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Re: Sunshine gons

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Ted, do you know what quality product he gets using this process as compared
to say, Al's way?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Culotta [mailto:tculotta@speedwitch.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:16 AM


**** I have no knowledge of any of the issues or non-issues related to
casting of these cars. **** What I can offer is that he is pouring the
"one-piece" bodies that are not actually bodies, but four-sided, one-piece
castings of the sides and ends. Full blown one-piece casting is what Al and
Steve Funaro do and involves a more complex process than what martin did for
these gons.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Milw. Road Rib-Side Cars

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

Ed,

Can't wait for that volume to go to print! Thanks to Mr. Wider
for doing this research.
Knowing that there were several lengths, widths, and patterns
of ribs over the various series of rib side cars, I understand that
the following may not be generally true. However, I've crawled
around on some of these cars including one (made into an ice cream
stand!) in Duluth, Minnesota, and also measured a rib side caboose
which is parked in New Lisbon, Wisconsin. I won't admit to climbing
on any others. ;> I have noticed that the lap joints do not occur
under every rib. I've observed that the panels overlap only every
other rib. I'm looking at a Bob's Photo shot of MILW 24711, which
has the "intermediate ribs", and the shadow under the rib is
darker/heavier, and also a little bit more jagged(indicating a lap
joint instead of just a joggle in the sheet metal)underneath the
(starting from the top)2nd, 4th, and 6th rib. The 1st, 3rd, and 5th
ribs are merely pressed into the middle of the sheet. Also, the
panel between the 6th rib and the side sill appears to be a separate
piece, with a "flat" as opposed to hat section joggle which laps
over the side sill.
The caboose exhibited spot welds, but also a lot of continuous
bead welds. There were bead welds at random locations along the lap
joints. Repairs maybe?
Also: Yes, the flat panels on the short ribbed cars are flush
with the ribbed panels, and do not appear to allow any additional
clearance; the grabs and ladders still extend out beyond the ribbed
panels. The flat panels that I've seen were bead welded to the
ribbed panels.

Hope this helps a little. Good luck on the article!

Regards,
Phil Buchwald


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:
STMFC,
I have been asked by Pat Wider to share with you the following
information he has compiled on Milwaukee Road rib-side cars. This
and
more will be in an article in a future volume of Railway Prototype
Cyclopedia. Please advise if you have any information to the
contrary.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


* The car sides were fabricated using narrow, individual,
longitudinal side-sheet strips or panels that extended between
the
doors and ends and were joined to one another using spot
welding. The
"ribs" were not separate pieces attached to the car sides but
were
actually corrugations pressed into the individual longitudinal
side-sheet panels. The panels overlapped one another with the
only
visible seams being created at the bottom of the panels just
below the
ribs, much like roof shingles.


Re: Pacific Electric B-50-13/14 SS cars with outside brake rigging

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

I am looking for some underbody or close up views of the outside
brake
rigging used on PE SS boxcars to allow negotiation of tight curves.
I'm interested in how to model the brake staff connections etc...
thanks in advance
Stefan Lerché
Duncan BC Canada
Try these:

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/PE_1.jpg
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/PE_2.jpg
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/PE_3.jpg

I took those at Perris CA in 1988. The bluish regions in PE_2 and
PE_3 are from dodging those areas to make the brake chain and
linkage more visible.

I'll leave those photos up for a day or two.

Tom Madden


Durability and accuracy of Tichy USRA hopper decals

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm considering using Tichy #9029 decals for USRA and panel side
hoppers for an upcoming D&H hopper project. I've heard that these
decals don't take well to setting solutions. Does anyone who has
experience with these decals care to comment? Also, how accurate are
these decals?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Pacific Electric B-50-13/14 SS cars with outside brake rigging

oliver
 

I am looking for some underbody or close up views of the outside brake
rigging used on PE SS boxcars to allow negotiation of tight curves.
I'm interested in how to model the brake staff connections etc...
thanks in advance
Stefan Lerché
Duncan BC Canada


Re: Sunshine Naperville 2004 Gondolas

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

no one can see it anyway.

Did Ted write that????
Clark propst


Re: PRR Stock Cars - Final Dates in Revenue Service

Larry Grubb <larry450sl@...>
 

Ben,
April 1952 ORER: 648317-648326 3 cars
January 1953 ORER: 648326 1 car
Hope this helps,
Larry Grubb

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Forgot one thing that would make it easier - here are the number
series:

PRR 648314-648338, K7 (7/1950 - 15, none listed in 1/1955)
PRR 134079-135499, K7A (10/1963 - 3, none listed in 4/1968)
PRR 128079-129078, K8 (10/1963 - 2, none listed in 4/1968)


Ben Hom




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Re: Lumber trains and SP box cars from Fraley

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Mike Brock wrote:

While beginning a look through my Fraley for autos & auto parts, I notice
three "lumber trains" heading east. The consists of these three trains are
interesting primarily because of the presence and lack thereof of SP cars.
The first train on Mar 3, '49, was 77 cars in length and contained 27 SP
cars carrying lumber. Of the 27, 25 were box cars and 2 were flats. Of the
25 box cars, 9 were 50 ft long. Two additional SP box cars were in the
train...40 fters carrying paper and something unreadable. There were 21 cars
of other RRs in the train carrying lumber. Thus, 35% of the train were SP
box cars, 32.5% were SP box cars carrying lumber and 62% were cars carrying
lumber. Compare this to a train on Apr 7, '49, which contained 98 cars. Of
these, 58 carried lumber and 4 were SP box cars. One more SP box car was in
the train giving SP box cars a 5% presence....closer to the national
average. The third train, on Apr 16, 1949, contained 93 cars. Of these, 34
were SP box cars, 32 carrying lumber. 27 other RR cars were also carrying
lumber. 36.6% of the cars were SP box cars, 34.4% were SP box cars carrying
carrying lumber. 27 other cars were also carrying lumber giving lumber
content cars 63.4% of the train. Trains 1 & 3 are remarkably similar in
content...as far as lumber and SP box cars is concerned. I am surprised at
the small number of flat cars carrying lumber.
Most of the eastbound "Lumber Trains" also had "Reefers" in them in my Fall 1947 Fraley. Indeed, "lumber" may have been the interloper into the "Reefer Trains" - Indeed, all the "Lumber" and "Reefer Trains" had lumber and produce intermingled - at least during the Fall of 1947.

In total, there were 267 cars carrying lumber eastbound of which 168 were "XM" boxcars; 16 "XMR" boxcars; 6 "XAR" boxcars; 6 "XA" boxcars; 1 "XAF" boxcar; 1 "XAB" boxcars; 2 "VM" ventilated boxcars; 12 Stockcars; 20 Gondolas; and 35 Flat Cars.

Of the 35 Flats, four were owned by the UP; six by the SP; four each by the PM and C&NW; two each by the NYC, PRR and L&N; and one each for the MONON, ERIE, B&LE, EJ&E, C&O, ACL, M&SL, NP, GN, CRI&P, and CN.

Of the 20 Gons, one was owned by the UP; three by the PRR; two each for the CB&Q, P&LE and SOU; and one each for the L&N, IC, CG, WAB, NYC, B&LE, EJ&E, RDG, KCS and SP.

Of the 12 Stock Cars, two were owned by the UP; three by the C&NW; two by the NP and SP; one each by the PRR, L&N and CB&Q.

The 2 Ventilated Boxcars were owned by the ACL and SAL.

Of the 6 "XA" Autocars, two each were owned by the PRR and CRI&P; and one apiece for the MILW and SLSF.

Of the 6 "XAR" Boxcars, two were owned by the ATSF; and one each by the MILW, CB&Q, SSW and MP.

The 1 "XAB" was owned by the SOU, and the 1 XAF" Furniture car was owned by the CG.

Of the 16 "XMR's, eight were owned by the UP; three each by the NYC and NYC; and one each for the SLSF and MILW.

Of the 168 "XM" General Service Boxcars, fourteen were owned by the UP; sixteen by the SP; twenty-eight by the PRR; thirteen by the NYC; eight by the SOU; six each by the WAB, CRI&P, and MP (incl. subs.); five each by the MILW, NP, and SLSF; four each by the B&O, C&O, ACL, and SOO; three each for the W&LE, IC, L&N, CB&Q and GN; two each for the B&M, GTW, N&W, CMO, C&NW and T&NO; and one each for the MEC, ERIE, IHB, LV, DT&I, NKP, WRA, ATSF, L&A and CP. There were two boxcars which could not be traced.


Fraley uses several terms for contents that I'm not sure of. He uses "CO"
for company [ UP ] and adds "L" or "lump" followed by "Coal" for company
lump coal, presumably for steam loco use. He uses "Co RM" or "RM company".
I'm not sure what the "RM" is. He also uses "Xa", "Xb", "Xg", "Xh" and "Xr".
No idea what they mean. I'm reasonably sure "Xt" is for empty.
"XA" - Empty Autocar
"XA" - Empty Boxcar
"XC" - Empty Coal Car
"XD" or "XDD" - Empty Double Deck Stockcar
"XG" - Empty Gon
"XH" - Empty Hopper
"XR" - Empty Reefer
"XT" - Empty Tank Car

Hope this helps, Tim Gilbert


Re: History of corrugated box car ends?

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

I didn't mean to confuse people by implying the "INDY" end was a
corrugated steel end. That's the end I was searching for at the
patent site.

Bob Witt

CBarkan@a... wrote:
To give credit where credit is due, I think I learned the term from
Al Westerfield. The "Indy" end was not corrugated of course, it was a
particular design of wood and steel framing and reinforcement.<


Re: PRR Stock Cars - Final Dates in Revenue Service

Matt Herson <trains@...>
 

Ben,

Have the following information:

PRR 648314-648338, K7 (7/1950 - 15, none listed in 1/1955)
1/1953 - 1 (648326)

PRR 134079-135499, K7A (10/1963 - 3, none listed in 4/1968)
1/1966 - 3 (134647-135076)

PRR 128079-129078, K8 (10/1963 - 2, none listed in 4/1968)
1/1966 - 1 (128918)


Matt Herson


Milw. Road Rib-Side Cars

Ed Hawkins
 

STMFC,
I have been asked by Pat Wider to share with you the following
information he has compiled on Milwaukee Road rib-side cars. This and
more will be in an article in a future volume of Railway Prototype
Cyclopedia. Please advise if you have any information to the contrary.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Over the past year I have been researching the Milwaukee rib-side cars
for an upcoming article in RP CYC. With the information that I have in
hand, I have noted a number of fundamental errors and omissions in the
discourse concerning these cars. The most notable are:

* The car sides were fabricated using narrow, individual,
longitudinal side-sheet strips or panels that extended between the
doors and ends and were joined to one another using spot welding. The
"ribs" were not separate pieces attached to the car sides but were
actually corrugations pressed into the individual longitudinal
side-sheet panels. The panels overlapped one another with the only
visible seams being created at the bottom of the panels just below the
ribs, much like roof shingles. These design features are attested to
by several photos that I have as well as a detail drawing in the 1946
CBC. The integral "ribs" obviously served to stiffen the long narrow
panels.
* The narrow vertical panels (corner and door pans would be the
correct terminology) at the car ends and adjacent to the doors first
made their appearance circa June 1940 on 40' box cars rather than in
1941 on the 50' box cars and 40' auto cars. I have a builders' photo
of car 20550 that clearly has the side pans. According to an article
in Railway Mechanical Engineer (RME), the side pans were added to aid
assembly and to strengthen the cars in both high stress areas. They
were not added to provide greater clearance in the areas of the side
ladders and grabs. This is born out since car 20550 had an inside
width of 9' 2" rather than the later 9' 6". It appears that for a
period in 1940, cars with and without side pans were being built since
a builder's photo of a 40' car built several months later does not
show them. As far as I know, it is possible that 20550 was a
one-of-a-kind prototype rather than one of several similar cars wth
side pans.
* The extreme width of these cars was not over the ladders,
instead it remained over the door fixtures for both designs:

Width Over Ladders: 1939 Cars - 10' 4 15/16"
Width Over Ladders: 1944 Cars - 10' 7 3/8" D = 2
7/16"
Width Over Creco Fixtures: 1939 Cars - 10' 7 7/8"
Width Over Camel Fixtures: 1939 Cars - 10' 7 3/4"
Width Over Door Fixtures: 1944 Cars - 10' 8"
Width Over (Side) Sheets: 1939 Cars - 9' 9 1/2"
Width Over (Side) Sheets: 1944 Cars - 10' 1 1/2" D = 4"
Width Over Bumps (Ribs): 1939 Cars - 9' 10 7/8"
Width Over Bumps (Ribs): 1944 Cars - 10' 2 5/8" D = 3
3/4"
Inside Width: 1939 Cars - 9' 2"
Inside Width: 1944 Cars - 9' 6" D = 4"

* According to RME, the increase in width of 4" was secured as
follows: ".....it will be noted that the limiting width in this car,
as in practically all box cars, is the distance over door roller
housings. The increased capacity in this instance is secured primarily
by revising the side door and door fixture construction so as to
permit designing the car 4 in. wider on the inside than is the case
with the A.A.R. standard car. The rollers in this design are placed
underneath the door and the Camel door fixtures and operating
mechanism are redesigned for a minimum projection beyond the outer
door surface. The outer surfaces of the side sheets also are spaced so
as to bring the width over side ladders just within the required
limit." So the side pans helped achieve the greater capacity, but
that was not their primary purpose. At the same time, the inside
height was increased from 10' 6" to 10' 9".
* The "leak-proof" doors of these cars were not manufactured by
the railroad, instead they were manufactured by Youngstown (2 types),
Creco (later Superior), and International Steel (Nystrom) as is stated
on the railroad's car diagrams, RME and Railway Age articles, and an
ad in a CBC. At least some Youngstown doors on these cars were riveted
rather than welded construction as is made clear by detail photos in
my possession. A number of side doors had integral grain loading doors
and I have the car numbers so-equipped. The placard boards were moved
from the doors to the side-sheet panels when the cars were widened to
9" 6" IW in order to not exceed the maximum allowable width.
* There were two designs of Murphy double-panel welded roofs
applied to these cars. The changeover was made when the cars were
widened. In December 1948 and later, the cars received diagonal-panel
roofs as well as Morton running boards.
* Most cars through 1944 had 8-rung side ladders (excepting the 25
express cars). Afterwards, they had 9-rung side ladders.
* It appears that when new, virtually all of these cars (excepting
the 25 express cars and the 21188-22187 box car series) had chilled
iron wheels.
* Car numbers 20550, and 21163-21187 had provisions for
double-deck anchoring devices. These were carried externally just
below the doors. The are very visible from the side.
* Car number 19039, had CTSE reporting marks.

The so-called Nystrom doors were manufactured by the International
Steel Company of Evansville, Indiana. As far as I can tell, they were
only on select cars within the 25538-28559 series built from 12/48 to
7/49. Others in that series received Youngstown doors. Some of each
were grain doors. International Steel also supplied the side-sheet
panels for the later cars. Many of the original doors were replaced in
the 1950s(?) with Youngstown Lightweight (postwar) Doors as indicated
in several photos. End lumber doors were eliminated from new cars in
1948. Many photographs as well as additional detailed information
regarding build dates, number series, door types, Olympian slogans,
running boards, hand brakes, and grain doors will be included in my
forthcoming article.

Pat Wider


Re: Lumber trains and SP box cars from Fraley

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mike Brock wrote:
Fraley uses several terms for contents that I'm not sure of. He uses "CO"
for company [ UP ] and adds "L" or "lump" followed by "Coal" for company
lump coal, presumably for steam loco use. He uses "Co RM" or "RM company".
I'm not sure what the "RM" is.
This might be "roadway material," a term also used on SP and perhaps with origins in the Harriman era. Most "general purpose" boxes and flats in MOW service on SP were called "roadway flat" or "roadway box" for a similar reason.

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Re: not small roads, freight car models, and cool decals, too.

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Richard;
Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my message. I could
also have been more careful in my definition of a "small" road, and I
hope I did not offend anyone.

Your assessment is certainly correct. The projects I do are one thing,
but scratching those riveted URR throw-backs would be a whole different
ball game. A nice kit-bash is more within my range of talents.

I will look up your article(s) on the EJ&E gon, as that is definitely
something I should have, as is the IHB WE gon.

I did want to make everyone aware, however, that Jack Consoli made some
great decals for some Pittsburgh-area roads' freight cars, including
B&LE, P&WV, URR, and McK Con. One would hope that some of the cars
would eventually come out, somehow. And the decals are good for some
cars that already exist, or may be easily bashed. For those interested,
drop me a line and I will get you in contact.

Elden Gatwood




Elden Gatwood writes:

I know of some small roads represented in model form by Westerfield and
Sunshine, but I was wondering if you have ever seen any models of
(accurate) freight cars, or good photo/data resources for the
following:

I'm responding only on those RRs for whose cars I have photographic
evidence.

Delray
Delray Connecting RR owned about 150 hopper cars and 70 41' gondolas.
The
gons were 10 panel steel cars and could be kitbashed from an MDC or
Sunshine kit. Lettering would have to be done one character at a time.

EJ&E
Hardly a small RR, and others have pointed out that Sunshine has, in the
past, offered kits for a couple of EJ&E box cars, and also that L-L did
a
factory lettered EJ&E AAR 50 ton flat car. EJ&E also had a lot of 50'
steel mill gons with straight side sills and fishbelly center sills, and
many years ago I managed to kitbash a fairly decent replica of one of
them
by cutting up a couple of Athearn gondola bodies into many sections and
re-assembling the pieces.

IHB
Again, IHB hardly qualifies as "small." As someone else on the list has
noted, this NYC subsidiary had AAR box cars built in the Central's
Despatch
Shops, both 10' and 10'6" IH versions, and AAR 70 ton flat cars
(Sunshine).
They also had 52'6" war emergency composite gondolas as modeld by Tichy
(IHB 6000-6299) as well as 25 NYC-design 70 ton covered hoppers for
which
there is an F&C/North Shore Line resin kit.

Koppers
Almost entirely tank cars, most of them insulated. No correct models at
present, but one is said to be under development, and if it
materializes,
it will be offered with Koppers P/L. In later years, Koppers also
operated
some container gondolas which look as if they might have been ex-PRR
cars.

Lake Terminal
Owned both 40' and 50' mill gons. The 50' cars had 14 panels, straight
side sills, and fishbelly center sills. The 40' cars were very similar
to
cars owned by the Newburgh & South Shore, and in later years the Lake
Terminal absorbed the NSS fleet. I have kitbashed a model of an NSS car
from an MDC gon and the LT cars could be kitbashed in the same fashion.
The 50' cars would be more of a problem,though it might be possible to
kitbash them as well. Lettering would be a problem in either case.

Montour
Lots of USRA design 1880 cu. ft. twin hoppers (Tichy, Accurail).
Walthers
once made decals, but they would be hard to find now.

McKeesport Connecting
A hundred 50'6" mill gondolas with 13 side panels, straight side sills,
and
fishbelly center sills. Again, as with the EJ&E mill gons, a kitbash
might
be possible but not easy.

Pgh & Shawmut
The Shawmutt fleet consisted almost entirely of hopper cars, none of
which
appear to be of a standard design that has been modeled or can be easily
kitbashed.

Union RR (of Pgh; the USS subsidiary)
A sizeable fleet, mostly twin hoppers (including USRA-design cars) and
mill
gondolas. The most numerous mill gons were 50'6" with straignt side
sills,
fishbelly center sills, and an odd arrangement of side posts; they also
had
40' 13 panel gons. Either would be difficult to kitbash.

Youngstown & Northern
A ragtag collection of old twin hoppers and 40' low side mill gons, the
latter very similar to the gons owned by the Newburgh & South shore
though
lower in height. For modeling, see Lake Terminal above.

In short - Elden, you may want to contemplate some easier modeling
projects.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520






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Re: old Westefield kits

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ed Mines wrote:
If the dark gey resin was bad the original brown, aluminium filled
resin was worse. Besides being brittle it warped and was murder on
small drills.
Oh, yeah. But the "brittle" had its compensations. I once dropped a completed kit from that early material and it fractured into a whole bunch of pieces. Disaster! But no, I examined it and every break was very clean. I just patiently used CA to put it all back together, and with a little more weathering you would never know today.

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2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: PRR Stock Cars - Final Dates in Revenue Service

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Forgot one thing that would make it easier - here are the number
series:

PRR 648314-648338, K7 (7/1950 - 15, none listed in 1/1955)
PRR 134079-135499, K7A (10/1963 - 3, none listed in 4/1968)
PRR 128079-129078, K8 (10/1963 - 2, none listed in 4/1968)


Ben Hom


PRR Stock Cars - Final Dates in Revenue Service

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Looking for an assist to help fill gaps in my ORER coverage to
determine final dates in revenue service for the following PRR stock
car classes for an upcoming article in The Keystone Modeler:

K7 (7/1950 - 15, none listed in 1/1955)
K7A (10/1963 - 3, none listed in 4/1968)
K8 (10/1963 - 2, none listed in 4/1968)

Thanks in advance!


Ben Hom


Re: small roads freight car models

Richard Hendrickson
 

Elden Gatwood writes:

I know of some small roads represented in model form by Westerfield and
Sunshine, but I was wondering if you have ever seen any models of
(accurate) freight cars, or good photo/data resources for the following:
I'm responding only on those RRs for whose cars I have photographic evidence.

Delray
Delray Connecting RR owned about 150 hopper cars and 70 41' gondolas. The
gons were 10 panel steel cars and could be kitbashed from an MDC or
Sunshine kit. Lettering would have to be done one character at a time.

EJ&E
Hardly a small RR, and others have pointed out that Sunshine has, in the
past, offered kits for a couple of EJ&E box cars, and also that L-L did a
factory lettered EJ&E AAR 50 ton flat car. EJ&E also had a lot of 50'
steel mill gons with straight side sills and fishbelly center sills, and
many years ago I managed to kitbash a fairly decent replica of one of them
by cutting up a couple of Athearn gondola bodies into many sections and
re-assembling the pieces.

IHB
Again, IHB hardly qualifies as "small." As someone else on the list has
noted, this NYC subsidiary had AAR box cars built in the Central's Despatch
Shops, both 10' and 10'6" IH versions, and AAR 70 ton flat cars (Sunshine).
They also had 52'6" war emergency composite gondolas as modeld by Tichy
(IHB 6000-6299) as well as 25 NYC-design 70 ton covered hoppers for which
there is an F&C/North Shore Line resin kit.

Koppers
Almost entirely tank cars, most of them insulated. No correct models at
present, but one is said to be under development, and if it materializes,
it will be offered with Koppers P/L. In later years, Koppers also operated
some container gondolas which look as if they might have been ex-PRR cars.

Lake Terminal
Owned both 40' and 50' mill gons. The 50' cars had 14 panels, straight
side sills, and fishbelly center sills. The 40' cars were very similar to
cars owned by the Newburgh & South Shore, and in later years the Lake
Terminal absorbed the NSS fleet. I have kitbashed a model of an NSS car
from an MDC gon and the LT cars could be kitbashed in the same fashion.
The 50' cars would be more of a problem,though it might be possible to
kitbash them as well. Lettering would be a problem in either case.

Montour
Lots of USRA design 1880 cu. ft. twin hoppers (Tichy, Accurail). Walthers
once made decals, but they would be hard to find now.

McKeesport Connecting
A hundred 50'6" mill gondolas with 13 side panels, straight side sills, and
fishbelly center sills. Again, as with the EJ&E mill gons, a kitbash might
be possible but not easy.

Pgh & Shawmut
The Shawmutt fleet consisted almost entirely of hopper cars, none of which
appear to be of a standard design that has been modeled or can be easily
kitbashed.

Union RR (of Pgh; the USS subsidiary)
A sizeable fleet, mostly twin hoppers (including USRA-design cars) and mill
gondolas. The most numerous mill gons were 50'6" with straignt side sills,
fishbelly center sills, and an odd arrangement of side posts; they also had
40' 13 panel gons. Either would be difficult to kitbash.

Youngstown & Northern
A ragtag collection of old twin hoppers and 40' low side mill gons, the
latter very similar to the gons owned by the Newburgh & South shore though
lower in height. For modeling, see Lake Terminal above.

In short - Elden, you may want to contemplate some easier modeling projects.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Milw. Road Rib-Side Cars

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

Has anyone tried to figure out what percentage of the national
box car fleet was made up of Milwaukee's rib-side cars? I have
two of the Rib Side kits, and think that's probably enough of
a representation on my late Fifties-early Sixties railroad, but
that's really an uneducated guess. Any thoughts on this?

Shawn Beckert


Re: Milw. Road Rib-Side Cars

sctry <jgreedy@...>
 

Ed,

These same comments were also posted in the files section under the
folder on Milw Rib Side Cars.

John Greedy

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:
STMFC,
I have been asked by Pat Wider to share with you the following
information he has compiled on Milwaukee Road rib-side cars. This
and
more will be in an article in a future volume of Railway Prototype
Cyclopedia. Please advise if you have any information to the
contrary.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
[snip]


Re: Sunshine gons

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Feb 24, 2005, at 8:25 AM, ed_mines wrote:

I haven't seen any recent ads for these cars although I remember a
small photo of a C&O 40 ft. gon similar to the MDC car. I've heard
that Sunshine is having problems casting the one piece bodies. I
know some of you know Martin Lofton and see him at various shows.
Does anyone have the inside story?
**** I have no knowledge of any of the issues or non-issues related to casting of these cars. **** What I can offer is that he is pouring the "one-piece" bodies that are not actually bodies, but four-sided, one-piece castings of the sides and ends. Full blown one-piece casting is what Al and Steve Funaro do and involves a more complex process than what martin did for these gons.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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