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Re: War Emergency Hoppers
Ted Culotta <ted@...>
I can only comment on the Eastern cars (L&N, B&O, C&O, etc.), but, in
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general, the large bituminous coal carrying roads of the Eastern US used their cars in basically captive service. If you look at any photos of coal drags from the B&O, C&O, L&N, N&W, VGN, they are long strings of cars only from those roads with a VERY rare off-road hopper in the mix (for example an N&W hopper drag contains only N&W cars, with maybe one VGN or C&O car mixed in - modelers who put an N&W loco followed by hoppers from a number of different roads are usually modeling a fictitious scene). These cars were either to serve on line customers or to move coal to bulk shipment points (the N&W loaded coal onto ocean freighters at Norfolk, VA and points on the Great Lakes via other roads' rails - these cars would then almost always be promptly returned to the N&W to go back to the mines). Some of these cars would make it off line to other roads' rails, such as in the Northeast, but the Anthracite roads' (CNJ, RDG, Erie, D&H, LV, LNE) cars were more commonly seen offline in the Eastern US than their bituminous carrying cousins. Richard and others will have to help you with the Western cars, although comparatively, there were few hoppers west of Chicago.
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From: Beckert, Shawn [mailto:shawn.beckert@disney.com] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:39 PM To: 'STMFC@egroups.com' Subject: [STMFC] Re: War Emergency Hoppers Hello List, I spent part of the weekend poring over Ed Hawkins' article in RMJ concerning the War Emergency hoppers as modeled recently by Life-Like. To my regret, most of the photographs in the article don't give info as to where they were taken. I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they were in coal service, and therefore captive on home rails. But I don't really know for sure, therefore the question. Would these cars have traveled far from home? Shawn Beckert To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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Re: War Emergency Hoppers
Shawn Beckert
Hello List,
I spent part of the weekend poring over Ed Hawkins' article in RMJ concerning the War Emergency hoppers as modeled recently by Life-Like. To my regret, most of the photographs in the article don't give info as to where they were taken. I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they were in coal service, and therefore captive on home rails. But I don't really know for sure, therefore the question. Would these cars have traveled far from home? Shawn Beckert
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Rise and Fall of the Streamliners
ibs4421@...
Fellers,
FWIW, a heads up. My local PBS affiliate will be airing on "The American Experience" the show "Rise and Fall of the Streamliners" on Feb. 5th. I know this has nothing directly to do with freight cars, but you never know what you might see in the background of some of the film footage. Check your local TV listings, it might be worth popping a blank tape in to record. Warren
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Re: Side dump cars
thompson@...
Mike Brock writes:
I'm sure that I will forever learn to regret that fateful day back a few yrsWell, Mike, y'see, there's all kinds of payback for sins. Now take the case of Tim O'Connor... Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history
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Re: Fw: Decals
Ted Culotta <ted@...>
Warren:
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Thanks for the info!
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From: ibs4421@commandnet.net [mailto:ibs4421@commandnet.net] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:13 AM To: STMFC@egroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Fw: Decals Ted, Here is the URL for Curt's website. If he doesn't have what you want, talk to him, he might do it. I wonder, if there is a steam era freight car that most on the list would want, but no decals are available; if it would be in our interest to get some decals run. Just a thought, dangerous thing with me sometimes though. Warren Ridin' Down The Memphis Line ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Fortenberry" <arrphoto@compuserve.com> To: <ibs4421@commandnet.net> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 11:36 PM Subject: Decals Warren, My listing is at: http://www.greatdecals.com/Curt.htm Ask if you have any other questions, and thanks for the interest. Curt. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model
ibs4421@...
Yes Garth,
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Sunshine kit # SUN-29.1 Atlanta & West Point War Emergency Boxcar Warren
The panel pratt truss boxcars Warren is speaking of were AAR cars with
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Fw: Decals
ibs4421@...
Ted,
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Here is the URL for Curt's website. If he doesn't have what you want, talk to him, he might do it. I wonder, if there is a steam era freight car that most on the list would want, but no decals are available; if it would be in our interest to get some decals run. Just a thought, dangerous thing with me sometimes though. Warren Ridin' Down The Memphis Line
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From: "Curt Fortenberry" <arrphoto@compuserve.com> To: <ibs4421@commandnet.net> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 11:36 PM Subject: Decals Warren, My listing is at: http://www.greatdecals.com/Curt.htm Ask if you have any other questions, and thanks for the interest. Curt.
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Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model
Ted Culotta <ted@...>
Can anyone inform me as to how I might obtain a listing of Curt's decals
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along with ordering information? Thanks.
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From: ibs4421@commandnet.net [mailto:ibs4421@commandnet.net] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:30 AM To: STMFC@egroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model Bruce, According to my NEB&W Guide to Steam-Era Freight Car Modeling A&WP had the following: 11 Panel Pratt Truss Boxcars, 60 blt. in 1944, w/ Youngtown doors 16 boxcars X29 type? Wof A had: 11Panel Pratt Truss Boxcars, 65 blt. 1944 w/ Youngstown doors Both roads had PS-1's, but as you said, too lat efor your era. If either of these roads had the 1937 type boxcar, John N. didn't list them. I would check the RPI site for more up to date info though. George Campbell is one of the nicest fellers you'd want to do business with, but you've gotta watch him on what schemes he assigns to which cars. His L&N sheet is great except that all of the dimensional data is done in gothic, and it should be in Roman. I know some of the more experienced L&Ners informed me of some of the other faults with his sheets, but I have forgotten most all of them. Caveat Emptor in other words. I am getting all of my L&N and NC&StL coal hopper decals from Curt Fortenberry for now on. Warren Roll Tide!!! <VBG> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." <smithbf@mail.auburn.edu> To: <STMFC@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model I'm cross posting this in hopes of getting some insight from y'all sorryWestern setRailway of Alabama 40' PS-1. I started with an IM kit, and used a custom againof decals done by Curt Fortenberry. I really like this car. But then GroupI like all of the cars belonging to the roads that made up the Georgia (Iof railroads.Stu, and anyone else who cares to comment... think) of S&A and A&WP (I believe) boxcars. The data sets led me toFranklin __ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model
Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Bruce:
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The panel pratt truss boxcars Warren is speaking of were AAR cars with wooden sides. These were so-called "war emergency" cars. I think Sunshine Models offered resin kits for them. They are unlike anything else that has ever been modeled (except a similar NKP car was once offered in brass). Kind regards, Garth G. Groff ibs4421@commandnet.net wrote:
According to my NEB&W Guide to Steam-Era Freight Car Modeling A&WP
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Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model
ibs4421@...
Bruce,
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According to my NEB&W Guide to Steam-Era Freight Car Modeling A&WP had the following: 11 Panel Pratt Truss Boxcars, 60 blt. in 1944, w/ Youngtown doors 16 boxcars X29 type? Wof A had: 11Panel Pratt Truss Boxcars, 65 blt. 1944 w/ Youngstown doors Both roads had PS-1's, but as you said, too lat efor your era. If either of these roads had the 1937 type boxcar, John N. didn't list them. I would check the RPI site for more up to date info though. George Campbell is one of the nicest fellers you'd want to do business with, but you've gotta watch him on what schemes he assigns to which cars. His L&N sheet is great except that all of the dimensional data is done in gothic, and it should be in Roman. I know some of the more experienced L&Ners informed me of some of the other faults with his sheets, but I have forgotten most all of them. Caveat Emptor in other words. I am getting all of my L&N and NC&StL coal hopper decals from Curt Fortenberry for now on. Warren Roll Tide!!! <VBG>
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From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." <smithbf@mail.auburn.edu> To: <STMFC@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model I'm cross posting this in hopes of getting some insight from y'all sorryWestern setRailway of Alabama 40' PS-1. I started with an IM kit, and used a custom againof decals done by Curt Fortenberry. I really like this car. But then GroupI like all of the cars belonging to the roads that made up the Georgia (Iof railroads.Stu, and anyone else who cares to comment... think) of S&A and A&WP (I believe) boxcars. The data sets led me toFranklin __
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Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model
Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
I'm cross posting this in hopes of getting some insight from y'all sorry
for any dupes! Last week Stu Thayer posted to the PM-list: Today I finished a model that I started quite a while ago. It is a WesternStu, and anyone else who cares to comment... A couple of years ago, I picked up a dry transfer set from Campbell Road (I think) of S&A and A&WP (I believe) boxcars. The data sets led me to believe that they were appropriate for 1937 40' AAR, 10'6" interior height cars. Is this true? What did these roads have in this style? Any additional guides/comments on color etc. I can't do the PS-1 thing as it too modern for me (yeah, I pass on all those Kadee boxcars Jim) Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: Troop Sleepers
Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Dick and friends,
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While it might well be worth the trip to Alaska, and for more than just troop sleepers, let me add that two of them from Alaska are in California. They are in the collection of the Feather River Railroad Society at Portola. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Dick Harley wrote:
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Re: Side dump cars
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
A noted N&W hopper historian asks:
The question is, did they load cattle in *N&W* hopper cars?I'm sure that I will forever learn to regret that fateful day back a few yrs ago when I speculated that perhaps we should have a plastic N&W hopper. Many visitors, looking at the layout for the first time...my carefully arranged Big Boys and Challengers panting from concealed speakers, gleaming frshly painted veranda turbine sitting on the departure track awaiting the arriving 4-12-2 chuffing its well known off beat exhaust, etc...turn to me and remark, "Where's the N&W hopper"? Mike Brock
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Re: Side dump cars
Jon Miller <atsf@...>
The question is, did they load cattle in *N&W* hopper cars?<I believe after processing they did, i.e., bones <VBG>! I'm sure I saw a load of those going over Sherman, and at night too! Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Tichy Truck
Jon Miller <atsf@...>
I asked about the Tichy Commonwealth Express Truck and received no
response. The truck has the bearing inserts and with IM (or Reboxx) .088 wheelsets should roll (off into the sunset)! Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: War Emergency Hopper
Richard Hendrickson
Mike Brock wrote:
I have managed to acquire a couple of P2K War Emergency hoppers.... IYes. Some other RRs began the replacement of wood side sheathing somewhat earlier (the C&O as early as 1948, as I recall) but most other owners did it in the late 1950s. Some B&O cars were never re-sheathed, and the Q cars were given general repairs ca. 1958, including new wood sheathing, and returned to service in their original form, after which they lasted well into the 1960s. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Re: Side dump cars
Richard Hendrickson
Mike Brock wrote (about Hart Selective ballast hoppers):
....itThe question is, did they load cattle in *N&W* hopper cars? Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Tichy Truck
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
I seem to recall that we decided early on to include express reefers as part
of the STMFC's acceptable subjects. Therefore, has anyone examined the new Tichy Commonwealth Express Truck? While it seems to match that used on PFE express cars, it looks a bit short in the photo. Of course, this could be the photo. Anyhow, I'm currently using the Easter Car Works truck and, while dimensionally correct, it is lacking a few things...which the Tichy truck appears to have. Mike Brock
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War Emergency Hopper
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
I have managed to acquire a couple of P2K War Emergency hoppers. Sorry if I
missed out on some info...working Prototype Rails dimenished both my limited brain power and my computer time. Has anyone taken the time to evaluate these things? I notice that the real CB&Q version lasted for some time...at least one still with wood sides as late as '71. I also notice that 398 of the ATSF cars were still in service in '53. Richard, I believe you noted that these cars received steel replacement sides in '58. Were the cars in original condition until then? Mike Brock
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Re: Side dump cars
Al & Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
We will be at Timonium next week. Anyone wanting us to bring specific kits,
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let us know. - Al Westerfield Westerfield
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From: Mike Brock <brockm@brevard.net> To: <STMFC@egroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Side dump cars Richard Hendrickson wrote...it seems about a year ago:UPI've never seen any photographic evidence that Hart Selective ballastActually, from the photographic evidence that's available...and there's a hoppers carrying coal to a coaling tower without side dumping cars in theit would not surprise me at anything they put in one of thesecars...including cattle. No, no...I have no proof.
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