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Re: Re. Andrew Trucks

joe binish <joebinish@...>
 

Edwin,
I used a pair of them on an Accurail reefer to model a C&S car. The first
thing I did was to get a set of the Reboxx/IM .088 tread wheelstes, then
shorten the RC bolsters, then epoxy the sideframes to the bolsters. Now
they run ok, and don't look much too wide.
Joe Binish


Re: nice pics

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

Thanks, Tim - though you missed this one that has nice roof detail:
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P15726.jpg


B&M XMs Test

armprem
 

What are the number series for B&M single sheath box cars,with different
doors and roofs?


Re: Paint Matches

Jerry Dziedzic
 

Guess I'm the one that started this thread. Let's start a poll.
How many modelers would purchase colors matched to original chips,
as Ed describes?

One object of this list is exchanging prototype information for the
sake of accurate modeling. Sunshine, Westerfield and others have
made tremendous contributions to the hobby with their research and
development of prototype kits. Manufacturers such as these deserve
high compliments on fidelity to prototype. However, when it's time
to paint and letter the finished model, some kits come up short.

My vote's in favor of Modelflex colors based on "Hawkins"
research. I'll also vote in favor of more accurate decals. I'm
willing to reward the manufacturers with the purchase of a resin
kit. However, it's a disappointment when the decals provided
require extensive cutting and trimming to fit the space intended (if
at all), or when the basic arrangement doesn't represent the font or
other graphics shown on prototype photos accompanying the kit.

Modelflex has a lot of paint colors, but only three (to my
knowledge) of freight car red paints (#16-13 Dark Tuscan Oxide
Red,
#16-14 Light Tuscan Oxide, and #16-163 CN Red #11). The also make
several gray shades, but these are typically colors used on Diesel
locomotives and not covered hoppers or tank cars. It's going to
require
more than "a bit of mixing" to match these colors. I wouldn't know
were
to start if I wanted to paint a B&O or WM box car (late 1940s
through
the 1950s) using Modelflex.

What I proposed to submit to them were five or six different basic
shades of freight car red that happen to match the colors used by
Branchline Trains, plus a number of covered hopper gray colors. BT
matched their paints to a set of actual 1940s to early 1950s paint
samples ranging from the light oxide red used by B&O/WM to box car
red
and mineral brown shades.

I spoke with Bill Schneider at BT about the possibility of
marketing
their paints. However, the acrylic paints they use are extremely
thick
and can be applied only with industrial airbrush equipment.
Thinning
their paint for model airbrush applications won't work.

When Modelflex (or equivalent) is ready to expand their line of
freight
car colors, I'l be most happy to help them.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Paint Matches

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sunday, March 6, 2005, at 08:53 AM, Rich Ramik wrote:

My question is did you ever tell them that you had chips/samples
available
for matching purposes?  Not knowing specifically what you are aiming
for, I
would think that with all of the reds, browns and grays in the
MODELflex
line that the colors you are after should be covered or would be
covered
with just a bit of mixing.  I did some checking and I believe that the
MODELflex line has more paints available than anyone else.
Rich,
The answer is to your question is yes and I have talked with John Lee
about this idea.

Anything can be matched by mixing various existing colors in various
amounts. Modelflex has a lot of paint colors, but only three (to my
knowledge) of freight car red paints (#16-13 Dark Tuscan Oxide Red,
#16-14 Light Tuscan Oxide, and #16-163 CN Red #11). The also make
several gray shades, but these are typically colors used on Diesel
locomotives and not covered hoppers or tank cars. It's going to require
more than "a bit of mixing" to match these colors. I wouldn't know were
to start if I wanted to paint a B&O or WM box car (late 1940s through
the 1950s) using Modelflex.

What I proposed to submit to them were five or six different basic
shades of freight car red that happen to match the colors used by
Branchline Trains, plus a number of covered hopper gray colors. BT
matched their paints to a set of actual 1940s to early 1950s paint
samples ranging from the light oxide red used by B&O/WM to box car red
and mineral brown shades.

I spoke with Bill Schneider at BT about the possibility of marketing
their paints. However, the acrylic paints they use are extremely thick
and can be applied only with industrial airbrush equipment. Thinning
their paint for model airbrush applications won't work.

When Modelflex (or equivalent) is ready to expand their line of freight
car colors, I'l be most happy to help them.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


nice pics

Tim O'Connor
 


Re. Andrew Trucks

Edwin C. Kirstatter <Q1xaMacArthur1@...>
 

All,

Has anybody had good luck using those Red Caboose Andrews trucks that
came with the Mather Reefers?

I did not! They kept derailing! I even tried to Super glue them to make
them rigid. That did not help!

I junked them and replaced them with Accurail Andrews type now they will
stay on the track.

Any comments from you operators out there? They look nice but mine will
not work!

Edwin C. Kirstatter.


Re: Paint Matches

Rich Ramik <rjramik@...>
 

Ed Hawkins wrote in part - - - - - - -



To date my

offers to help Badger Modelflex develop a line of five or six ready-mix

accurate freight car red shades (plus some gray paints for covered
hoppers) based on actual paint samples from the primary STMFC period
have fallen on deaf ears. Maybe some day.......
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
- - - - - - - - -



Ed:



My question is did you ever tell them that you had chips/samples available
for matching purposes? Not knowing specifically what you are aiming for, I
would think that with all of the reds, browns and grays in the MODELflex
line that the colors you are after should be covered or would be covered
with just a bit of mixing. I did some checking and I believe that the
MODELflex line has more paints available than anyone else.



Thanks,

Rich Ramik


Re: Andrews trucks

Blake Tatar <BDTatar@...>
 

Thanks guys, I never thought to look at Red Caboose.

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Re: (DRGW) Freight car Type designations

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

Steve, that is a very large and open ended question. You can look at www.drgw.org for starters.

It depends on time frame more than anything else. The Grande put out an equipment list every year from 1939 through 1972 with some earlier than that (and then there were the rosters that predate those). Then there are the OER's. Look at what Jim Eager put together on the web page at the listed web site for starters. If you want to provide a date and locale I can provide a better idea. Be prepared for one major disappointment if modeling pre 1960 - and that is that a large part of the fleet and the percentage in the trains (and that goes for the ATSF trains going to Fortuna) were cars that have not been massed produced (for the Rio Grande) yet - GS Gons.

At 10:19 PM 3/5/2005, you wrote:

Does any one have a list of the types of cars purchased by the DRGW? Steve Fuchs

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...> wrote:At 03:51 AM 3/5/2005, you wrote:
Todays discussion on the PRR downturn and 'archiving' of rolling stock
also reinforces why a small nugget like the D&RGW bought second hand
from Eastern roads post war and 50's. It wasnt just parsimony but also
simply cost-efficient with the wealth of resource available- and the
glut cant have made sell-off prices all that attractive.
Dave
You also have to remember where the D&RGW was financially at that
point. They were in or just getting out of receivership after a long spell
of having been owned by the WP & MP. They were about to be on their own,
had merged the D&SL in and they had to convince the courts and the
receivers of what was worth buying. That also meant that some protected
rates and shipments weren't protected any more.

Remember too that the gons that were part of the lease for he war board
Challengers were being kicked off property, making for some
difficulty. This era was also a very difficult time for the railroads in
the West to put a finger on. First the war traffic, then a drop and a
recession, then a war on, then a drop then a boom then another drop then a
boom. In some ways the West was more insulated, but until the clean coal
acts came about, and the coal was being exported far beyond the usual
characters, the Grande had to make do with the bridge traffic from the
WP/MP/CB&Q - if it was lucky. At the same time it had to completely
rebuild parts of the system, buy new diesels, new passenger equipment
(which it did rather cheaply and effectively) and attempt to figure out how
the freight market was going to shake out.


Re: Freight car Type designations

fuchst900
 

Does any one have a list of the types of cars purchased by the DRGW? Steve Fuchs

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...> wrote:At 03:51 AM 3/5/2005, you wrote:
Todays discussion on the PRR downturn and 'archiving' of rolling stock
also reinforces why a small nugget like the D&RGW bought second hand
from Eastern roads post war and 50's. It wasnt just parsimony but also
simply cost-efficient with the wealth of resource available- and the
glut cant have made sell-off prices all that attractive.
Dave
You also have to remember where the D&RGW was financially at that
point. They were in or just getting out of receivership after a long spell
of having been owned by the WP & MP. They were about to be on their own,
had merged the D&SL in and they had to convince the courts and the
receivers of what was worth buying. That also meant that some protected
rates and shipments weren't protected any more.

Remember too that the gons that were part of the lease for he war board
Challengers were being kicked off property, making for some
difficulty. This era was also a very difficult time for the railroads in
the West to put a finger on. First the war traffic, then a drop and a
recession, then a war on, then a drop then a boom then another drop then a
boom. In some ways the West was more insulated, but until the clean coal
acts came about, and the coal was being exported far beyond the usual
characters, the Grande had to make do with the bridge traffic from the
WP/MP/CB&Q - if it was lucky. At the same time it had to completely
rebuild parts of the system, buy new diesels, new passenger equipment
(which it did rather cheaply and effectively) and attempt to figure out how
the freight market was going to shake out.


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Re: Rail Data Services - Thanks

Allen Rueter <allen@...>
 

Chuck,
Thanks for you help in the past.

Computers are good and bad, on the one side what rail web site is endowed! such that it
will survive when the owner steps down. But those annoying copies give them a chance at
long term persistance.

Sorry about the lack of freight car content.

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Re: Andrews trucks

fuchst900
 

Possible "Red Caboose" at least the ones on a Gondola I have fit together this way. Steve

Blake Tatar <BDTatar@...> wrote:I found these trucks on a model I had gotten a while ago and cannot identify the model manufacturer that made them. Can someone ID them for me (see photo)?

http://home.att.net/~BDTatar3/truck.jpg

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Re: Andrews trucks

Blake Tatar <BDTatar@...>
 

I found these trucks on a model I had gotten a while ago and cannot identify the model manufacturer that made them. Can someone ID them for me (see photo)?

http://home.att.net/~BDTatar3/truck.jpg

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Re: PRR R50a's and b's

smithbf@...
 


Group,

There's a discussion of PRR R50a and R50b reefers going on at the
milktrains Yahoo
group. If anyone has suggestions on building an R50a, you might want to
join the fray.

Walt Lankenau
Any particular reason there is a "fray" about building a singleton car?
AFAIK, #2550 was the only R50A built.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


Re: Andrews trucks

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Rob Adams wrote:
"Those appear to be Red Caboose Andrews trucks, which come with their Mather
reefer kits."

They sure are - I just pulled a pair that I have on hand to verify them.
http://www.red-caboose.com/cgi-bin/e_catalog/catalog.cgi?&shop=redcaboose&la
nguage=eng&curr=0&session=422a4d7627b88b8b&cart_id=97880971x10168&scale=%27H
O%27&product=Parts&product_display=RP-5007


Ben Hom


Re: Andrews trucks

Rob Adams
 

Blake;

Those appear to be Red Caboose Andrews trucks, which come with their Mather reefer kits.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

Blake Tatar wrote:

I found these trucks on a model I had gotten a while ago and cannot identify the model manufacturer that made them. Can someone ID them for me (see photo)?

http://home.att.net/~BDTatar3/truck.jpg <http://home.att.net/%7EBDTatar3/truck.jpg>

Thanks,
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PRR R50a's and b's

mcindoefalls
 

Group,

There's a discussion of PRR R50a and R50b reefers going on at the milktrains Yahoo
group. If anyone has suggestions on building an R50a, you might want to join the fray.

Walt Lankenau


Paging Richard Wilkens

bnpmodeler <bnchmark@...>
 

Fellow listmembers, I apologize for the bandwidth usage;

Would Richard Wilkens (railsnw@...) please contact me off-list?

Thank you very much;

Jim Harr
bnchmark @ earthlink . net

(remove the spaces to reply)


Re: new book

Ed Ursem <nprybiged@...>
 

Eric,

Who published this book, where did you see it, how much was it?

Ed Ursem

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Subject: [STMFC] new book


Just saw a copy of a new book "125 years of black Hills Railroads" which has
a great many freight cars of the 20's, 30's and 40's shown.

eric





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