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Re: Rock Island car from Branchline 40' undec boxcar kit (6' door)?

Ed Hawkins
 

On Tuesday, March 8, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Paul Gehrett wrote:

I've come into the possession of a 3 pack of the
Undecorated Branchline 40' boxcar kits (with 6' door).
Did the Rock Island have any cars that could be made
from the roof/end combinations that come with the
undec kit?  If so, does anyone know where I could find
some photos of the prototype cars?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Paul,
With all the possible mix and match combinations possible with these BT
kits, I don't believe they will work for RI box cars. RI's 40' box cars
built by P-S with 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends had 12-panel riveted sides,
2,000 cars built by AC&F with R+3/4 "Dartnot" ends had 12-panel welded
sides, RI didn't have any 40' box cars with the early R+3/4 Improved
Dreadnaught Ends, and RI's AC&F-built cars in 1959 with late R+3/4
Improved Dreadnaught Ends had 10-panel welded sides. The latter can be
made from the BT car by removing all the rivets. The rest were PS-1s
during the postwar period. RI had a stash of 40' box cars with 10-panel
riveted sides, Murphy panel roofs, and 5/5 Dreadnaught Ends built
during the early to mid-1940s.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Reading 40' postwar post cars with 8' doors.

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I picked up a BLT Reading RR 40' postwar boxcar with 8' door for free.
According to the box label these cars were built in 1948. This is
relatively early for 8' doors so I was wondering if these cars were assigned
to a specific service. The car number I have is 107449. Any idea to what
service these cars may have been used for in 1957.

Thanks.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: RI 50' Boxcar

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

*GAEX series 1950- 1999 blt 1955 GACC/EVANS ( 19 cars ) not blt
1950

Doug Brown

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Ed Hawkins wrote

These cars aren't listed in the 1/59 ORER but are listed in 7/62. I
don't have immediate access to any ORERs between these dates to find
out when the cars were renumbered. The RI Color Guide shows a photo
of 110012 but this is a 1967 photo.

Yep, nice photo. Page 41. More info:

*GAEX series 1950- 1999 blt 1950 GACC/EVANS ( 19 cars )
GAEX series 100000-124999 blt 1950 GACC/EVANS ( 349 cars )

* horizontal rivet seam

Built 1950-1955 with 16 panel rivet sides, R+3/4 DN

RMJ 11/1998 pp.16-25 Ed Hawkins' roster w/ 1950's photo
GAEX #100022 w/ Chrysler trucks, Duryea u/f

RMJ 2/1992 p.34 1966 color photo GBW #112007

RMJ 9/1990 p.32 reprint of short article from the
B&M Railroad Magazine (8/1950), photo GAEX #1953

RMJ 9/1990 p.43 disposition of several cars shown
in 1960's/1970's -- CB&Q/CSS/GBW/MEC

RMJ 6/1990 pp.16-17, p.22 photo "PRR" #100022
Roster including year-to-year numbers, and story
of final uses and disposition

RMJ 4/1990 pp.20-21 follow on article w/ repainted/
relettered cars for CB&Q, PC, PRR, GM&O

RMJ 3/1990 pp.44-57 history, 1961/1968 rosters and
photos of several cars of various styles. With
accompanying article on kitbash from C&BT kits








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Re: Da Costa's PFE book

Paul Lyons
 

Larry, I like you have the old book. I saw the new one last week and had a
chance to thumb through it. It did not look a whole lot different, but then I
did not have the old one next to it to compare page for page. I elected NOT to
buy it.
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


Re: WWII related messages

Clyde Williams <billdgoat@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Clyde Williams" <billdgoat@i...>
wrote:
I noticed in a WWII issue of Railroad magazine about the C&EI
coming
out (before the 9-'43 time I model)with the war bonds message on a
number of their cars.

Reminds me of some other freight cars I've seen in photos with WWII
related messages. I can think of the small messages on various PRR
cars, a red, white and blue, Swift "V for Victory" reefer, a red,
white and blue tank car and a red,white and blus Erie caboose.

Can you guys think of any others?

Ed Mines
GN painted a heavyweight diner RW&B
Bill Williams


Re: freight car wheels

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Lots of roads and car lines used to paint freight car truck frames. I doubt that it was prohibited in the time-frame covered by this list. I can remember seeing Northern Refrigerator Car crews do it in New Orleans in the early 1960s - in the open air. On the Santa Fe, when freight cars came new from the builders in the '30s and '40s they mostly had black-painted trucks; when the railroad later shopped cars the trucks came out painted Mineral Brown.

This is about a diesel truck but it's a good story: When the Santa Fe was rebuilding F units into CF7s at Cleburne, Texas, I got a guided tour of the locomotive shops there from a foreman who shall remain nameless. He proudly showed us a freshly re-conditioned F-unit truck - the so called "Blomberg" type - that was painted silver all over, including the fronts and backs of the wheels. It was sparkly clean and quite an impressive sight. My traveling companion said he thought that the FRA required that the wheels be left unpainted. "Oh that," the foreman said. "That's just a little overspray."

so long,

Andy

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MODEL RAILROADER Magazine
262-796-8776, ext. 461
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Re: RI 50' Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed Hawkins wrote

These cars aren't listed in the 1/59 ORER but are listed in 7/62. I
don't have immediate access to any ORERs between these dates to find
out when the cars were renumbered. The RI Color Guide shows a photo
of 110012 but this is a 1967 photo.

Yep, nice photo. Page 41. More info:

*GAEX series 1950- 1999 blt 1950 GACC/EVANS ( 19 cars )
GAEX series 100000-124999 blt 1950 GACC/EVANS ( 349 cars )

* horizontal rivet seam

Built 1950-1955 with 16 panel rivet sides, R+3/4 DN

RMJ 11/1998 pp.16-25 Ed Hawkins' roster w/ 1950's photo
GAEX #100022 w/ Chrysler trucks, Duryea u/f

RMJ 2/1992 p.34 1966 color photo GBW #112007

RMJ 9/1990 p.32 reprint of short article from the
B&M Railroad Magazine (8/1950), photo GAEX #1953

RMJ 9/1990 p.43 disposition of several cars shown
in 1960's/1970's -- CB&Q/CSS/GBW/MEC

RMJ 6/1990 pp.16-17, p.22 photo "PRR" #100022
Roster including year-to-year numbers, and story
of final uses and disposition

RMJ 4/1990 pp.20-21 follow on article w/ repainted/
relettered cars for CB&Q, PC, PRR, GM&O

RMJ 3/1990 pp.44-57 history, 1961/1968 rosters and
photos of several cars of various styles. With
accompanying article on kitbash from C&BT kits


Re: freight car wheels

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

A.T. Kott writes:

On a related matter, MP and ART painted their wheels and truck
sideframes black up until the early 1960's. They also painted the
couplers black. The paint must have been special - did not hide any
defects - since wheels, sideframes and couplers were not supposed to
be painted. MP and ART were a spit-and-polish operation until the
late 1950's. I have seen black paint in good condition on MP MOW
boxcars' trucks and couplers as recently as the early 1980's.

Please excuse me if this paint-on-trucks/couplers issue has already
been beaten to death on the list - I am new here.
No excuse needed. In fact, that's the first I've heard about this practice by MP and ART....and, quite useful given the fact that I'm fixing to weather an MP box car..

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: B&W photo processing

artrich999@...
 

Ed;
Thanks for the information. I appreciate it.

---
Art Richardson
Clinton, MS


Re: Rock Island car from Branchline 40' undec boxcar kit (6' door)?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Paul Gehrett asked:
"I've come into the possession of a 3 pack of the Undecorated
Branchline 40' boxcar kits (with 6' door). Did the Rock Island have
any cars that could be made from the roof/end combinations that come
with the undec kit?"

No. The RI postwar AAR cars had 12 panel cars welded sides;
however, one of the nice things about the Branchline undecs is that
they come with all of the roof and end variations. You can take
the "dartnot" ends from these kits and use them to modify a C&BT Car
Shops 6 ft door opening 12-panel welded side kit, or use them with
the Intermountain GN 12-panel car. You will need to carefully shave
away the side sheathing rivets if you use the Intermountain kit.

See the October 1990 and May 1992 issues of Railmodel Journal for
photos of these cars, as well as Railmodel Journal Freight Car
Models, Vol. II for a reprint of the October 1990 article.


Ben Hom


Rock Island car from Branchline 40' undec boxcar kit (6' door)?

Paul Gehrett
 

Hi Folks,

I've come into the possession of a 3 pack of the
Undecorated Branchline 40' boxcar kits (with 6' door).
Did the Rock Island have any cars that could be made
from the roof/end combinations that come with the
undec kit? If so, does anyone know where I could find
some photos of the prototype cars?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Paul Gehrett


10 foot PS-1 model

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

Group,
If anyone is interested, i've posted a photo of the unpainted
model on the STMFPH site, in the files section. It's
called, "File0026.pdf. This is going to be a NH car, built 1948.
Shows how I replaced the roof sill instead of reworking the
original. This meant that I had to add new upper door tracks, but
I'd probably have had to do that anyway, as they would have been
removed along with the 6" strip of side panel.

Regards,
Phil Buchwald


Re: freight car wheels

proto48er
 

--- In STMFC@..., "bea9bea7" <estcbq@a...> wrote:

question for the list--when did the FRA[assumed] outlaw the
ribbed back freight wheels from interchange traffic and was there a
grace period for instillation of the flat back wheels--thanks
j.Young

J - Not sure when the chilled iron wheels were outlawed, but the
National Museum of Transport in St Louis has a wood ART refrigerator
car on display that has one relatively new ribbed-back wheelset (2-
wheels on axle) that has the date "1959" cast on each wheel. In
1948, approximately 85% of the freight car fleet had this type of
wheel, according to the CBC. They were definately made and applied
to cars throughout the 1950's.

On a related matter, MP and ART painted their wheels and truck
sideframes black up until the early 1960's. They also painted the
couplers black. The paint must have been special - did not hide any
defects - since wheels, sideframes and couplers were not supposed to
be painted. MP and ART were a spit-and-polish operation until the
late 1950's. I have seen black paint in good condition on MP MOW
boxcars' trucks and couplers as recently as the early 1980's.

Please excuse me if this paint-on-trucks/couplers issue has already
been beaten to death on the list - I am new here. A.T. Kott


Re: B&W photo processing

artrich999@...
 

Ed;
Could you give me the contact information for Richard Berg? I would
appreciate it.
Thank you.
---
Art Richardson, Secretary
GM&O Historical Society, Inc.
P. O. Box 1085
Clinton, MS 39060


Re: Computerized Freightcar Inventory Database Programs

mopacfirst
 

So what do you suppose the engine is that's behind all these car
management programs and waybill programs and whatnot that are advertised?
And, no, I don't mean engine in the model railroad sense.

I use Excel for all sorts of lists of stuff, and most of the time I don't
care how pretty it is, but I can make it so if I feel like it. I don't
think most of the stuff we do is complicated enough to take real advantage
of a relational database like Access, although I put stuff into Access
when I can't do it conveniently in Excel.

If it can be described in twenty columns (fields) or less and there's a
few thousand rows or less, I'd go with Excel. And, although I have slides
listed in Excel, I don't have my freight cars there yet.

Ron Merrick

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Re: IMWX/Des Plaines boxcars with Viking roofs

Michael Aufderheide
 

Dean,

First, I appologize, I did not read your first e-mail
clearly enough. As for the Erie, only the big herald
was there as you mentioned and the website shows. As
for the SOO, they have both the '50's billboard and
the dollar sign herald in. I remember this because I
had just picked up a dollar sign herald car off the
bargain table for half price about a month ago. Very
Odd. The SOO have rectangular panel roofs however.
I'm still looking for a car with the viking roof for
my layout too.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

--- Dean Payne <deanpayne@...> wrote:

Actually, their web site shows the Erie with the
Large herald, which
is wrong for my late 30's time frame. They also
show the Soo car
with the "50's style early block lettering". Nope,
that won't do
either! The Erie (small herald), NKP or C&O are
what I am looking
for. I don't think they are making any more, since
the web site
hasn't changed in... a long time. Perhaps it
doesn't reflect what is
available? No CE&I is listed (despite the rumor to
the contrary on
this list...)
Dean Payne

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WWII related messages

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Clyde Williams" <billdgoat@i...>
wrote:
I noticed in a WWII issue of Railroad magazine about the C&EI coming
out (before the 9-'43 time I model)with the war bonds message on a
number of their cars.

Reminds me of some other freight cars I've seen in photos with WWII
related messages. I can think of the small messages on various PRR
cars, a red, white and blue, Swift "V for Victory" reefer, a red,
white and blue tank car and a red,white and blus Erie caboose.

Can you guys think of any others?

Ed Mines


Re: Computerized Freightcar Inventory Database Programs

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

You can easily put drop down menus with valid values in Excel. And, given the formats you can export and import to/from Excel it's easy to put data into and out of other products that use acknowledged standards for such things.

At 10:04 PM 3/7/2005, you wrote:

One advantage of a database program (at least the ones that I have used)
over Excel is that you can set up drop-down lists for each field. For
example, using Steve's field of Category, you can set the data base up with
pre-determined inputs for that field such as Pass, Frt, NonRev, MOW. You can
also set it up to allow for additions in case you missed something. This not
only keeps the information in each field consistent which allows for more
accurate searches, but also minimizes the typing required. Possibly this
could be done in Excel but I haven't played with it.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: RI 50' Boxcar

vgnry <vgnry212@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:

Bill,
These cars aren't listed in the 1/59 ORER but are listed in 7/62. I
don't have immediate access to any ORERs between these dates to find
out when the cars were renumbered. The RI Color Guide shows a photo
of > 110012 but this is a 1967 photo. The book states the cars were
leased
GAEX reporting marks) before RI took ownership. That being the case,
the prototype cars built by General American in the early 1950s had
Duryea underframes and straight side sills. Perhaps Steve Hile can
shed some more information about these cars, however, it's probably
going to be post-1960 data and outside the scope of this forum.
Railmodel Journal published a couple of articles on cars of this type
in 1990-91.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Ed, Many thanks.

Bill McClure


Russell Snow Plow Company - Again

bierglaesser <lgreen@...>
 

Can anyone tell me the new Penn Central or CONRAIL number for any of
these Pennsylvania Railroad Russell snow plows? Number 497798
eventually became AMTRK 16026 and was retired in June 1981 but what
was it in between while owned by PC or CR?

PRR 497758 Wood
PRR 499631 Wood
PRR 499632 Wood
PRR 994481 Wood
PRR 407788 1-1938 Steel
PRR 497709 Steel
PRR 497723 Steel
PRR 497759 Steel
PRR 497780 11-1946 Steel
PRR 497781 11-1946 Steel
PRR 497782 11-1946 Steel
PRR 497783 10-1946 Steel
PRR 497784 11-1946 Steel
PRR 497785 11-1946 Steel
PRR 497786 12-1946 Steel
PRR 497787 1-1947 Steel
PRR 497788 1-1947 Steel
PRR 497794 10-1947 Steel
PRR 497795 9-1947 Steel
PRR 497796 10-1947 Steel
PRR 497797 11-1947 Steel
PRR 497798 2-1948 Steel
PRR 497799 2-1948 Steel
PRR 497800 10-1947 Steel
PRR 497801 9-1947 Steel
PRR 497802 10-1947 Steel

Gene Green

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