1954 (RMJ 11/1998). They are listed in the
1959 ORER that way, although there are only 49 cars in the
series.

Erie end door box car series listed in the 1959 ORER:

62200-62233
66500-66548
68008-68097
68100-68199
97100-97199
97250-97399
97400-97499

About that Erie box car . . .

This appears to be Erie's 63000-63099 series of end-door 50' boxcars. Larry De
Young notes in his EL Color Guide that at least three of these cars lasted into
1976, assigned to (surprise!) carrying fire trucks for American LaFrance in
Elmira, NY...

- Paul

Posted by SGL


Re: 1949 2 Bay Covered Hopper

fuchst900
 

Is there any way to determine who made the car? The bolsters are riveted. With so many pictures and its availability to view, it would make a nice project. Steve Fuchs, College Place, WA

MOFWCABOOSE@... wrote:In recent decades it has been quite common to convert covered hoppers to
ballast cars by cutting off the roof and replacing the old unloading hoppers with
ballast doors. Conrail, CSXT, and BN all have or had ballast cars of this
type.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL






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Re: B&O Wagon-Top kit source

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Jason:

The reason that I asked.............

I built three of these kits back about 1985 adding lots of detail
goodies and doing different side sill and door variations. They still
look pretty good except for being "wide bodies." I'm wondering if it
would be worth it (and possible) to pry them apart, narrow the side
pieces and replace the ends. I've always through I'd just have to sell
them off and liked them too much to do so.

I think I would give the upgrade angle a try.

Mont Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason C [mailto:dhc628@...]
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] B&O Wagon-Top kit source


--- <ZOE@...> wrote:

Do you know if there is any chance of an upgrade
kit for those with the old
versions?

Mont Switzer
Mont,

I've not heard Merle mention releasing a seperate
upgrade kit for the older versions. One of the big
features of this new release is the narrowing of the
body to a scale or near scale width. I'll check with
him and see if it's something that he's considering.
If he does, it most likely would be more of a special
order for parts as opposed to a catologed item.

Jason Cook
Fort Wayne, IN



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Re: PRR 123353-X28a narrow panel dimensions

Larry Kline
 

Ben Hom wrote:
8 of ten of the X28/X28A side panels are the same width as the X29. The
two "odd" panels are the one that replaced the door (the door itself
was 4 ft 4 in) and the one immediately to the left of the door. No
drawings for the X28/X28A exist in the model press; however, drawings
of the similar CNJ auto boxcar appeared in the July 1986 issue of
Mainline Modeler and should reveal the dimensions of the narrow panel.
(I can't find my copy at the moment.) I'm working on an article to
accompany future drawings of the Class X28/X28A cars in Mainline
Modeler. There is no difference in length between the X28 and X28/X28A.

There is a photo of X28a 1223455 in the NMRA Charles collection that
close to a straight on side view. I used the perspective command in
Photoshop and printed the photo to 1/2 in scale. I measured the
following approximate dimensions from the perspective corrected photo:
- Wide panel next to door: 4 ft 4 in
- Next, narrow panel: 2 ft 6 in

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: B&O Wagon-Top kit source

Jason C
 

--- <ZOE@...> wrote:

Do you know if there is any chance of an upgrade
kit for those with the old
versions?

Mont Switzer
Mont,

I've not heard Merle mention releasing a seperate
upgrade kit for the older versions. One of the big
features of this new release is the narrowing of the
body to a scale or near scale width. I'll check with
him and see if it's something that he's considering.
If he does, it most likely would be more of a special
order for parts as opposed to a catologed item.

Jason Cook
Fort Wayne, IN



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Re: B&O, C&O, War emergency hoppers

vgnry <vgnry212@...>
 

I can't speak to the B&O cars, but all of the wood on the C&O hoppers was replaced
by steel in 1953.

Bill McClure

--- In STMFC@..., "prrk41361" <prrk41361@y...> wrote:

How long did B&O and C&O war emergency open hoppers runin the post-
war period with wooden sides. Were many wood sided car still around
in 1957?

Brian J Carlson


PRR Class X29B Kitbash (was Re: CP minibox kitbash)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Phil Buchwald wrote:
"If the MS1 scheme is the one which is shown in the second of your
X29 articles, then maybe I've found something. In that Milwaukee
Road book by Jim Scribbins, on page 113, there is an infuriating
photo...It is a down-on high angle shot, so you can't see the car
number (that's the infuriating part!), however it shows
an "original" X29 (11 panel riveted roof, wood running boards) with
a wide white stripe and a big white circle to the right of the door
with a keystone in it. Were the original style X29s painted in a
different, but similar scheme, or could this be the MS1 scheme?"

To meet increased demand for LCL boxcars, PRR placed unmodified
Class X29s into "Merchandise Service" in 1950. These cars received
MS2, which was a simplifed version of the MS1 scheme that lacked the
aluminum stripes and the toludine red backgound for the keystone and
shadowing for the "Merchandise Service" lettering. NO CLASS X29
BOXCARS WERE EVER PAINTED IN MS1.

For more information, see my article on page 47 of the October issue
of The Keystone Modeler on Merchandise Service boxcars:
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%
20Modeler/TKM_Images/Keystone_Modeler_NO15_files/TKM%20No.%2015%2010-
04%20PDF.pdf


Ben Hom


PRR Class X29B Kitbash (was Re: CP minibox kitbash)

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

If the MS1 scheme is the one which is shown in the second of your
X29 articles, then maybe I've found something. In that Milwaukee
Road book by Jim Scribbins, on page 113, there is an infuriating
photo....
It is a down-on high angle shot, so you can't see the car number
(that's the infuriating part!), however it shows an "original" X29
(11 panel riveted roof, wood running boards) with a wide white
stripe and a big white circle to the right of the door with a
keystone in it.
Were the original style X29s painted in a different, but similar
scheme, or could this be the MS1 scheme?

Regards,
Phil Buchwald



FWIW, the Class X29B is the only confirmed legit 40 ft PRR boxcar
for the MS1 "Merchandise Service" scheme. (Still looking for
photos
of the two Class X26C cars in LCL service to confirm whether or
not
they got the MS1 scheme).


Ben Hom


Re: Library of Congress ORER Holdings

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Richard,

In a word, "No." UVA is not very good for train materials. About ten years back we had two ORERS, 1953 and 1957, which I was regularly checking out. Then they were discarded, inspite of their obvious circulation. I found about about two weeks too late to save them.

UVA has a pretty good run of old C&O magazines, a near-complete collection of the COHS magazine, a collection of OFFICIAL GUIDES from the 1930s to the 1950s, a good selection of POOR'S and MOODY'S manuals, 1953 and 1957 CBCs, plus a smattering of miscellaneous books. Some issues of a railway mechanical journal are in deep storage. Boosk and journals are found in both Alderman Library and the Science Library. The rare books library has about 100 pieces of miscellanious correspondence from the Nelson & Albemarle Ry.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff
Alderman Library
Cataloging Dept.

richtownsend@... wrote:

While I am located on the west coast, I get to Washington, DC several times a year (coincidentally around the time of the Timonium swap meets) and almost never get anywhere near Sacramento or Palo Alto. I don't suppose UVA has any old ORERs?


Missouri Pacific 7100-7199 series hoppers with coke racks

asychis@...
 

Folks,

In the late 1950s, Missouri Pacific had 100 cars (7100-7199) fitted with coke
racks. Were these hoppers or gondolas? Doe anyone know of photos of this
series of cars with or without the coke racks? Could someone describe for me
just what a coke rack is? Anyone know of coke ovens in the Southern Illinois
area? Five of these cars were assigned to coke service out of Bush, Illinois,
from Burning Star mine, but I can find no information on coke ovens. The
majority of these cars (75) were assigned to Great Lakes out of Carondelet,
Missouri. Thanks!

Jerry Michels


[Fwd: Re: Re: Rail Classics and Ted Reimel (Ted's Enginehouse)]

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

List,

When I said "Unfortunately," in regard to Rail Classics, I meant it in
the context that we were losing a premier importer who was very
exacting. Eddie told me a few years ago at one our PRRT&HS meetings
that as long as his name was going to be on the letterhead and
associated with his models, he would not bring out less than a premier
quality piece. He said that if he could not do that, he would close the
business up! His models speak for themselves in this context. Sorry
to have lost the thread in trying to relate this thought!

Tom

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Rail Classics and Ted Reimel (Ted's Enginehouse)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:14:20 -0500
From: "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@...>
Organization: University of Delaware
To: STMFC@...
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Ted, Tim and List,

Yes, it is true, Rail Classics has folded the tent. Eddie's father has
recently passed away and other pressures have caused him to make the
decision to close the business. He is in the process of selling the
balance of his inventory, which is at present, quite low. All projects,
including the PRR Business Cars, Gondolas, P5 Electric projects and the
PRR Passenger head end and coaches that he picked up with the close of
Rail Works have been shut down.

I am not suprised, considering the fact that the brass market is down at
present. One look at some of the ads in MR and other magazines for some
of the more prominent brass dealers show them carrying large inventories
that are going nowhere.

Unfortunately, Rail Classics was probably the most exacting importers in
the field. Eddie would not allow his manufacturer to begin production
on any model until he received and approved the pilot model. This was
not the case with other importers who used Samhongsa, who had the habit
of going into production, almost on the same day that he shipped the
pilot model and by the time that the importer attempted to correct the
short comings, it was too late!

Hopefully, we may be able to convince Martin Lofton to bring out the
G31 in urethane. I understand that Crown Custom Imports, who was
supposed to bring out the PRR H33 Covered Hopper has now delayed this
model indefinitely. Again, not surprising, considering the large unsold
inventory that he is now sitting on. The owner is the son of the person
who retired and closed his business, Railworks.

For those of you, who in the past had bought models from Ted Reimel
(Ted's Enginehouse) of Pennsauken, NJ., who closed his business and
retired two years ago: Ted passed away on January 15th. He had been in
ill health, having had a stroke last fall which resulted in his having
gone into a nursing home.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Rail Classics and Ted Reimel (Ted's Enginehouse)

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Ted, Tim and List,

Yes, it is true, Rail Classics has folded the tent. Eddie's father has recently passed away and other pressures have caused him to make the decision to close the business. He is in the process of selling the balance of his inventory, which is at present, quite low. All projects, including the PRR Business Cars, Gondolas, P5 Electric projects and the PRR Passenger head end and coaches that he picked up with the close of Rail Works have been shut down.

I am not suprised, considering the fact that the brass market is down at present. One look at some of the ads in MR and other magazines for some of the more prominent brass dealers show them carrying large inventories that are going nowhere.

Unfortunately, Rail Classics was probably the most exacting importers in the field. Eddie would not allow his manufacturer to begin production on any model until he received and approved the pilot model. This was not the case with other importers who used Samhongsa, who had the habit of going into production, almost on the same day that he shipped the pilot model and by the time that the importer attempted to correct the short comings, it was too late!

Hopefully, we may be able to convince Martin Lofton to bring out the G31 in urethane. I understand that Crown Custom Imports, who was supposed to bring out the PRR H33 Covered Hopper has now delayed this model indefinitely. Again, not surprising, considering the large unsold inventory that he is now sitting on. The owner is the son of the person who retired and closed his business, Railworks.

For those of you, who in the past had bought models from Ted Reimel (Ted's Enginehouse) of Pennsauken, NJ., who closed his business and retired two years ago: Ted passed away on January 15th. He had been in ill health, having had a stroke last fall which resulted in his having gone into a nursing home.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Library of Congress ORER Holdings

Rupert and Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

The Strahorn Library - part of IRM at Union - has quite an extensive
collection of ORER's as well as model magazines, railroad books, etc. I
spent a very pleasant day there last year researching CB&Q material.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


Re: CN 503500--513152

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks Ted, I figured you had covered these cars. Now to find the issue.
Brian

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:

On Jan 23, 2005, at 8:18 PM, prrk41361 wrote:

I purchased one of these Howe truss design single sheathed box cars,
Slyvan model, and I am in need of an end picture to show what type of
uncoupling lever these cars had. I found a side view on Ted's site
but haven't found a view showing the end

Brian:

I included a prototype end photo in the article on these cars in the
Nov 2003 RMC.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
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