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Re: WAG to L&NW hand-me-down?

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Fred Mitchell wrote:
"The Accurail website shows three single sheathed boxcar models lettered for
FtDDM&S, L&NW and WAG:
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/3300/3367.jpg
I understand these roads had a common ownership, and in Mainline Modeler,
Aug 86, there is a picture of WAG 5014, which was actually a former B&M 1924
ARA Standard boxcar (angle braces run the wrong way on the Accurail model).
What I want to know
is, did L&NW actually receive such a car, either direct from B&M or handed
down from WAG?"

Yes. There is a photo of L&NW 5005 taken at Homer, LA in June 1969 on page
54 of Classic Freight Cars, Vol 1. It is clearly an ex-B&M SS boxcar with
internal carline ("X29") roof. No 5000-series numbers are listed in the
January 1959 ORER, so these cars made it to the L&NW sometime in the 1960s.

BTW, here's another photo of the FtDDM&S and WAG cars:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-w/wag5240ajs.jpg


"I have a couple of pictures of L&NW 1932 ARA or X-29 cars numbered in 6000
series, so L&NW 5004 seems to be a logical number."

The 6000-series cars are neither 1932 ARA nor PRR Class X29 (NO DASHES IN
PRR CAR CLASSES) boxcars. They're ex-B&O Class M-26A boxcars, identified by
their replacement 5-panel Superior doors, ARA side sheathing pattern, and
the "M-26A" class stencil that was retained when these cars went south. See
photo of L&NW 6009 on page 28 of the June 1998 issue of Railmodel Journal,
or this photo of L&NW 6040 on the Fallen Flags website:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/lnw/lnw6040ajs.jpg


"If you look at the Accurail pictures, it's embarrassingly clear that the
odd slanted lettering that spells out the full name of FtDDM&S and L&NW
would fit the angle braces if they were correct, as can be seen in the MM
picture of WAG 5014."

FWIW, the Accurail car is also too tall. Fortunately, Funaro has the B&M
cars available, sometimes in polybags for as little as $12 per kit:
http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/6000.html

They also offer them with WAG decals:
http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/6001.html
http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/6002.html

You'll have to come up with decals for the FtDDM&S and L&NW cars. Champ has
reissued HN-147 for FtDDM&S; AFAIK, nobody did L&NW decals, but you can
cobble up the lettering from Champ Private Name and Alphabet sets (looks
like "LOUISIANA" will need to be pieced together). You can salvage the data
from the WAG kit decals for either car.


Ben Hom


Re: Conductor's books - OWRN

Don Strack <donstrack@...>
 

Andy Laurent wrote:

There is a "round trip" boxcar (inbound feed load, outbound
veneer load 6 days later) with the reporting marks OWRN. I
cannot find that listed in my ORER or on the reporting marks
databases online. Any thoughts? The car is listed as both
road number 15516 and 155116, but the reporting marks are
pretty clear. Ontario & Western? Oregon & Northwestern? The
car is listed with gross tonnages of 21 inbound,
32 outbound.
This might help:

Oregon Washington Railway & Navigation Co. (OWR&N) operated all UP lines in
Oregon and Washington. OWR&N was incorporated in November 1910 as a
consolidation of Oregon Railroad & Navigation Co. and 14 other companies in
the states of Oregon and Washington. The Oregon Railroad & Navigation Co.
was incorporated in 1897 as a reorganization of Oregon Railway & Navigation
Co., which had been in receivership since 1893. The original Oregon Railway
& Navigation Co. was organized in 1879. OR&N connected with UP's OSL at
Huntington, Ore., in November 1884 and the OR&N was leased to OSL in January
1887. UP through its OSL subsidiary bought 50 percent of the OR&N stock in
November 1889, giving UP control of this important link to the Pacific
ports.

Union Pacific controlled OSL from 1899; OWR&N's predecessor OR&N from 1899;
and LA&SL from 1921. OSL, OWR&N, and LA&SL were leased for operation by UP
in November 1935, and all four railroads were consolidated for single-line
operation as the Union Pacific System on January 1, 1936.

These separate OSL, OWR&N, and LA&SL corporations remained separate as
wholly owned companies until December 1987. On December 29, 1987, OWR&N, Des
Chutes Railroad and Yakima Valley Transportation Co., were merged with OSL.
On December 30, 1987, OSL was merged with UP, and on December 31, LA&SL,
Spokane International (controlled by UP since October 1958), and Mount Hood
Railway were merged into UP.

Don Strack
http://utahrails.net


Re: What Front range and CB&T kits have any value

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben Hom asks

Why cut out a Front Range floor if the same prototype can be
modeled from a Branchline kit?
It can only be modeled in the case of the 40 foot cars with 6
and 8 foot doors. Other Front Range models are different than
the Branchlines. The riveted 50 foot cars are quite different:
12 panel vs. BL's 16 panel. BL sliding door cars are useless
for the SP, for example. Front Range also made a centered double
door car with welded sides -- used by a few roads including SP.

Tim O.


Re: Conductor's books - OWRN

Andy Laurent <arlaurent@...>
 

Speaking of conductor books, I have a GB&W book that covers mainline
assignments (Train 1 & 2) for the first two months of 1945.

There is a "round trip" boxcar (inbound feed load, outbound veneer
load 6 days later) with the reporting marks OWRN. I cannot find that
listed in my ORER or on the reporting marks databases online. Any
thoughts? The car is listed as both road number 15516 and 155116,
but the reporting marks are pretty clear. Ontario & Western? Oregon
& Northwestern? The car is listed with gross tonnages of 21 inbound,
32 outbound.

Thanks,
Andy

Conductor books of that era are hand-written, so some leeway can
be taken
with the initials for a particular railroad.

Jack Wyatt


Re: Ordnance Works and Freight Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Patricia, I think there might have been a mis-click here . . .I have no order
outstanding with you.

Just want to help you out. I can see this might lead to your questioning you
own sanity, if it got to be an issue ("I was SURE I sent out . . .")

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Westerfield [mailto:westerfield@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:32 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ordnance Works and Freight Cars


Thank you for the clarification of your order. We are a bit
behind, so it may be a week or so before we can ship this.
Patricia W.
----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Groff
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ordnance Works and Freight Cars


Schuyler,

No, none went off. Once the contractors found the first
bomb, they moved
very carefully. The ordinance was defused by military
experts and taken
away. IIRC, they turned up about a dozen bombs. For all I
know, there
might still be some out there.

This was a side issue to a steam-era posting, but is way beyond the
scope of our group. If anyone wants to continue this
sub-thread, let's
do it by private e-mail to keep Mike from having a coronary.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Garth Groff
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>the UP was still finding unexploded 500 pound bombs [in Roseville]
>>when they rebuilt the yard in the 1990s.
>>
>>
>
>Gee, were there any "incidents?"
>
>SGL
>
>


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Re: (unknown) Canadian Railway Models

Schuyler Larrabee
 

You made me go look. I have two, the Canadian Northern car I mentioned, and an
O&W car. Both 36' cars. Most of the hardware on the body was plastic, like the
corner straps, and I think I ditched the plastic brake gear that came with the
models and substituted brass parts beause I wanted to solder it all together. I
think I built those about '75, and I did complete brake gear.

I'm not so sure you have to go replacing stuff. Some sanding sealer on the
sides and roof made the surface pretty smooth, but Tony Thompson will tell you
those are >>canyons<< between each board!

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: John Fitts [mailto:jefitts2003@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:42 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] (unknown) Canadian Railway Models


Sounds like a guy could replace the milled basswood sheathing
with styrene, the crude cast potmetal parts with comtemporary
injection molded ones, and end up with a pretty nice model
(of course, with all that it's not bery far removed from
scratchbuilding, I reckon).

Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...>
wrote:That's about right, though I'd consider it an upgrade
from Main Line. Kinda in-between the two. I have a Canadian
Northern car, and I think another, not sure. Made up into
nice models, at least at that time (mid-70s).

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Aultman [mailto:raul@...]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:34 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] (unknown)


I have one of those for Barf Beer. I would liken it more
to Main Line
than LaBelle. Roger Aultman



John Fitts wrote:
Does anyone know anything about a company (probably long
since defunct) called Canadian Railway Models? At one time they
offered U.S. and Canadian prototype truss rod reefers in
34', 36' and
38' lengths. My guess is the construction was basswood with cast
metal details.

How was their quality in comparison, let's say, with a
LaBelle, an Ambroid, or a Main Line kit?

As time allows I'll plow through my collection of Model
Railroaders from the '50s in search of their ads or maybe a product
review.

John


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Re: What Front range and CB&T kits have any value

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bill McCoy asked:
"I'm cleaning house before the Jax Train show. Are there any
prototypes to be made from Front range 40' and 50' box car shells and
the CB&T 1944 AAR 40' box car shell? The frames and appliances are
worthless but the bodies look pretty well done. I have FR DD and SD
40's with fishbelly sidesills and 50' DDs welded and riveted."

The Front Range and C&BT Car Shops single door 40 ft postwar AAR boxcars
have been largely superceded by models currently available from Branchline,
Intermountain, and Red Caboose. If you have any C&BT 12-panel side cars
with 7 ft or 8 ft doors, I recommend hanging on to them as there is no other
kit available. As for the Front Range cars, I wasn't aware that they
offered the 40 ft single door cars with full sidesills. You might want to
hang on to them if you plan on doing any 1960s 40 ft cars, as the full
sidesill will save you some work depending on the prototype.

As Tim noted, you could replace the underframes, going as far as cutting out
the ones on the Front Range kit, but I caution you against the law of
diminishing returns. Why cut out a Front Range floor if the same prototype
can be modeled from a Branchline kit? I don't know about you, but my time's
well worth the delta between the selling price of that Front Range kit and
the price of a new Branchline kit. If your cars are in resalable condition,
I'd get rid of all but the ones I mentioned above.

BTW, Ed Hawkins wrote up how to correct underframes for 8 ft door cars:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/articles/btuframemain.html


"Also is there any prototype for the Central Valley underframes?"

The CV underframes are from their NP stock car kit. They were marketed as
replacements for Athearn, et. al. house car underframes; however, the
kingpin to striker measurement is 5 ft, which is incorrect for post-1932 AAR
boxcars. I purchased a bunch a long time ago to modify
Walthers/Train-Miniature X29s, but they don't really work for that as the
crossmember locations are different. They might work for other 1920s
prototype house cars after narrowing - double check from your prototype
information first though.


Ben Hom


Old D&RGW hopper cars

proto48er
 

I have two brass kits that need building. They are for PRR Glc
hopper cars. I already have two Glca hoppers and the PRR Glc's are
out of my time period (3/15/1948 to 4/15/1948). I would like to make
the following (standard gauge) cars from the kits:

(1) A "cut-off" D&RGW hopper from number series D&RGW #18200-18223.
These are shorter than the PRR cars and will be a challenge to
build. They were built in 1899-1900 by PSCC and rebuilt by D&RGW in
1926. The top 15" of the car has been cut off all around, making it
look more like a gondola than a hopper. These lasted into the 1950's
in small numbers (4 in service in 4/1948 ORER). The Midland Terminal
had a similar car (would be an easy conversion - it WAS an ex-PRR
Glc) that was also cut down and used as an ore car until 1947.
However, I do not think it was in interchange service. There is a
photo of it in the MT book. I have an excellent D&RGW diagram for
the cars, and I can do the conversion, but I need a PHOTO of the car
after the 1926 conversion.

(2) A "non-cut-off" D&RGW hopper from number series D&RGW #18224-
18271. This is the same car as in (1), but are in the original
configuration - ie., they are 15" taller. These were built by PSCC
in 1900 and rebuilt by D&RGW in 1926. In 4/1948, 3 cars were in the
ORER as hoppers and 6 cars were rostered as covered hoppers. The
covered hoppers were converted by D&RGW in 1942 by adding a wood roof
with 4 hatches (total). They were renumbered in 1942 as D&RGW #18300-
18315. Both of these types lasted into the early 1950's also.

My request is simple - DOES ANYONE HAVE A PHOTO of any of these
cars?? I searched the archive and came up with nothing.

They were probably in captive service in some out-of-the-way place in
Utah that was so ugly that no one took a picture of them - almost
certainly in ore service.

These are neat looking old cars. They are almost identical to the
PSCC cars built for UP, according to the diagrams for both. The UP
cars were out of service by 1945 - of course, there are lots of
photos of them. B&O had cars of similar length and design, but they
were more narrow for some odd reason, and did not make it into the
1940's. I believe that someone must have photographed them! They
were truly an anachronism in the late 1940's.

Thanks in advance for your help! A.T. Kott


Re: Bomb shipments

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Feb 8, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Larry Smith wrote:


If I'm not mistaken the WRR reporting marks were used by the Warrior
River Railroad here in the Birmingham area. I also belive that Martin
has a model of the 32 AAR boxcar that thye had. As far as the W of A
being part of the Southern at one time, don't think so.
WRT CO and WRT for Warrior River Terminal, later IWC (Inland Waterways Corp) and FBL (Federal Barge Lines).

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
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(650) 787-1912


Re: What Front range and CB&T kits have any value

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill, the hands down best, inexpensive, 40 and 50 foot, noncushion
replacement underframes for postwar AAR box cars are made by Accurail.
If you are willing to chop out the floor of the Front Range cars, or
simply toss out the C&BT underframes, then the Accurail underframe
is almost a drop-in. Now, these underframes are technically only
correct for particular door widths, but if you can live with that
problem they're great. The Front Range body tooling was very good IMO.
Red Caboose redid the 40 foot cars and they're even better, but they
used the underframes from their 1937 cars! Branchline and Intermountain
make good postwar underframes too, but its not a complete floor + uf
like the Accurail.

The riveted 50 foot cars are great for... Southern Pacific! And only
a few others. The welded cars can be applied to a number of owners,
especially since narrowing the door opening or modeling a wider door
is pretty easy. I don't know about the 40 foot fishbelly off the top
of my head.

Now that I think of it, Red Caboose did at least two different styles
of tab sill for the 40 foot cars with 8 foot doors, something no one
else has done that I know of.

Tim

I'm cleaning house before the Jax Train show. Are there any
prototypes to be made from Front range 40' and 50' box car shells and
the CB&T 1944 AAR 40' box car shell. The frames and appliances are
worthless but the bodies look pretty well done. I have FR DD and SD
40's with fishbelly sidesills and 50' DDs welded and riveted. Also is
there any prototype for the Central Valley underframes?

Bill McCoy
Jax


What Front range and CB&T kits have any value

Bill McCoy <bugsy451@...>
 

I'm cleaning house before the Jax Train show. Are there any
prototypes to be made from Front range 40' and 50' box car shells and
the CB&T 1944 AAR 40' box car shell. The frames and appliances are
worthless but the bodies look pretty well done. I have FR DD and SD
40's with fishbelly sidesills and 50' DDs welded and riveted. Also is
there any prototype for the Central Valley underframes?

Bill McCoy
Jax


Bomb shipments

Larry Smith
 

If I'm not mistaken the WRR reporting marks were used by the Warrior River Railroad here in the Birmingham area. I also belive that Martin has a model of the 32 AAR boxcar that thye had. As far as the W of A being part of the Southern at one time, don't think so.

Larry Smith


Re: Ordnance Works and Freight Cars

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

I was stationed on an ammo ship out of Concord in the mid seventies and
seem to remember six wheel Alco? switchers
making all the moves to the pier. I routinely saw all the pier
trackage but never saw the other end

Roger H.

On Feb 8, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Denny Anspach wrote:


About ten years ago, about fifteen of us took our track motorcars and
were treated to a comprehensive Sunday tour of all of the trackage in
then very active Concord Naval Weapons Station on the north side of
Concord, California. A short rail line connected with the adjacent
Port Chicago Naval Depot on SF Bay, where the ammunition ships were
loaded (and where the notorious WWII incident of the black stevedores
loading the ammunition ships took place).

It was a fascinating experience, hampered only by an absolute
prohibition on photography (very frustrating for a Sacramento Bee
newspaper reporter and photographer with me trying to write a feature
story!).

Virtually every single bit of internal and external transport or
movement of bombs and other ordnance was undertaken *only by rail*,
and this only in a vast fleet of meticulously-maintained
solid-bearinged silver boxcars that still had running boards, and (by
memory only) seemed to be similar to, if not PS-1s (perhaps someone
will know more in this regard). These boxcars were also principally
used as mobile storage, and the track layout was so designed.

There was track everywhere (101 miles of it in about 5000 acres). I
have never seen so many turnouts, diamonds (straight and curved), or
spurs anywhere. It was a boy's fantastic dream layout, given an
infinite number of tinplate turnouts, crossings, and track.

A given line would go along a corridor, and every so many hundred
feet, spurs would peel off right and left into street-railway type
curves, each spur ending in a thick concrete revetment surrounded on
two or three sides by very high berms. Along the hillsides, the
revetments would be cave-like. There seemed to be thousands of
these, each sized to hold one 40' boxcar. This is how the ordnance
was stored, ready to move!

The lines climbed up the sides of hills. They interconnected
everywhere. The maintenance of the track and roadbed was *perfect*.
Perfect clean ballast shaped into a sharp prism. Ties perfect. Not a
weed or blade of grass to be seen. All rail also "perfect" with no
low joints, or visible or palpable wear. The railroad's GM (a former
ATSF person) reminded us of the Zero Defect policy when one is moving
explosive devices, and even a simple bump, much less a minor
derailment was cause for the most intensive serious investigation, if
not discipline. 15 mph was the drop-dead speed limit (as it was for
us as well. Fouled spark plugs plagued us the whole day in this
regard!).

We were unable to take the line out onto the wharves (big
disappointment), the reason for which I never understood.

Currently, as I understand it, the Station is largely moth-balled,
and the port Depot is now an Army facility. I presume that the
hundreds of time-warp boxcars are probably still there, although I do
not know for certain.

Denny




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Re: bomb shipments

Clyde Williams <billdgoat@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "fredmit2000" <FredWMit@a...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Jack Wyatt" <cjwyatt@b...> wrote:
For your enjoyment and enlightenment:

Southern Railway train 1/50 departing Asheville, NC for Spencer,
NC
at 10:45
pm, 1/3/1944.

WRR <sic> 84221 <WABASH?>
One of the components of the old Southern was "Western Railway of
Alabama", but I don't know if it had its own reporting marks.
Someone
else might verify this one way or the other. I think Wabash was
always WAB.
Fred Mitchell, Dallas, TX
Reporting marks were W. of A. In the 1943 ORER they had no cars in
the 84000 series.
FWIW there was a Ware Shoals RR Co but it was a short connecting line
in S.C. and had no freight cars.
Looks like Wabash is still the best guess.
Bill Williams


Re: Box car interiors [Was: MILW Rib-Side cars]

ken_olson54022 <kwolson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@s...> wrote:
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Jeff, the MILW made their own welded panel doors, which were
unusually
thin
and fit outside the upper door tracks. As a result, the widest
point
on
the cars wasn't the doors but the side ladders. By putting flush
panels
behind the ladders and grabs on the sides, it was possible to get
another
couple of inches of inside width without having the ladders
exceed the
then-current AAR clearance diagram.
Sounds brilliant on Milwaukee's part; but the AAR, like the
ARA
and MCB before them, had attempted to standardize interior
dimensions
of box cars for the convenience of shippers. You may think that an
enlargement couldn't hurt, but for those who pre-cut bracing and
other
dunnage for their loads, the Milwaukee cars would have been an
irritation.
Then the Milw. car interiors may have actually been different. In
the mid 70's I worked for a short while at the Andersen Window plant
in Bayport, Mn. - served by the Milwaukee Rd. The guys who loaded the
boxcars for shipment to wholesalers were all "old heads" who could
look at the order and figure out in their heads how to load the car
so that everything was as tight as possible to minimize damage. I
was told that they would only load to a certain group of ribside
boxes if at all possible, and Andersen Corp. was the reason that
these cars stayed in service as long as they did. They were preferred
to newer, cushioned underframed cars, etc.
Ken Olson
Western Wi.


Re: bomb shipments

Clyde Williams <billdgoat@...>
 

It seems obvious that during WWII, the AAR rules regarding return of
empties were not followed, at least for priority military shipments
Bill Williams


Ordnance Works and Freight Cars

Michael Aufderheide
 

Denny,

Thank you for the fascinating account. I've found the
aerial of the place from 1993. See:

http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=10&X=1463&Y=10530&W=3&qs=%7cconcord%7cca%7c

Make sure you get the whole URL.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide
Chicago




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Re: Ordnance Works and Freight Cars

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

About ten years ago, about fifteen of us took our track motorcars and were treated to a comprehensive Sunday tour of all of the trackage in then very active Concord Naval Weapons Station on the north side of Concord, California. A short rail line connected with the adjacent Port Chicago Naval Depot on SF Bay, where the ammunition ships were loaded (and where the notorious WWII incident of the black stevedores loading the ammunition ships took place).

It was a fascinating experience, hampered only by an absolute prohibition on photography (very frustrating for a Sacramento Bee newspaper reporter and photographer with me trying to write a feature story!).

Virtually every single bit of internal and external transport or movement of bombs and other ordnance was undertaken *only by rail*, and this only in a vast fleet of meticulously-maintained solid-bearinged silver boxcars that still had running boards, and (by memory only) seemed to be similar to, if not PS-1s (perhaps someone will know more in this regard). These boxcars were also principally used as mobile storage, and the track layout was so designed.

There was track everywhere (101 miles of it in about 5000 acres). I have never seen so many turnouts, diamonds (straight and curved), or spurs anywhere. It was a boy's fantastic dream layout, given an infinite number of tinplate turnouts, crossings, and track.

A given line would go along a corridor, and every so many hundred feet, spurs would peel off right and left into street-railway type curves, each spur ending in a thick concrete revetment surrounded on two or three sides by very high berms. Along the hillsides, the revetments would be cave-like. There seemed to be thousands of these, each sized to hold one 40' boxcar. This is how the ordnance was stored, ready to move!

The lines climbed up the sides of hills. They interconnected everywhere. The maintenance of the track and roadbed was *perfect*. Perfect clean ballast shaped into a sharp prism. Ties perfect. Not a weed or blade of grass to be seen. All rail also "perfect" with no low joints, or visible or palpable wear. The railroad's GM (a former ATSF person) reminded us of the Zero Defect policy when one is moving explosive devices, and even a simple bump, much less a minor derailment was cause for the most intensive serious investigation, if not discipline. 15 mph was the drop-dead speed limit (as it was for us as well. Fouled spark plugs plagued us the whole day in this regard!).

We were unable to take the line out onto the wharves (big disappointment), the reason for which I never understood.

Currently, as I understand it, the Station is largely moth-balled, and the port Depot is now an Army facility. I presume that the hundreds of time-warp boxcars are probably still there, although I do not know for certain.

Denny




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Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


WAG to L&NW hand-me-down?

Fred Mitchell
 

The Accurail website shows three single sheathed boxcar models
lettered for
FtDDM&S, L&NW and WAG (www.accurail.com/accurail/art/3300/3367.jpg).
I understand these roads had a common
ownership, and in Mainline Modeler, Aug 86, there is a picture of WAG
5014, which was actually a former B&M 1924 ARA Standard boxcar (angle
braces run the wrong way on the Accurail model). What I want to know
is, did L&NW actually receive such a car, either direct from B&M or
handed down from WAG? Hoping someone with an Equipment Register can
answer, as I'd like to model it if it actually ever existed.

I have a couple of pictures of L&NW 1932 ARA or X-29 cars numbered in
6000 series, so L&NW 5004 seems to be a logical number.

If you look at the Accurail pictures, it's embarrassingly clear that
the odd slanted lettering that spells out the full name of FtD..etc
and L&NW would fit the angle braces if they were correct, as can be
seen in the MM picture of WAG 5014.
Fred Mitchell, Dallas, TX


[Espee] Bay Area Prototype Modelers Meet - April 30, 2005

Jim Scott
 

I just got off the phone with Rob Sarberenyi and we were talking
about the Bay Area Prototype Modelers Meet scheduled for April 20,
2005.

He isn't a member of this list but he asked me to post the following
because of the interest that has been shown for the last couple of
days.

He told me that this meet is definately on and will cover many time
eras. It will probably have many displays of modern equipment but
will also have displays of steam and transition equipment also. As
he said it will depend on the interest and what the modelers bring to
display.

He said that if you had any questions that he would be happy to
answer anyone who would send him an email. His address is :
espeef5@.... He will be out of town until this weekend but
will get back with you as soon as he can. He also said that there is
a website in development and it will be active shortly.

Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA.

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Rob Sarberenyi's original email:

I know some of you will receive this message several times, sorry for
the cross posts to the various lists...

Mark you calendars to attend the second annual San Francisco Bay Area
Prototype Modelers (BAPM) meet in Newark, CA. We've reserved the
space and are planning for a great get together! Spend a day with
local prototype railroad modelers, visit with and see the
manufacturer tables, attend some great clinics, and enjoy a fun-
filled raffle!

We welcome modelers of all roads, scales, and eras.

What: Bay Area Prototype Modelers Meet 2005

When: Saturday, April 30, 2005
10:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.

Where: George M. Silliman Activity Center
6800 Mowry Avenue
Newark CA 94560

Map: http://shorterlink.com/?4I6JKO

Registration: Before April 16: $15.00
After April 16: $18.00

Bringing together railroad prototype modelers from across Northern
California and Northern Nevada, this event will feature:
- Clinics on prototype and modeling subjects
- Display tables for models - and bring along those unfinished
projects!
- Manufacturer tables - see the latest parts and kits
- Raffle for great prizes!

For a look back at BAPM 2003 held in conjunction with CP MaggieFest,
visit
these sites:
www.geocities.com/crimlawhelp/cpmf
http://www.geocities.com/crimlawhelp/cpmfabout.html
http://www.pbase.com/espeeboy/cpmf03_bapm
http://www.pbase.com/espeeboy/cpmf03

For more information on BAPM 2005, please contact:

Rob Sarberenyi
37171 Sycamore St. #1427
Newark CA 94560

Email: espeef5@...

Include a SASE with written inquiries.

Make checks or money orders payable to: Rob Sarberenyi c/o BAPM
You can also pre-pay via PayPal, contact espeef5@... for
details:

When registering be sure to include your:
Name
Address
City
State
ZIP
Phone (optional)
Email

The local BAPM Organizing Committee includes:
- Elizabeth Allen
- Thom Anderson
- Ryan Martin
- Bob Pires
- Dave Pires
- Rob Sarberenyi
- Harry Wong

Additional resources include:
- Tim Costello
- Dave Hussey
- Brian Rutherford

We are currently preparing topics for clinics/presentations.
Additional
details on BAPM 2005 will be available soon.


Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@...

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