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Re: Gondola help

Richard Hendrickson
 

A freind has several Life-Like gondolas which are all freight car
red. He would like to paint one or two black. Can anyone supply info
on any of these gons that were black, other than the models that are
available? Repaints would be fine, he models 1965.
Also anyone have any photos of CGW gondolas?
Thanks for your help,
Clark Propst
Clark, the biggest fleets of Greenville design gons were those of the Erie
and the NYC. The Erie cars, which were painted black, were renumbered into
the Erie-Lackawanna roster beginning in the early 1960s, and I have several
photos of them in E-L paint and lettering (for which, IIRC, Life-Like
didn't issue a model). That's certainly one possibility. DT&I's
Greenville-design gons were also painted black, but in the mid-'60s all (or
almost all) of them were in auto frame service with racks installed for
stacking frames on end. WP's gons were black also, but L-L did a factory
P/L job for them and that scheme didn't change signficantly from the '40s
into the '60s.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: M&StL freight cars

Matt Herson <trains@...>
 

Try Mexlist at Yahoogroups

Matt Herson

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But does anyone have any information or ideas on a
reporting mark "A de S"? It would help solve the puzzle of where these cars
went.
Sounds like a railroad in Mexico or South America. Is there an internet list on South
American railroads to query?

Walt Lankenau







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Re: Intermountain milk car kit?

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

IM had photos and test shots of them at Springfield today. They are a round
bottom Pfaudler car. The initial lot will be decorated for Hood, Sheffield,
Borden, Whiting, Bakers Chocolate, Milky Way, and Consumers. Other will be
done later. They will have etched metal running boards, and Barber S-2-P
trucks which will be available separately. They will be sold both RTR AND
AS KITS!!!


They also had a test shot of an ART 40' ice reefer with the horizontal rivet
seam.

regards,

Andy Miller

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Has anyone heard talk of Intermountain producing a milk car kit? I heard
these would be the round-bottomed Pfaudler cars.

Walt Lankenau





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Intermountain milk car kit?

mcindoefalls
 

Has anyone heard talk of Intermountain producing a milk car kit? I heard these would be
the round-bottomed Pfaudler cars.

Walt Lankenau


Uses for Reefers (was Re: Wabash to the B&O at Decatur)

mcindoefalls
 

URTX reefers, cleaned after bringing produce to the city, were sent back
west with loads of candy. Model a wholesale grocer and spot a load of candy.
Then send the car on to a produce terminal for its trip back east.
Was this sort of an lcl deal, with several candy makers' products combined on one car for a
consignee, or were they solid loads of one manufacturer's products? Or a little of both?
What candy makers were located in Chicago? (Baby Ruth comes to mind.)

Walt Lankenau


Re: M&StL freight cars

mcindoefalls
 

But does anyone have any information or ideas on a
reporting mark "A de S"? It would help solve the puzzle of where these cars
went.
Sounds like a railroad in Mexico or South America. Is there an internet list on South
American railroads to query?

Walt Lankenau


Erie - URTX again

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hello,
Some time back I inquired if anyone here knew if there were more than 1 Erie steel URTX reefers. One, #37808 is pictured in the Erie/DL&W color guide on a 100th anniversary publicity train.
It was mentioned that number fell in with a series of MILW-URTX reefers and might have been a special paint job for the centennial train.
Just wondering if anyone else knows anymore about these cars (car)? I also believe someone said the Union Refrigerator Transit lettering was of a "too old for steel reefers" style.
Maybe I'll have to put to rest getting any further info on them. Appreciate any help you guys can provide.
Bud Rindfleisch


Rocket Express resin kits

Paul Gehrett
 

Hi Folks,

A few years ago, I bought a 40' and 50' Rock Island outside braced boxcar kit in Resin from a company named "Rocket Express". The proprietor's name was Ron VonWerder. Anyone know if he's still making these kits? They are very nice kits and I'd like a few more. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Paul Gehrett


Re: PS 1 ends

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Richard Berry wrote:
"Intermountain lists separate PS-1 ends in HO, part # 4040013, out of stock
at Walthers."

That's because Intermountain has gone to Horizon as their exclusive
distributor. The parts are listed on the Intermountain website and should
be available.


Ben Hom


Re: Museum Collections (long).

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Denny Anspach wrote:
The report that a particular library casually allows the visitor to
simply take what he or she needs off of the shelves, handle and copy
at will is pretty scary. It obviously might be great for the person
involved, but it poses an inevitable disaster a some point for those
who follow, not to mention posterity. IMHO, this is a library that
either innocently, or carelessly is probably breaking its trust.
Gee, Denny, every public library I've ever been in allows this. You are evidently referring to fragile, rare or archival material, not "anything on the shelf." Of course rare-book rooms, or archival storage rooms, have to be out of bounds, and for any fragile materials, staff have to be the ones doing copying. But to make everything in the library "out of bounds" to users seems excessive.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: Museum Collections

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Chuck Yungkurth wrote:
In defense of the Colo RR Museum and Tom Madden's posting, I would suggest
you check the California RR Museum's and your University's policy on donations.
I am sure you will find that their policy is similar to the CRRM procedure
that Tom outlined.
In this day and age, no respectable museum or archival collection will accept
items without a document stating that the museum has all rights, including
that of disposing as they see fit.
Chuck and Tom, I have no problem understanding the position of the museum. What perhaps you are not grasping is the position of a particular society which wishes to house archives. Years of collecting by lots of people, and perhaps many hours of indexing materials, can all be lost by a moment's decision by a library head. If that is the risk of donating to Museum X, then as I said, find another one.
I do realize that a public entity such as a state museum may not be free to "de-access" donated materials. Yet CSRM, for one, has often sold donated books, usually immediately upon receipt when they are duplicates. It's interesting that they cloak themselves in the "property of the people of California" flag when they want something, but dump it promptly if it's not needed. If material from a society is really going to be removed from a collection, I do not see why it cannot be returned to the donor (or sold to them for $1). To insist on rights to sell such a collection at full market value is beneath contempt, in my opinion.
It is my view that a historical society is irresponsible to both its members and its charter if it deposits its archives anywhere with no right of first refusal. Luckily there are institutions out there who understand this.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: PS 1 ends

rberry634 <rberry634@...>
 

Clark,

Intermountain lists separate PS-1 ends in HO, part # 4040013, out of stock
at Walthers. At one time Cannonball had separate ends from the old, old
Kurtz Kraft line. I tried their web site and didn't see any parts listed.

Richard H. Berry
Warsaw, Indiana

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Anyone have any separate PS 1 box car ends?
Clark propst







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PS 1 ends

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Anyone have any separate PS 1 box car ends?
Clark propst


SAL B-3 12399

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

Yesterday, I received a print of SAL B-3 12399. This is one of the first of the Seaboard's many ARA single sheathed box cars. Like the other SAL ARA box cars, it has fishbelly center sills, but the interesting thing is that it has only one crossbearer centered under the door, unlike the two on the other B-3/4/5 cars. I assume that all of the Pressed Steel B-3s were like this. Very unusual!

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
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(650) 787-1912


Gondola help

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

A freind has several Life-Like gondolas which are all freight car
red. He would like to paint one or two black. Can anyone supply info
on any of these gons that were black, other than the models that are
available? Repaints would be fine, he models 1965.
Also anyone have any photos of CGW gondolas?
Thanks for your help,
Clark Propst


Re: 0.88 wheels: Anyone experiencing any problems?

BuyGone Treasures <buygone@...>
 

Several years ago I attended a presentation by JP Barger at the Glendale
Model Railroad Club. JP provided a 120 car train all with 0.88 wheels. We
ran the train around our layout with only two problems, both of which were
layout problems not the wheels or equipment.

As a result I began a change over to 0.88 JP wheels on all of my freight
equipment. Thus far I have converted over 100 cars. I run these cars at
the Glendale club and at a private layout. Glendale club has code 100
track, 36" minimum radius and # 6 switches. Private layout has code 83
track, 30" minimum radius and # 6 switches. No problems.

As an aside I find that by doing the whole JP thing of tuning up your trucks
and placing the correct axel length in the side frame I was able to improve
the rolling qualities of my cars. This puts less stress on the locomotives
or allows them to pull more cars.

Any new piece of equipment I acquire I toss out the wheels and replace with
the 0.88 Reboxx wheels. Yes I do have one of the Reboxx roll testers.

Paul C. Koehler

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seems to me that .040" is way off from what the guage should be. did you
mike the guage? i just checked a bunch of my old ME track/bridge sections
and they are DNO. have you checked your nmra guage for accuracy with a mike
to see how close it is?

woody grosdoff





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Re: New Walthers USRA 55 ton hopper

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cobrapsl@a... wrote:
In a message dated 1/27/2005 6:38:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jrs060@m...
writes:
But I also know that Ted Richardson, an
IC modeler friend of mine told you that this Walthers car was
prototype for an IC car! "Please" stop mislead people if
you know differently. Let's not let the hot air take control
here. Sorry.
Jerry, Can you share with us what IC series prototype car it is
suppose to
represent and then we will all have an answer to a very long
mystery.


Paul,

The IC cars were originally numbered in the 210000-210999 series.
The April 1940 ORER shows 960 cars still in the group. By this time
they were being renumbered in the 65000-65959 series. A January 1946
IC equipment book shows 954 cars. They do not appear in the July
1950 ORER. The IC was adding many new and converted hopper cars to
their fleet from 1945 through 1950 and beyond, and I imagine the
older cars were scrapped rather quickly.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Museum Collections (long).

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

At 05:27 PM 1/28/2005, you wrote:
The report that a particular library casually allows the visitor to
simply take what he or she needs off of the shelves, handle and copy
at will is pretty scary. It obviously might be great for the person
involved, but it poses an inevitable disaster a some point for those
who follow, not to mention posterity. IMHO, this is a library that
either innocently, or carelessly is probably breaking its trust.
Denny, the material on the shelves at the Barriger are no more or less than that at the Northwestern library or several others. It is by no means the full collection. It used to be that you'd have to ask to see ANY book or document, even those that you would normally see in a public (municipal) library. That has changed to a more normalized balance.

However, their photo charges are quite high - and that is definitely the direction institutions are headed. The UP library is another that has risen their copying costs dramatically (and seen their revenues drop accordingly). I am all for a surcharge to go into the general fund for photo protection and such - but not when we're speaking of over $25 for a photo with an existing negative.


Re: New Walthers USRA 55 ton hopper

Paul Lyons
 

Thanks Chet, Most informative and something I will put on my photographic
pursuit list.
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


Re: Museim Collections (long).

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Chuck Yungkurth is dead right in his understanding of where responsibilities and accountability lie in publicly owned or non-profit museums. The "owners" are the public at large, and the trustees hold the contents of the library in trust for the owners- a pretty hefty concept if you think about it. In the case of the California State Railroad Museum, all of the contents belong to the State of California, and as such they cannot be sold or transferred without a pretty stiff and well defined due process- rarely invoked if only because of the expenditure of time and effort. I may be mistaken, but the hurdle may even be higher because the contents fall under California Cultural Resources.

Quite a few acquisitions actually come in the CSRM through its affiliated Foundation, which is NOT subject to the museum and state rules- a situation made very clear to the donor. This allows the museum in the open and up front, to transfer, return, or otherwise dispose of duplicated or out-of-field materials with the full knowledge of the donor that this may be done.

The report that a particular library casually allows the visitor to simply take what he or she needs off of the shelves, handle and copy at will is pretty scary. It obviously might be great for the person involved, but it poses an inevitable disaster a some point for those who follow, not to mention posterity. IMHO, this is a library that either innocently, or carelessly is probably breaking its trust.

Now, after all of this talk about the necessary safeguards that libraries have to go through to make certain that materials are preserved and conserved, they also have an equal inherent obligation to make the contents available to the public in any reasonable way that they can possibly do so. These requirements are often in deep conflict, as you might well imagine.

Denny

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