The example of a car of produce being unloaded at wholesalers, cleaned, and then used by a candy distributer brings up another question on freight car routing. Is there any reason an industry could not, after unloading a car of some product, immediately clean and reload the same car with their finished goods? An example would be a cannery getting a box car load of cans or jars and then using the same car to ship out a load of canned goods.
Charlie

Jerry wrote:

there to answer the needs. As to the candy makers in Chicago, there are many, but the
big one that certainly comes to mind it Mars Candy Co., just West of the Galewood city yard of the CMStP&P in Chicago
proper, and yes they did make the "Baby Ruth" bar.

Curtiss Candy Co was the Baby Ruth bar maker in Chicago. They also made Butterfingers. Mars Candy made M&Ms, Milky Way, Snickers and 3 Musketeers.

Bill Hirt

Oops, sorry, forgot to sign that last post.
Brian J Carlson

Brian Carlson <prrk41361@...> wrote:
Richard and Clark, LL did do the EL scheme in a latter run. What they didn't do were partial Erie Repaints, where only the reportimg marks were changed. (See the upper photo on page 36 of the Erie/DL&W color Guide for a view of this scheme.) Decals for this scheme, as well as ERIE and EL are available from Prime Mover Decals for those that want to letter their own cars.

Also the NKP had some of these gons which were painted black. After the merger with the N&W in 1964 I imagine these were repainted black with N&W lettering, but I have never seen a picture of an N&W Greenville gon since they are not within my timeframe.

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

A freind has several Life-Like gondolas which are all freight car
red. He would like to paint one or two black. Can anyone supply info
on any of these gons that were black, other than the models that are
available? Repaints would be fine, he models 1965.
Also anyone have any photos of CGW gondolas?
Thanks for your help,
Clark Propst

Clark, the biggest fleets of Greenville design gons were those of the Erie
and the NYC. The Erie cars, which were painted black, were renumbered into
the Erie-Lackawanna roster beginning in the early 1960s, and I have several
photos of them in E-L paint and lettering (for which, IIRC, Life-Like
didn't issue a model). That's certainly one possibility. DT&I's
Greenville-design gons were also painted black, but in the mid-'60s all (or
almost all) of them were in auto frame service with racks installed for
stacking frames on end. WP's gons were black also, but L-L did a factory
P/L job for them and that scheme didn't change signficantly from the '40s
into the '60s.

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Ashland, Oregon 97520




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Richard and Clark, LL did do the EL scheme in a latter run. What they didn't do were partial Erie Repaints, where only the reportimg marks were changed. (See the upper photo on page 36 of the Erie/DL&W color Guide for a view of this scheme.) Decals for this scheme, as well as ERIE and EL are available from Prime Mover Decals for those that want to letter their own cars.

Also the NKP had some of these gons which were painted black. After the merger with the N&W in 1964 I imagine these were repainted black with N&W lettering, but I have never seen a picture of an N&W Greenville gon since they are not within my timeframe.

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

A freind has several Life-Like gondolas which are all freight car
red. He would like to paint one or two black. Can anyone supply info
on any of these gons that were black, other than the models that are
available? Repaints would be fine, he models 1965.
Also anyone have any photos of CGW gondolas?
Thanks for your help,
Clark Propst

Clark, the biggest fleets of Greenville design gons were those of the Erie
and the NYC. The Erie cars, which were painted black, were renumbered into
the Erie-Lackawanna roster beginning in the early 1960s, and I have several
photos of them in E-L paint and lettering (for which, IIRC, Life-Like
didn't issue a model). That's certainly one possibility. DT&I's
Greenville-design gons were also painted black, but in the mid-'60s all (or
almost all) of them were in auto frame service with racks installed for
stacking frames on end. WP's gons were black also, but L-L did a factory
P/L job for them and that scheme didn't change signficantly from the '40s
into the '60s.

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Ashland, Oregon 97520




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>> Tim O'Connor wrote
>>
>> I love a challenge!! :o) Let's see...
>> Aha! It's a two-bay, AAR alternate standard 50 ton hopper.
>> Ok, maybe not. That doesn't address the ABSOLUTELY no use for...
>> OOOH! OOOOH!! I know -- it's a MILK CAR!!!

Ahem... and just what is "odd" about a milk car? ;-)

All I can say is, Woo Hoo!

Walt Lankenau

Andy Miller wrote

IM had photos and test shots of them at Springfield today. They are a round
bottom Pfaudler car.

Hey Andy, I was right! What do I get? :-)


>>> Marty McGuirk wrote (Dec 16, 2004)
>>>
>>> If you think the Santa Fe stockcar was an "odd" choice -- wait until you
>>> see the next all-new injection molded car I've got up my sleeve....

>> Tim O'Connor wrote
>>
>> I love a challenge!! :o) Let's see...
>> Aha! It's a two-bay, AAR alternate standard 50 ton hopper.
>> Ok, maybe not. That doesn't address the ABSOLUTELY no use for...
>> OOOH! OOOOH!! I know -- it's a MILK CAR!!!


Tim

If I recall correctly, the candy was from a variety of makers, all going to
the same city. Somewhere else, perhaps on this list, I read about a candy
marketing association although I have no idea how the candy got to the dock
and /or was consigned. I just loaded it.

Brachs, and Holloway come to mind as Chicago candy makers and I know there
have to be many more.

Richard H. Berry
Warsaw, Indiana

I should add that the cars have wire grabs and handrails and
some of the finest rivets I've ever seen in HO scale.

Also, these are the "40-foot" GPEX round sill cars --

Marty

I should add that the cars have wire grabs and handrails and
some of the finest rivets I've ever seen in HO scale.

Also, these are the "40-foot" GPEX round sill cars --

Marty

--- In STMFC@..., "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@y...>
wrote:

"URTX reefers, cleaned after bringing produce to the city, were
sent back
west with loads of candy. Model a wholesale grocer and spot a load
of candy.
Then send the car on to a produce terminal for its trip back east.

Was this sort of an lcl deal, with several candy makers' products
combined on one car for a
consignee, or were they solid loads of one manufacturer's
products? Or a little of both?
What candy makers were located in Chicago? (Baby Ruth comes to
mind.)"

To answer your questions here Walt, both LCL and car load
traffic could be used to answer the shippers needs. What ever
he had to ship, the railroad and it's freight house where
there to answer the needs.
As to the candy makers in Chicago, there are many, but the
big one that certainly comes to mind it Mars Candy Co., just
West of the Galewood city yard of the CMStP&P in Chicago
proper, and yes they did make the "Baby Ruth" bar.

Regards,

Jerry Stewart
Chicago, Ill.

--- In STMFC@..., "Chet French" <cfrench@g...> wrote:

"The IC cars were originally numbered in the 210000-210999 series.
The April 1940 ORER shows 960 cars still in the group. By this
time
they were being renumbered in the 65000-65959 series. A January
1946
IC equipment book shows 954 cars. They do not appear in the July
1950 ORER. The IC was adding many new and converted hopper cars to
their fleet from 1945 through 1950 and beyond, and I imagine the
older cars were scrapped rather quickly."

Chet, it sure is coincidental to see your post on this as I
was talking with Ted Richardson on the phone this morning
about this very topic, the general renumbering of IC freight
equipment. We came to about the same conclusion, it was done
sometime during WWII, probable started in 1942. In a typical
IC efficient manner, they had somehow managed to accomplish
before 1946 in the middle of war, amazing!

Regards,
Jerry Stewart
Chicago, Ill.

A freind has several Life-Like gondolas which are all freight car
red. He would like to paint one or two black. Can anyone supply info
on any of these gons that were black, other than the models that are
available? Repaints would be fine, he models 1965.
Also anyone have any photos of CGW gondolas?
Thanks for your help,
Clark Propst

Clark, the biggest fleets of Greenville design gons were those of the Erie
and the NYC. The Erie cars, which were painted black, were renumbered into
the Erie-Lackawanna roster beginning in the early 1960s, and I have several
photos of them in E-L paint and lettering (for which, IIRC, Life-Like
didn't issue a model). That's certainly one possibility. DT&I's
Greenville-design gons were also painted black, but in the mid-'60s all (or
almost all) of them were in auto frame service with racks installed for
stacking frames on end. WP's gons were black also, but L-L did a factory
P/L job for them and that scheme didn't change signficantly from the '40s
into the '60s.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Try Mexlist at Yahoogroups

Matt Herson

IM had photos and test shots of them at Springfield today. They are a round
bottom Pfaudler car. The initial lot will be decorated for Hood, Sheffield,
Borden, Whiting, Bakers Chocolate, Milky Way, and Consumers. Other will be
done later. They will have etched metal running boards, and Barber S-2-P
trucks which will be available separately. They will be sold both RTR AND
AS KITS!!!


They also had a test shot of an ART 40' ice reefer with the horizontal rivet
seam.

regards,

Andy Miller

Has anyone heard talk of Intermountain producing a milk car kit? I heard these would be
the round-bottomed Pfaudler cars.

Walt Lankenau

URTX reefers, cleaned after bringing produce to the city, were sent back
west with loads of candy. Model a wholesale grocer and spot a load of candy.
Then send the car on to a produce terminal for its trip back east.

Was this sort of an lcl deal, with several candy makers' products combined on one car for a
consignee, or were they solid loads of one manufacturer's products? Or a little of both?
What candy makers were located in Chicago? (Baby Ruth comes to mind.)

Walt Lankenau

But does anyone have any information or ideas on a
reporting mark "A de S"? It would help solve the puzzle of where these cars
went.

Sounds like a railroad in Mexico or South America. Is there an internet list on South
American railroads to query?

Walt Lankenau

Hello,
Some time back I inquired if anyone here knew if there were more than 1 Erie steel URTX reefers. One, #37808 is pictured in the Erie/DL&W color guide on a 100th anniversary publicity train.
It was mentioned that number fell in with a series of MILW-URTX reefers and might have been a special paint job for the centennial train.
Just wondering if anyone else knows anymore about these cars (car)? I also believe someone said the Union Refrigerator Transit lettering was of a "too old for steel reefers" style.
Maybe I'll have to put to rest getting any further info on them. Appreciate any help you guys can provide.
Bud Rindfleisch

Hi Folks,

A few years ago, I bought a 40' and 50' Rock Island outside braced boxcar kit in Resin from a company named "Rocket Express". The proprietor's name was Ron VonWerder. Anyone know if he's still making these kits? They are very nice kits and I'd like a few more. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Paul Gehrett

Richard Berry wrote:
"Intermountain lists separate PS-1 ends in HO, part # 4040013, out of stock
at Walthers."

That's because Intermountain has gone to Horizon as their exclusive
distributor. The parts are listed on the Intermountain website and should
be available.


Ben Hom