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PRR Steel Boxcar Kits

Shawn Beckert
 

IMHO There are far too Few Pennsy steel Box Cars other than the
X29s.For what it's worth.Armand Premo
Not to pile on, but isn't Branchline's 50' AAR boxcar a pretty fair
version of an X44?

Shawn Beckert


Coincidence? Or Wab-Milw connection?

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

I picked up a couple of photos of Wabash wood cabeese - 2152taken on 8/18/45 and 2220 taken ? - likely both taken around Streator, IL.

Interestingly, both cars have Milw. rib side cars in the photos - the 2152 in front of one advertising the route of the electrified Hiawathas, and the 2220 trailing one I just can't make out the number of.

If you go to
http://rswebber.rrpicturearchives.net/

and go to the cabooses section you can (or should be able to) bring up the two photos. Just (perhaps?) odd that the two photos would have these two boxes in the photos. Or is it?


Re: X29 NYC USRA Box Cars

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Feb 15, 2005, at 1:31 PM, armprem1 wrote:

IMHO There are far too Few Pennsy steel Box Cars other than the
X29s.For what it's worth.Armand Premo
X25 - Westerfield
X26c - coming from Sunshine
X31 family - Sunshine, West Shore Line and Bowser
X37 - Sunshine
X41 - Sunshine

These cover a LOT of cars in addition to the X29 family. An X38 would be nice, but we're hardly starving!

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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Re: NYC "USRA" Boxcars - How Many is Enough?

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Feb 15, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

  Bruce Smith wrote:
> Unless you model PRR where the home road percentage kicks in and
> results in a higher population of X29s... For my 500 car fleet,  I
need
> 29 X29s and only 9 NYC box cars (and therefore several more of the
NYC
> "USRA" steel cars than the two I have already)

          Bruce, I guess you don't buy into the Tim Gilbert/Dave
Nelson
results on box car distribution <g>; or are you just another of those
Pennsy guys so blinded by the keystone  that they can't see the light?
Now wait a minute!!!<G> These numbers are based almost entirely on the
data presented here over the years. I won't speak for Tim, but my
interpretation of his data is that my fleet should fit the national
percentages, with the _exception_ of the home road cars.

During my era, PRR averaged 50% home road cars.
For my 500 car fleet, that means 250 PRR cars
Based on the major classes (see
http://kc.pennsyrr.com//forms/topclass/index.html), there were roughly
220,000 cars, so 220 of my 250 will be based on that distribution with
the remaining 30 allowed as "swing" for unusual issues like stock cars,
odd flat cars, etc.

I'll need 28 (sorry not 29) X29s, 10 X26s, 9 X25s, 7 X31As, 6 X23s, 5
X28As, 2 X38s, 2 X25As, 1 X37B, 1 X31B and 1 X37 for a grand total of
72 box cars.

Now, once we'd gotten this far, I found out that the 50% home road
number was for the entire fleet, and so is likely biased by hoppers and
gons, with home road box cars running at less than 50%. If I use 100
as the anticipated size of the foreign box car fleet, that gives me 42%
home road box cars. 150 foreign cars brings it down to around 33%

So, if I go with 100 "foreign" boxcars, and NYC has 9% of the total box
car fleet, I will need 9 cars and if I go with the 150 level, I will
need 13-14 NYC box cars, total.

Heck, I even need an SP boxcar or two (or 4-6 actually <G>)

To be honest, my target right now is the 100 car level, because I have
to acquire and BUILD all those cars <VBG>. My eventual target will be
to get the home road box cars down to 30% (although I stress that there
is no known number other than the 50% cited for the whole fleet!)

Regards
Bruce

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Re: PRR X29s & NYC USRA Box Cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Armand Premo wrote:
IMHO there are far too few Pennsy steel Box Cars other than the
X29s. For what it's worth.

In what context? Available kits? Layout representation?

I don't buy your argument from a model railroad fleet perspective.
The X29 made up over 40% of the PRR general service boxcar fleet in
1950 (approximately 25,000 X29, approximately 60,000 total PRR XM).
Because of its low height, it's instantly recognizable as a Pennsy
boxcar, making it a "signature car" as well. I do agree with you
that for the other 60%, you can use more variety as the other steel
boxcar classes are, for the most part, much smaller, but any way you
slice it, the X29 should be your most numerous PRR boxcar on your
layout, no matter what North American standard gauge railroad you
model.


Ben Hom


Re: X29 NYC USRA Box Cars

armprem
 

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IMHO There are far too Few Pennsy steel Box Cars other than the
X29s.For what it's worth.Armand Premo







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Re: Chicago--Hobby Shop

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I have fond memories of the Two-State Hobby Shop in Texarkana. In the early
70's, when all I had was my parent's Humble card, I frequented that place
often. Combination motel, hobby shop and gas station.

Bought an awful lot of gasoline and even a couple sets of tires there......

8^)
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni

From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:31:07 -0800
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Chicago--Hobby Shop


John Fitts responds to Bruce Brantner's query about Chicago hobby shops:

By far the best in Chicago:

Zientek's, 2001 W. 18th Street (corner of Damen & 18th). It's a hobby
shop and tavern, owned by John Zientek, an avid model railroader.
Yeah, John, but will Bruce be able to find his way home after he's bought
the parts he wants, plus the Goose Island Honker's Ale he consumes while
shopping?

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


X29 NYC USRA Box Cars

armprem
 

IMHO There are far too Few Pennsy steel Box Cars other than the
X29s.For what it's worth.Armand Premo


Re: Chicago--Hobby Shop

Richard Hendrickson
 

John Fitts responds to Bruce Brantner's query about Chicago hobby shops:

By far the best in Chicago:

Zientek's, 2001 W. 18th Street (corner of Damen & 18th). It's a hobby
shop and tavern, owned by John Zientek, an avid model railroader.
Yeah, John, but will Bruce be able to find his way home after he's bought
the parts he wants, plus the Goose Island Honker's Ale he consumes while
shopping?

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Chicago--Hobby Shop

John Fitts <jefitts2003@...>
 

Yeah. One stop shopping, you might say.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:John Fitts wrote:
By far the best in Chicago:
Zientek's, 2001 W. 18th Street (corner of Damen & 18th). It's a hobby
shop and tavern . . .
Now this is serious progress in the hobby! WIsh we had one of
those around here. I usually only get the pleasure of combining those
two activities at Naperville and Cocoa Beach.

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Re: Chicago--Hobby Shop

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

John Fitts wrote:
By far the best in Chicago:
Zientek's, 2001 W. 18th Street (corner of Damen & 18th). It's a hobby shop and tavern . . .
Now this is serious progress in the hobby! WIsh we had one of those around here. I usually only get the pleasure of combining those two activities at Naperville and Cocoa Beach.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Chicago--Hobby Shop

John Fitts <jefitts2003@...>
 

By far the best in Chicago:

Zientek's, 2001 W. 18th Street (corner of Damen & 18th). It's a hobby shop and tavern, owned by John Zientek, an avid model railroader.

Bruce Brantner <sfcoyote_2000@...> wrote:
Hope you don't mind the off topic post. I am going
into Chicago this coming Saturday. I will be driving
on I-55 to Lake Shore Drive, and then on to the
University of Chicago. Can anyone suggest any hobby
shops along that path or in that area? I am looking
for shops that have a good offering of parts for
scratch building and kit bashing freight cars.

I realize that Chicago Land Hobby and Des Plaines
hobby are great for parts. But they would be way out
of the way.

Bruce

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Re: Update: AMB R/Bs for Sunshine SAL Box Cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

John Golden wrote:
"John also indicated he'd be willing to make custom
running boards for other models. I think a great next
candidate would be the Red Caboose X29 car. The r/b in
the kit is okay but not great, and the wood r/b made
by RC for the X29 is horrible. So, let's see how the
Sunshine r/bs come out first and we'll go from there."

How well have the AMB wood running boards held up in service? I'm
not that big a fan of scale lumber for running boards, as I've had
to repair a large number of them on the NEB&W due to warpage from
seasonal climate changes.


Ben Hom


Re: NYC "USRA" Boxcars - How Many is Enough?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
Unless you model PRR where the home road percentage kicks in and
results in a higher population of X29s... For my 500 car fleet, I need
29 X29s and only 9 NYC box cars (and therefore several more of the NYC
"USRA" steel cars than the two I have already)
Bruce, I guess you don't buy into the Tim Gilbert/Dave Nelson results on box car distribution <g>; or are you just another of those Pennsy guys so blinded by the keystone that they can't see the light?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

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--- In STMFC@..., STMFC@... wrote:

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6 pictures are in Photos. Maybe I'll learn how navigate this one day.

Bill McCoy
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Re: Chicago--Hobby Shop

John F. Cizmar
 

Bruce,
Golden Spike (Burbank), Al's Hobbies (Elmhurst) & The Right Track (Palos Heights) all have excellent selections. There are others but I've been to these. You can contact me offline with questions.
John Cizmar
Bruce Brantner <sfcoyote_2000@...> wrote:
Hope you don't mind the off topic post. I am going
into Chicago this coming Saturday. I will be driving
on I-55 to Lake Shore Drive, and then on to the
University of Chicago. Can anyone suggest any hobby
shops along that path or in that area? I am looking
for shops that have a good offering of parts for
scratch building and kit bashing freight cars.

I realize that Chicago Land Hobby and Des Plaines
hobby are great for parts. But they would be way out
of the way.

Bruce

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Re: box/caboose car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Thomas M. Olsen wrote:
I think that you may find an article in an early MR sometime between
1955 and 1965 on this car. I remember seeing it and if I can find it, I
will let you know which issue. It may be in the Kalmbach magazine index.
Tom, if you're referring to the SPdeM car, I have an excellent Gerry Best photo of one, along with a whole bunch of funky, probably one-of-a-kind SPdeM cabooses. I decided not to cover them, as I can't be complete and it's on the boundary of what people want to know about SP. The same goes, to some extent, for PE cabooses, about which I gave only a brief summary. There are other PE sources, after all.

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Re: box/caboose car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Arthur Marr wrote:
On the second level of the California State Railroad Museum there is a
large photo of an oil tank fire at the Sacramento shops
in 1907. This photo looks over the roof tops of a group of SP cabooses at
least 3 of which are box car cabooses. All three have
benches on the roofs. One car in the foreground is SP Cal. 14270. I was
hoping that I could learn more about these in SP caboose
book but they are not mentioned..
Art, I was aware of that photo but had ZERO other information or evidence and was hesitant to mention anything so vague. If I could add more, I would have done so already.

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Chicago--Hobby Shop

Bruce
 

Hope you don't mind the off topic post. I am going
into Chicago this coming Saturday. I will be driving
on I-55 to Lake Shore Drive, and then on to the
University of Chicago. Can anyone suggest any hobby
shops along that path or in that area? I am looking
for shops that have a good offering of parts for
scratch building and kit bashing freight cars.

I realize that Chicago Land Hobby and Des Plaines
hobby are great for parts. But they would be way out
of the way.

Bruce

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