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Re: War Emergency Hoppers

Ted Culotta <ted@...>
 

I can only comment on the Eastern cars (L&N, B&O, C&O, etc.), but, in
general, the large bituminous coal carrying roads of the Eastern US used
their cars in basically captive service. If you look at any photos of coal
drags from the B&O, C&O, L&N, N&W, VGN, they are long strings of cars only
from those roads with a VERY rare off-road hopper in the mix (for example an
N&W hopper drag contains only N&W cars, with maybe one VGN or C&O car mixed
in - modelers who put an N&W loco followed by hoppers from a number of
different roads are usually modeling a fictitious scene). These cars were
either to serve on line customers or to move coal to bulk shipment points
(the N&W loaded coal onto ocean freighters at Norfolk, VA and points on the
Great Lakes via other roads' rails - these cars would then almost always be
promptly returned to the N&W to go back to the mines). Some of these cars
would make it off line to other roads' rails, such as in the Northeast, but
the Anthracite roads' (CNJ, RDG, Erie, D&H, LV, LNE) cars were more commonly
seen offline in the Eastern US than their bituminous carrying cousins.

Richard and others will have to help you with the Western cars, although
comparatively, there were few hoppers west of Chicago.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beckert, Shawn [mailto:shawn.beckert@disney.com]
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:39 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: War Emergency Hoppers


Hello List,

I spent part of the weekend poring over Ed Hawkins'
article in RMJ concerning the War Emergency hoppers
as modeled recently by Life-Like. To my regret, most
of the photographs in the article don't give info as
to where they were taken.

I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would
these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just
assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they
were in coal service, and therefore captive on home
rails. But I don't really know for sure, therefore the
question. Would these cars have traveled far from home?

Shawn Beckert

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Re: War Emergency Hoppers

Shawn Beckert
 

Hello List,

I spent part of the weekend poring over Ed Hawkins'
article in RMJ concerning the War Emergency hoppers
as modeled recently by Life-Like. To my regret, most
of the photographs in the article don't give info as
to where they were taken.

I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would
these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just
assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they
were in coal service, and therefore captive on home
rails. But I don't really know for sure, therefore the
question. Would these cars have traveled far from home?

Shawn Beckert


Rise and Fall of the Streamliners

ibs4421@...
 

Fellers,
FWIW, a heads up. My local PBS affiliate will be airing on "The American Experience" the show "Rise and Fall of the Streamliners" on Feb. 5th. I know this has nothing directly to do with freight cars, but you never know what you might see in the background of some of the film footage. Check your local TV listings, it might be worth popping a blank tape in to record.

Warren


Re: Side dump cars

thompson@...
 

Mike Brock writes:
I'm sure that I will forever learn to regret that fateful day back a few yrs
ago when I speculated that perhaps we should have a plastic N&W hopper. Many
visitors, looking at the layout for the first time...my carefully arranged
Big Boys and Challengers panting from concealed speakers, gleaming frshly
painted veranda turbine sitting on the departure track awaiting the arriving
4-12-2 chuffing its well known off beat exhaust, etc...turn to me and
remark, "Where's the N&W hopper"?
Well, Mike, y'see, there's all kinds of payback for sins. Now take the
case of Tim O'Connor...

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Fw: Decals

Ted Culotta <ted@...>
 

Warren:

Thanks for the info!

-----Original Message-----
From: ibs4421@commandnet.net [mailto:ibs4421@commandnet.net]
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:13 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Fw: Decals


Ted,
Here is the URL for Curt's website. If he doesn't have what you
want, talk to him, he might do it. I wonder, if there is a steam era
freight car that most on the list would want, but no decals are available;
if it would be in our interest to get some decals run. Just a thought,
dangerous thing with me sometimes though.

Warren
Ridin' Down The Memphis Line

----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Fortenberry" <arrphoto@compuserve.com>
To: <ibs4421@commandnet.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 11:36 PM
Subject: Decals


Warren,

My listing is at: http://www.greatdecals.com/Curt.htm

Ask if you have any other questions, and thanks for the interest.

Curt.



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Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model

ibs4421@...
 

Yes Garth,

Sunshine kit # SUN-29.1 Atlanta & West Point War Emergency Boxcar

Warren

The panel pratt truss boxcars Warren is speaking of were AAR cars with
wooden sides. These were so-called "war emergency" cars. I think
Sunshine Models offered resin kits for them. They are unlike anything
else that has ever been modeled (except a similar NKP car was once
offered in brass).


Fw: Decals

ibs4421@...
 

Ted,
Here is the URL for Curt's website. If he doesn't have what you
want, talk to him, he might do it. I wonder, if there is a steam era
freight car that most on the list would want, but no decals are available;
if it would be in our interest to get some decals run. Just a thought,
dangerous thing with me sometimes though.

Warren
Ridin' Down The Memphis Line

----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Fortenberry" <arrphoto@compuserve.com>
To: <ibs4421@commandnet.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 11:36 PM
Subject: Decals


Warren,

My listing is at: http://www.greatdecals.com/Curt.htm

Ask if you have any other questions, and thanks for the interest.

Curt.


Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model

Ted Culotta <ted@...>
 

Can anyone inform me as to how I might obtain a listing of Curt's decals
along with ordering information?

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: ibs4421@commandnet.net [mailto:ibs4421@commandnet.net]
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:30 AM
To: STMFC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model


Bruce,
According to my NEB&W Guide to Steam-Era Freight Car Modeling A&WP
had the following:
11 Panel Pratt Truss Boxcars, 60 blt. in 1944, w/ Youngtown doors
16 boxcars X29 type?

Wof A had:
11Panel Pratt Truss Boxcars, 65 blt. 1944 w/ Youngstown doors

Both roads had PS-1's, but as you said, too lat efor your era. If either of
these roads had the 1937 type boxcar, John N. didn't list them. I would
check the RPI site for more up to date info though.
George Campbell is one of the nicest fellers you'd want to do business
with, but you've gotta watch him on what schemes he assigns to which cars.
His L&N sheet is great except that all of the dimensional data is done in
gothic, and it should be in Roman. I know some of the more experienced
L&Ners informed me of some of the other faults with his sheets, but I have
forgotten most all of them. Caveat Emptor in other words. I am getting all
of my L&N and NC&StL coal hopper decals from Curt Fortenberry for now on.

Warren
Roll Tide!!! <VBG>




----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." <smithbf@mail.auburn.edu>
To: <STMFC@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:45 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model


I'm cross posting this in hopes of getting some insight from y'all sorry
for any dupes!

Last week Stu Thayer posted to the PM-list:
Today I finished a model that I started quite a while ago. It is a
Western
Railway of Alabama 40' PS-1. I started with an IM kit, and used a custom
set
of decals done by Curt Fortenberry. I really like this car. But then
again
I like all of the cars belonging to the roads that made up the Georgia
Group
of railroads.
Stu, and anyone else who cares to comment...

A couple of years ago, I picked up a dry transfer set from Campbell Road
(I
think) of S&A and A&WP (I believe) boxcars. The data sets led me to
believe that they were appropriate for 1937 40' AAR, 10'6" interior height
cars. Is this true? What did these roads have in this style? Any
additional guides/comments on color etc.

I can't do the PS-1 thing as it too modern for me (yeah, I pass on all
those Kadee boxcars Jim)

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Bruce:

The panel pratt truss boxcars Warren is speaking of were AAR cars with
wooden sides. These were so-called "war emergency" cars. I think
Sunshine Models offered resin kits for them. They are unlike anything
else that has ever been modeled (except a similar NKP car was once
offered in brass).

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

ibs4421@commandnet.net wrote:

According to my NEB&W Guide to Steam-Era Freight Car Modeling A&WP
had the following:
11 Panel Pratt Truss Boxcars, 60 blt. in 1944, w/ Youngtown doors
16 boxcars X29 type?

Wof A had:
11Panel Pratt Truss Boxcars, 65 blt. 1944 w/ Youngstown doors


Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model

ibs4421@...
 

Bruce,
According to my NEB&W Guide to Steam-Era Freight Car Modeling A&WP
had the following:
11 Panel Pratt Truss Boxcars, 60 blt. in 1944, w/ Youngtown doors
16 boxcars X29 type?

Wof A had:
11Panel Pratt Truss Boxcars, 65 blt. 1944 w/ Youngstown doors

Both roads had PS-1's, but as you said, too lat efor your era. If either of
these roads had the 1937 type boxcar, John N. didn't list them. I would
check the RPI site for more up to date info though.
George Campbell is one of the nicest fellers you'd want to do business
with, but you've gotta watch him on what schemes he assigns to which cars.
His L&N sheet is great except that all of the dimensional data is done in
gothic, and it should be in Roman. I know some of the more experienced
L&Ners informed me of some of the other faults with his sheets, but I have
forgotten most all of them. Caveat Emptor in other words. I am getting all
of my L&N and NC&StL coal hopper decals from Curt Fortenberry for now on.

Warren
Roll Tide!!! <VBG>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." <smithbf@mail.auburn.edu>
To: <STMFC@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:45 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model


I'm cross posting this in hopes of getting some insight from y'all sorry
for any dupes!

Last week Stu Thayer posted to the PM-list:
Today I finished a model that I started quite a while ago. It is a
Western
Railway of Alabama 40' PS-1. I started with an IM kit, and used a custom
set
of decals done by Curt Fortenberry. I really like this car. But then
again
I like all of the cars belonging to the roads that made up the Georgia
Group
of railroads.
Stu, and anyone else who cares to comment...

A couple of years ago, I picked up a dry transfer set from Campbell Road
(I
think) of S&A and A&WP (I believe) boxcars. The data sets led me to
believe that they were appropriate for 1937 40' AAR, 10'6" interior height
cars. Is this true? What did these roads have in this style? Any
additional guides/comments on color etc.

I can't do the PS-1 thing as it too modern for me (yeah, I pass on all
those Kadee boxcars Jim)

Happy Rails
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.
Scott-Ritchey Research Center
334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin
Franklin
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Re: [PM-list] WofA PS-1 Model

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

I'm cross posting this in hopes of getting some insight from y'all sorry
for any dupes!

Last week Stu Thayer posted to the PM-list:
Today I finished a model that I started quite a while ago. It is a Western
Railway of Alabama 40' PS-1. I started with an IM kit, and used a custom set
of decals done by Curt Fortenberry. I really like this car. But then again
I like all of the cars belonging to the roads that made up the Georgia Group
of railroads.
Stu, and anyone else who cares to comment...

A couple of years ago, I picked up a dry transfer set from Campbell Road (I
think) of S&A and A&WP (I believe) boxcars. The data sets led me to
believe that they were appropriate for 1937 40' AAR, 10'6" interior height
cars. Is this true? What did these roads have in this style? Any
additional guides/comments on color etc.

I can't do the PS-1 thing as it too modern for me (yeah, I pass on all
those Kadee boxcars Jim)

Happy Rails
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.
Scott-Ritchey Research Center
334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin
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Re: Troop Sleepers

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dick and friends,

While it might well be worth the trip to Alaska, and for more than just
troop sleepers, let me add that two of them from Alaska are in
California. They are in the collection of the Feather River Railroad
Society at Portola.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Dick Harley wrote:


For all of you looking for more Troop Sleepers to measure and photograph,
you should take a trip to Alaska. Besides having some of the most
awe-inspiring scenery I know, there must have been at least 50 troop
sleeper cars to be seen between Fairbanks and Anchorage on the Alaska RR
this past summer. There are many varieties, and they are used for all
kinds of things. If you want to see troop sleepers, go there. And the
ARR folks are very friendly too.

Regards,
Dick Harley

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Re: Side dump cars

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

A noted N&W hopper historian asks:

The question is, did they load cattle in *N&W* hopper cars?
I'm sure that I will forever learn to regret that fateful day back a few yrs
ago when I speculated that perhaps we should have a plastic N&W hopper. Many
visitors, looking at the layout for the first time...my carefully arranged
Big Boys and Challengers panting from concealed speakers, gleaming frshly
painted veranda turbine sitting on the departure track awaiting the arriving
4-12-2 chuffing its well known off beat exhaust, etc...turn to me and
remark, "Where's the N&W hopper"?

Mike Brock


Re: Side dump cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

The question is, did they load cattle in *N&W* hopper cars?<
I believe after processing they did, i.e., bones <VBG>! I'm sure I saw
a load of those going over Sherman, and at night too!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Tichy Truck

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I asked about the Tichy Commonwealth Express Truck and received no
response. The truck has the bearing inserts and with IM (or Reboxx) .088
wheelsets should roll (off into the sunset)!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: War Emergency Hopper

Richard Hendrickson
 

Mike Brock wrote:

I have managed to acquire a couple of P2K War Emergency hoppers.... I
notice >that the real CB&Q version lasted for some time...at least one
still with wood >sides as late as '71. I also notice that 398 of the ATSF
cars were still in >service in '53. Richard, I believe you noted that
these cars received steel >replacement sides in '58. Were the cars in
original condition until then?
Yes. Some other RRs began the replacement of wood side sheathing somewhat
earlier (the C&O as early as 1948, as I recall) but most other owners did
it in the late 1950s. Some B&O cars were never re-sheathed, and the Q cars
were given general repairs ca. 1958, including new wood sheathing, and
returned to service in their original form, after which they lasted well
into the 1960s.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Side dump cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Mike Brock wrote (about Hart Selective ballast hoppers):

....it
would not surprise me at anything they put in one of these cars...including
cattle.
The question is, did they load cattle in *N&W* hopper cars?

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Tichy Truck

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

I seem to recall that we decided early on to include express reefers as part
of the STMFC's acceptable subjects. Therefore, has anyone examined the new
Tichy Commonwealth Express Truck? While it seems to match that used on PFE
express cars, it looks a bit short in the photo. Of course, this could be
the photo. Anyhow, I'm currently using the Easter Car Works truck and, while
dimensionally correct, it is lacking a few things...which the Tichy truck
appears to have.

Mike Brock


War Emergency Hopper

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

I have managed to acquire a couple of P2K War Emergency hoppers. Sorry if I
missed out on some info...working Prototype Rails dimenished both my limited
brain power and my computer time. Has anyone taken the time to evaluate
these things? I notice that the real CB&Q version lasted for some time...at
least one still with wood sides as late as '71. I also notice that 398 of
the ATSF cars were still in service in '53. Richard, I believe you noted
that these cars received steel replacement sides in '58. Were the cars in
original condition until then?

Mike Brock


Re: Side dump cars

Al & Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

We will be at Timonium next week. Anyone wanting us to bring specific kits,
let us know. - Al Westerfield
Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Brock <brockm@brevard.net>
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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Side dump cars


Richard Hendrickson wrote...it seems about a year ago:

I've never seen any photographic evidence that Hart Selective ballast
hoppers or the similar cars with dump mechanisms by Enterprise and other
mfrs. (which I assume are the cars you're talking about) ever went off
line, regardless of who owned them. So I'm as skeptical as you are.
There's evidence that some RRs (e.g., the UP) sometimes hauled coal in
them,
Actually, from the photographic evidence that's available...and there's a
bunch...UP used these cars quite often to haul coal. Seldom will you see
UP
hoppers carrying coal to a coaling tower without side dumping cars in the
group. In fact, in one of Terry Metcalfe's UP Modelers...I think...he
mentioned that, of the 5 or so hoppers present in a photograph, there were
five different variations of hoppers...several being side dumping. In
addition, UP used them to haul sugar beets. This occurred along the Front
Range north of Denver. I'm not really certain about where the beets were
processed...I know damned well it was not on Sherman Hill...so I can't say
for sure where they traveled. Knowing UP during the '40/'50 time period,
it
would not surprise me at anything they put in one of these
cars...including
cattle. No, no...I have no proof.

Mike Brock


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