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Re: address

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Denmark, where they had steam era freight cars, tho not of american outline,
uses "DK."

SGL

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Tim O'Connor wrote:
Once you understand that, you look for new sources: use the All
American Trains web site in Europe (is .DE for Denmark?).
DE = Deutschland (Germany)

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Re: Archives in general

Schuyler Larrabee
 

James Mischke wrote:
The archival ethic states that the original donor is
considered just
another patron, to be mistreated like any other. Ask the
GM&OHS about
their experience.
From: Anthony Thompson
As some RR historical societies have learned to their
sorrow, it is ESSENTIAL to obtain an agreement when donating,
that the society has the right of first refusal if the
library/archive chooses to "de-access" the materials.
Otherwise it can be gone in the twinkling of an eye. And if
the target library will not agree to such a condition, look
for another one.
This is exactly why the ELHS only agreed to deposit our materials, which in
include steam era materials, at University of Akron, they agreed that the
material remained ours in title. They provide services and a secure facility.
We provide all materials necessary for proper storage, and pay for any of their
time.

Back to Jim:

Everything must be inventoried before it is accessable.
Well, yeah, because otherwise, a) how do you know what you've got, and b) how do
you know what somebody took?

SGL


Re: New Walthers USRA 55 ton hopper

Jerry <jrs060@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>
wrote:
"Years ago, when MDC was known to be
developing their 50' single sheathed auto car models, Walthers
rushed their
own 50' single sheathed auto cars into production. The MDC cars,
based on
WP prototype information, were more accurate and better detailed
than
anything they had produced previously, while the Walthers models
were
generic cars that sort of resembled some MILW cars but in fact
weren't
accurate for any single prototype and were poorly executed (e.g.,
their
3-3-3 Dreadnaught ends can only be described as a disaster)."

Richard, this is incorrect and you know it. Now I know you
had a hand in the MDC WP model because you told me so, and as
such are bias to it. But I also know that Ted Richardson, an
IC modeler friend of mine told you that this Walthers car was
prototype for an IC car! "Please" stop mislead people if
you know differently. Let's not let the hot air take control
here. Sorry.

Regards,

Jerry Stewart
Chicago, Ill.


Timonium

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

We will be at Timonium if it doesn't blizzard. As usual, if you want us to bring any specific kits, let me know. - Al Westerfield


Re: L & N Blue

Paul Hillman
 

I failed to mention that the CSX line through Salem, IN used to be
the old Monon, and that the color of the old L&N "Box" was old L&N
blue.

Paul Hillman


Re: L & N Blue

Paul Hillman
 

Thanks Jim for your response,

Good info!! I should need to get a copy of Johnson's L&N Color Guide.

I first had an HO model of an L&N 40 foot,(PS-1 [?]) boxcar from,
Varney (?), Athearn (?) back in 1961. It got lost in our moving that
year. I always really liked that boxcar.

When I was in Salem, Indiana, in about 2001, there was still an old
L&N, 40 foot boxcar, (Ps-1 ? ), parked on a CSX siding there. It
reminded me of that old boxcar. The CSX used it for "parts-storage".

Yes, I think that the "DF", (Damage-Free), lettering was still on
it's side. I have photos of it stored away here to confirm that,
if/when I can find them. "Dates" might still be legible, maybe, since
the car was quite weathered.

Thanks, Paul Hillman












--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@c...> wrote:
According to Steve D. Johnson in L&N Color Guide, Volume 1 (Morning
Sun
Books) blue was first applied to boxcars to signify they were
equipped with
load retaining devices, particularly DF belt rails; he indicates
that
"later" some boxcars fitted with only lading tie anchors and even
some
standard XM boxcars were painted blue.

On page 23 there is a photo of L&N 97140, a 50-foot PS-1 in blue,
taken at
Chicago, IL in September 1960. The car is still stenciled "NEW 8-
57." This
car is equipped with DF loaders.

On page 26 there is a photo of L&N 97893, a 50-foot car built by
ACF in
December 1960; it is stenciled "NEW 12-60" and is boxcar red/brown.

My guess is, during the period of this list, that blue would have
only been
used on the DF equipped cars; otherwise, they were standard boxcar
red/brown.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
----- Original Message -----
From: "behillman" <chris_hillman@m...>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: [STMFC] L & N Blue




What year did the Louisville & Nashville start using the "medium"
blue paint scheme on their 40 foot boxcars, (and/or other cars)?

I know that scheme existed in 1961.

Paul Hillman







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Re: L & N Blue

Tim O'Connor
 

What year did the Louisville & Nashville start using the "medium"
blue paint scheme on their 40 foot boxcars, (and/or other cars)?

I know that scheme existed in 1961.

Paul Hillman

In June 1960, AC&F delivered L&N 46800-46899 in blue. They are
indeed Damage Free (DF2) equipped cars, as Jim Brewer mentioned.
There is a builder photo in the 1961 CBC of L&N 46872, page 78.
I don't know of any earlier examples of 40 foot cars in blue.

Tim O.


address

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Once you understand that, you look for new sources: use the All
American Trains web site in Europe (is .DE for Denmark?).
DE = Deutschland (Germany)

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Archives in general, was ICC Library Holdings at Denver

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Madden said:
Um... that's the Colorado Railroad Museum Library's policy on
acquisitions. No strings attached, all reproduction rights come with
the collection, no restrictions or right of first refusal on the
library's right to dispose of all or part of a collection in any
manner.
That, of course, is a prescription for disaster. All that has to happen is for the library or archive director is replaced by someone who says "why on earth do we have this crap from the ABC Railroad Society? Dumpster!! Now!!" and there you are. The SP Society had discussions with several possible hosts for its materials before settling on the Sherman Library in California, with whom a written agreement exists giving the SPH&TS first refusal on any de-accessions. This costs the archive nothing (after all, they got the stuff for free) other than some paperwork: they'd have to write us a letter saying "get this stuff out of here by March 1" or something, but that hardly seems an onerous requirement. Frankly, my respect for CRRM has not increased by this description of their policy.
As for the issue of those wishing to donate slides of Aunt Judy's trip to Silverton in 1967, either don't accept it in the first place, or send it back under the "first refusal" clause. Doesn't sound too tough to me.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ADMIN: Back within scope please

Paul Hillman
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" <brockm@b...> wrote:
Well...we've cussed and discussed various model builders, China,
the cost of
oil and assundry other subjects out of scope of the STMFC. I think
it's time
to get back on the subject.

Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner
*********************************************************************
Response;

Well Mike,(Brock),

All YOU have to do is quit responding to all this "off-topic" stuff!!!

(Pun intended), but,.......it IS tempting, isn't it???

Paul Hillman


Re: A Certain American Company

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Todd Horton wrote:
Shawn I couldn't agree more. LL raised the bar for all other mfgs, now they seem content to lay back and watch the money roll in. They are really frustrating because they refuse to do road names for models they have. You could probably do a one page list of obscure (small) roads they will do but look the other way on some other (larger) roads. When you make a commitment in tooling and production cost it seems like they would want to get a maximum return on their dollar for their investment.
Todd, do you mean "do road names" for roads which didn't have the car in question? LL has specifically chosen not to do this, so that any Proto2000 model can be relied on to be accurate, or very close. That's one reason for the "obscure roads" you mention. Many other mfgrs. put whatever road name they like (Athearn is about as promiscuous as they come in this regard), but not LL. Personally, I prefer it that way. Of course, YMMV.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


ADMIN: Back within scope please

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Well...we've cussed and discussed various model builders, China, the cost of oil and assundry other subjects out of scope of the STMFC. I think it's time to get back on the subject.

Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: A Certain American Company

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Shawn Beckert says:

"As for Walthers giving anybody competition: with what???"

Well...for one...the UP CA-1 caboose. Very nice model. Competitors are brass. Then there's the SP wood caboose. Sure, it apparently has a slightly two narrow step but not bad.

Mike Brock


Re: A Certain American Company

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jan 27, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

Wanna be the first to tell Southern Car & Foundry
that they ought to close up shop because they won't make enough cash
on their forthcoming kits?
Different market. Resin kit makers can approach things from a different perspective.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: L & N Blue

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

According to Steve D. Johnson in L&N Color Guide, Volume 1 (Morning Sun Books) blue was first applied to boxcars to signify they were equipped with load retaining devices, particularly DF belt rails; he indicates that "later" some boxcars fitted with only lading tie anchors and even some standard XM boxcars were painted blue.

On page 23 there is a photo of L&N 97140, a 50-foot PS-1 in blue, taken at Chicago, IL in September 1960. The car is still stenciled "NEW 8-57." This car is equipped with DF loaders.

On page 26 there is a photo of L&N 97893, a 50-foot car built by ACF in December 1960; it is stenciled "NEW 12-60" and is boxcar red/brown.

My guess is, during the period of this list, that blue would have only been used on the DF equipped cars; otherwise, they were standard boxcar red/brown.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "behillman" <chris_hillman@msn.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: [STMFC] L & N Blue




What year did the Louisville & Nashville start using the "medium"
blue paint scheme on their 40 foot boxcars, (and/or other cars)?

I know that scheme existed in 1961.

Paul Hillman







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Re: A Certain American Company

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:
I really do question how company come up with what they do. Have
you noticed that if you model C&O you are blessed with way more
choices than some others.

There still is no AAR alternate standard hopper car model, so I'd
have to say C&O fans are SOL so far.

Vendors need smart modelers on staff to make good choices. Until
Marty McGuirk went to Intermountain, they were no modelers there.
And of course, vendors tend to go back to the same consultants
over and over again, and often don't notice until too late that
well has gone dry.

At one time Life Like was believed to produce only models that
were good for CB&Q (and I think Charlie Vik may have taken the
rap for that?) And Paul Graf of Atlas once told me if it didn't
run on the Reading or PRR, he wasn't interested in it. But obviously
that was too limited a view, and the vendors have brought out new
items that don't fit that view.

It's not like I would really be unhappy if no one ever made another
model train.... :-) But I worry that if they stopped making those
they also would stop making couplers, wheels, and details that I
will be needing for a long time to come.

Tim O.
As much as I agree with the concerns about where this hobby is going
and what kind of products vendors are offering, we on this list need
to remember one really important detail. We are the minority of the
model buying public.
I would suggest that Red Caboose, Intermountain, Branchline, etc would
all go broke if they relied on this group of modelers for buying most
of their product. As much as I hate to admit it.
As the French say C'est la vie.
Pierre Oliver


Re: A Certain American Company

Shawn Beckert
 

Tim O'Connor sez:

I'm confused Shawn. You have more models than you'll ever have
time for, but you're angry because they are not bringing out new
toys fast enough for you???
I'm not angry at all. I'm being matter-of-fact as to where I'll spend
my future disposable income. If I have all the P2K stuff I need, and
they cease to manufacture anything new that I care about, it's obvious
they won't garner any attention - or revenue - from me. And selling
the product is the name of the game, no?


I think I recall Larry Grubb gave us the bad new on freight cars
a couple of Naperville's ago: very little chance of more of them
from P2K. The profit margins are too thin and the tooling costs
nearly as much as a locomotive.
I'm aware of what Larry Grubb said. Do you accept his reasoning? If
profit margins are that small, why do other companies continue to
make new items? Wanna be the first to tell Southern Car & Foundry
that they ought to close up shop because they won't make enough cash
on their forthcoming kits?

Also, I think Athearn, Atlas and Walthers are giving Life-Like
some serious competition. Personally, if I know Athearn and P2K
are doing a new engine, I'll opt for the Athearn version.
Atlas and Athearn *are* doing better than P2K, at least with their
locomotives. Now if we could get Atlas to make a freightcar kit that's
up to current accuracy standards (unlike the 11k ACF tankcar), we'd
really have something to look forward to.

As for Walthers giving anybody competition: with what???

Shawn Beckert


L & N Blue

Paul Hillman
 

What year did the Louisville & Nashville start using the "medium"
blue paint scheme on their 40 foot boxcars, (and/or other cars)?

I know that scheme existed in 1961.

Paul Hillman


Degolyer, was ICC Library Holdings at Denver

James Mischke <jmischke@...>
 

That copyright paper (as they call it in the biz) drove me nuts at DeGolyer. It
made some of the source text illegible.


University of Maryland at College Park archives still does that.


Marking their territory, I guess.


I don't mind a stamp in the margins. Many archives do that.





James Mischke
B&OHS





asychis@aol.com wrote:

Tony,

You may be right on that. It's been about five years since I was there doing
some research. Have they stopped making every photo copy on paper
pre-printed with red caution statement about use of the material?

Jerry Michels
In a message dated 1/27/2005 12:26:46 AM Central Standard Time,
thompson@signaturepress.com writes:
You must be thinking of the previous administration at the
DeGolyer. The folks currently in charge are friendly, helpful, and
eager to provide access.


Re: A Certain American Company

Tim O'Connor
 

I really do question how company come up with what they do. Have
you noticed that if you model C&O you are blessed with way more
choices than some others.

There still is no AAR alternate standard hopper car model, so I'd
have to say C&O fans are SOL so far.

Vendors need smart modelers on staff to make good choices. Until
Marty McGuirk went to Intermountain, they were no modelers there.
And of course, vendors tend to go back to the same consultants
over and over again, and often don't notice until too late that
well has gone dry.

At one time Life Like was believed to produce only models that
were good for CB&Q (and I think Charlie Vik may have taken the
rap for that?) And Paul Graf of Atlas once told me if it didn't
run on the Reading or PRR, he wasn't interested in it. But obviously
that was too limited a view, and the vendors have brought out new
items that don't fit that view.

It's not like I would really be unhappy if no one ever made another
model train.... :-) But I worry that if they stopped making those
they also would stop making couplers, wheels, and details that I
will be needing for a long time to come.

Tim O.

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