Re: train show

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>

Yes, Cincinnati, July 8-10th.

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@..., "Clark Propst" <cepropst@n...> wrote:
Can I get the date from the weekend train show that accompanies the
NMRA national convention? I believe the convention is in
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: Intermountain NP Reefers

Mike Brock <brockm@...>

Regarding in service photos of NP reefers, the book Northern Pacific In Color by Doug Nighswonger...Morning Sun...includes a nice photo from above of an NP reefer. The shot was taken on May 28, 1953, and the reefer's roof is a shade of brownish red. The car has the small herald and lettering under it. However, the lettering...not distinguishable, is not long enough for "Mainstreet of the Northwest". In fact, the car has 8 panels to the right of the door...making it, apparently, a car in the 94000 series.

"Not so fast, my friend." Todd Sullivan says in his book NP Color Guide to frt and Passenger Cars that this series was built between '55 and '60. It is noteworthy that the car is performing fairly well two or more yrs prior to being built. Furthermore, for a car not built yet, it is surprisingly well weathered. To help date the photo, the car is directly behind NP Challenger 5132 at Garrison, MT, [ shot apparently by James Shuman ] and three photos of the train are included among many others shot, apparently, on the same day.

Cars of the series 94000 do not appear in the '53 ORER.

Mike Brock

train show

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>

Can I get the date from the weekend train show that accompanies the NMRA national convention? I believe the convention is in Cinnnniniiatii?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: Digest Number 2345

Lou <loumickie@...>

Hello all,

Pardon the simple question, but in general, when did freight cars with
vertical brake staffs disappear from the rails. I suspect that at somepoint
they were outlawed and converted, but I'm not sure. I was at a train meet
yesterday and picked up one Redball NYC 40' Sheathed Box Car (X-29) and one
Westerfield AC&F 40' Type IIIa Reefer car kit.

I'll be the first to admit that I have a terrible time determining what cars
ran when. My intention is to model the steam to diesel era (I know that is a
fair bit of time), so I have to do a better job of picking out my kits.
Anyway, when would it have been common to see mixed freights of cars with
vertical brake staffs and those without .

I appreciate the assistance. Love the list, but I have a lot to learn.

I'll hang up and listen for your reply,
Lou in snowy Vermont

vintage train footage


For those with high speed connections (or lots of time <g>) there
are quite a few films with vintage train footage at

Jerry Glow

express boxcar steam and signal lines

Bill McCoy <bugsy451@...>

I'm working on several of these cars. Does any one know how the
steam and signal lines were routed on these cars that were converted
from the freight fleet. I'm especially interested in whether the
lines ran between the floor and crossties and crossbearers, How they
got by the bolsters and where and how they crossed the center sill.
Did the lines run near the center sill or the side of the car?

The instructions for the Sunshine SAL express box says

"Add a steam line of .25 styrene rod under the car, since it is
visible from the side. It runs down the right side of the car when
facing the "B" end. It is mounted on the crossbearers and ties. As
it approaches the "B" end, it traverses the centersill."

All of the pictures of the SAL cars I have are either from the wrong
side of the car or lighting is such the line is not visable.

In addition to the SAL car, I'm planning a PFE R40-10, an ATSF FE-
24, A PRR X-29, a GN, SP, and others. I have sunshine Kits for the
NC&StL and UP express cars. I couldn't find anything on steam and
signal routing in RP-CYC 8.


Bill McCoy

Repack dates

Rich Yoder

Can someone clarify for me the regulations in regards to frequency of Repacking journals during the 40's? Wasn't it performed every 18 months after a car was built for safety purposes?
Richard Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913

Re: Intermountain NP Reefers

Bill McCoy <bugsy451@...>

Thanks to Virgil and Mike for responding. I ordered Vol 4 #2 of "The
Mainstreeter" for the ice reefers and Vol 12 #2 for the mechanicals.
Since the small herald Amarillo R40-25 has the same side lettering
as the IM R40-23s I think I will repaint the ends red and roof
silver and change the reweigh date to 1949 on one of the cars. I'll
watch out for the prototype police.

Any idea when the new edition of the Dorin NP book is due out? I
also haven't looked at the Morming Sun NP color equipment book to
see what they have on these cars. Are these reefers covered there?

There is a great index of all of "The Mainstreeter" issues at

Bill McCoy

--- In STMFC@..., vyoung5622@a... wrote:

In a message dated 3/11/2005 8:12:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,
bugsy451@c... writes:

MY IM R40-23 NP reefers (NP 91123 and 91147)both have small
heralds , black roofs and ends and "Mainstreet of the Northwest".
weigh Dates are R.N. 9-47. Could either of these cars have had
red ends and silver roof or the red roof and ends with this
lettering? neither car has been built so repainting would be easy.

This is the earlier scheme before the adoption of the red ends and
roof. It is likely that they would have been repainted into the
later scheme
sometime after the larger herald and "Route of the Vista Dome
North Coast
Limited" was adopted. I have one of the earlier paint scheme R-40-
23s which I
plan to weather heavily and mix in with the later versions when a
member of
the Prototype Police is not around.

Information on the paint schemes used on the NP R-40-23 and the NP
reefers is confusing as to the shades of paint used and the dates
the various
logos appeared. I can't lay my hands on the correspondence we
had with a
noted NP Guru before we ran the R-40-25 version, but we shared it
with Ed
Hawkins, who wrote the excellent article HO Scale PFE R-40-25 and
NP 40-Foot
Reefers which appeared in the September, 2000 issue of Railmodel

Virgil Young
Amarillo, TX

Re: [LCL_Ops_Modeling] DL&W LCL 1940

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>

Ralph Heiss wrote:

If you haven't already seen this post over on the Ry-Ops-Industry
SIG, check this out....

DL&W Less Carload Routing Guide dated 1940
for routing traffic from Boston & Maine Railroad to points west at:

(Courtesey of Jon Liles via the EL Mailing List)
Thanks Ralph & Schuyler for both tipping me off to this DL&W attempt to get a larger piece of the westbound merchandise traffic off the B&M.

In its August 1, 1938 Schedule, B&M LCL Schedule, the B&M had next day direct car service to DL&W's Binghamton Transfer from Boston MA, Gardner MA, Holyoke MA, Springfield MA & Worcester MA; the last two should be somewhat surrogates for the New Haven. Besides the Boston-Binghamton Route, Boston-B&M had also direct service to Cleveland (NKP) and Chicago (WAB) via the DL&W. Many B&M stations may have sent direct cars to D&H's Mechanicville NY Transfer for forwarding shipments to Binghamton or other points further west on the DL&W routes to the west. If the package was transferred at both Mechanicville & Binghamton, the cost was about a day in transit.

Regarding the list of stations in this DL&W posting by Jon Liles, most of them did not have direct service from Binghamton, but packages were transferred further west at "unknown" interim points including most likely Proviso IL (C&NW), Galewood IL (MILW), Berwyn or Galesburg IL (CB&Q), Kansas City (ATSF), Minnesota Transfer (GN & NP), Council Bluffs/Omaha Transfer (UP), St. Louis MO (MP), etc.. For shipments to the West Coast, those packages may have been subject to transfer at other points further west than those cited above. All of this transfer activity was in addition to the sundry transfers of the NKP, WAB & CN/GTW further east.

The existence of Binghamton Transfer may have been a blatant attempt in 1940 to get B&M's (& D&H's) westbound LCL traffic; the DL&W also operated Scranton Transfer which served as the transfer point for LCL traffic coming from its own stations in New Jersey & New York City as well as the New Haven RR. In the early 1950's, the DL&W closed Binghamton Transfer and shifted most of what was left of its work to Scranton.

Tim Gilbert

Re: Speedwitch announcements

Charles Dean


The website for Speedwitch Media/Models is

The Southern RY gondola kit will be ready for the Savannah PM meet on April 8-9. Currently castings are being made from the Ted's master patterns.

Any other questions can be directed to info@....

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Ky.


Message: 4
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:01:54 -0600
From: "Darren Plants" <dplants@...>
Subject: Speedwitch announcements

The April RMC has an announcement of several upcoming Speedwitch kits. I
didn't see any info on the website. Ted, any estimates on when these might
be available? Thanks

Darren Plants


Calling Tim Gilbert

Schuyler Larrabee

And anyone else interested in Northeastern LCL.


-----Original Message-----
From: erielack-owner@...
[mailto:erielack-owner@...] On Behalf Of Jon
and Bev Liles
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:29 PM
To: erielack@...
Subject: (erielack) Web SIte Update


I have added the DL&W Less Carload Routing Guide dated 1940
for routing traffic from Boston & Maine Railroad to points west at:

More to come!

Jon Liles
ELHS # 3158
NMRA # 125464
CVRHS # 195

PSC built 40'6" IL gons, info needed

Garrett Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>


James Bilbrey and I are looking for info, photos, diagrams, plans, etc of
the PSC built 40'6" IL, 4'7" IH 1765 CU Ft gondolas. There is a 3/4 railfan
shot of one in captive L&N service in Steven D. Johnson's excellent L&N
Morning Sun color guide (Volume one, page 67), but this is not the best of
photos for side details and the end is in the shadows.

It is our understanding that this car was owned by both the Tennessee
Central (1926 blt, 5101-5200) and L&N (1930 blt), and we are looking for
further information on these cars.

So far, the only photograph of what *may* be one of these cars we can find
is the following (and it is not much, look to the far right):

Thanks in advance-


Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN

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Re: Computerized Freightcar Inventory Database Programs

Allen Rueter <allen@...>

For those of you who don't have or don't care to spend the money on M$ office,
I prefer to spend it else where, there are free solutions to keeping
your freight car/loco/book/photo/station/tt inventory.

Download cygwin from, it's free and uses the GNU public license.

This will give you a basic unix environment on windows, and lets you use
simple programming tools like grep or gawk.

You can build your inventory tables with notepad or wordpad, just use
tabs to seperate your columns.

so for example I have a table called freightCars file with
Mfr Mfr# Road number class blt comments

grep is a simple search tool.
If I want to list my branch line cars, which I have abbreviated bl
I type:
grep -i ^bl freightCars

and I get a list of my branchline freight cars, the above means
search case insensitive (-i) , the ^ means bl must be at the beginning of
the line.

for a list of my RI cars:
grep -iw ri freightCars

the w here requires that white space be on either side or RI so it
doesn't match something like 'write'.

one bug-a-boo is characters like & have special meaning in unix commands.
so either leave them out (like the RR do, I haven't seen one in
a wheel report yet ) or you need to escape them with &#92; .

if you want to sub filter your list like branchline atsf cars, type:
grep -i ^bl freightCars | grep -iw atsf

gawk is beyond to scope of an email message, but I will give an example
I use on wheel reports

gawk '$3=="L" && $4~"T" {print $1,$2}' 7002*/*.TXT

looks in column 3 for loads, looks for the 4th column (car type) to contain
a T and prints out car initial and number, in all feb 1970 files.

My $.02, I find databases over kill.

Allen P Rueter Phone: 314/935-6429 email allen :)

Re: ATSF FE-24 express boxes

Steve Sandifer <jssand@...>

J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill McCoy
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:27 AM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF FE-24 express boxes

I want to build an ATSF FE-24 express boxcar. I also have an
undecorated Athearn 50' DD shell and the sides rivet patterns look
like a close match to the FE-24. I propose grafting the sides from
the Athearn car to the P2K floor, roof and ends. Am I headed in the
right direction to get an accurate FE-24?

Bill McCoy

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Speedwitch announcements

Darren Plants <dplants@...>

The April RMC has an announcement of several upcoming Speedwitch kits. I
didn't see any info on the website. Ted, any estimates on when these might
be available? Thanks

Darren Plants

Re: STMFC activity in LA


There are some locomotives and stuff right in Pomona at the
fairgrounds. As for hobby shops esp those that might have O-scale, I
think you'll have to go to The Whistle Stop in Pasadena.

Jerry Glow
former souCal resident

--- In STMFC@..., Rufus Cone <cone@m...> wrote:
Interested in recommendations for STMFC sites, activities,
research opportunities,
libraries, etc. in LA area for weekend of 3/18-20/05.

Shops specializing in freight car books, Proto48, etc?

Also, what is access to locomotives in Pomona, other museums, etc?

Rufus Cone

Atlas U.P. Ballast Hoppers.

Arnold van Heyst


I've just received 6 Atlas U.P. Ballast Hoppers.
I will like to buy a U.P. diesel or little steamer to combine it with
I'm thinking of Proto 2000, Atlas or..............whatever.
Any suggestions?

Around the year 1947-1959.

Arnold van heyst

Re: Harriman Head End Car Trucks

Storey Lindsay


Basically, they are not. If you mean "Harriman" as most folks commonly use the term and including baggage-express, baggage-horse, and baggage-RPO cars, they were numbered in the passenger car numbering system which consisted of 4-digit numbers. Freight cars were numbered with 5 and/or 6 digits. The Southern Pacific's passenger-service equipped box-express cars were numbered 5700-48, 5800-74, and 5900-23 to fit in the passenger car number system.

Storey Lindsay
Celje, Slovenia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Harper" <harper-brown@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 04:57
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Harriman Head End Car Trucks

I'd like to know how the Harriman headend cars are incorporated into
the SP freight car numbering system. Maybe some of our SP freight
car experts can help us there.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

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Re: Harriman Head End Car Trucks

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>

Jared Harper wrote:
I'd like to know how the Harriman headend cars are incorporated into
the SP freight car numbering system. Maybe some of our SP freight
car experts can help us there.
They aren't in the freight car numbering system. They were always in the passenger roster.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Re: Rock Island car from Branchline 40' undec boxcar kit (6' door)?

Ed Hawkins

On Friday, March 11, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Paul Gehrett wrote:

Please see below.  I promise, these are the last
questions I'll ask on this topic :^)

RI's 40' box cars
built by P-S with 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends had 12-panel
riveted sides,
Do you know the number series for these P-S built
cars?  I think that I can make these from the IM
12-panel kit - just need to find the right ends, which
I think I have in my stash of parts.

2,000 cars built by AC&F with R+3/4 "Dartnot" ends
had 12-panel welded
Do you know the number series for these AC&F cars?  I
should be able to remove the rivets from the IM
12-panel car and use the BLT Dartnot ends. 
The 12-panel RI cars built 1946 by P-S are 25000-25499. The ACF cars
were built in two groups, 23000-23999 built 3-52. These had an ACF
riveted roof, unlike anything offered in plastic to date and
24000-24999 built 6-8/50 with diagonal panel roofs. The ACF cars are
shown in my article in the October 1990 RMJ (also reprinted in the RMJ
box car compendium book). The IM 12-panel car isn't correct for the RI
cars as the IM model represents a Great Northern or SP&S prototype
10'-0" IH car. The RI cars were all 10'-6". Presently Branchline is
working on tooling for 12-panel welded and 12-panel riveted cars that
can be used for these RI cars. It will likely be a while before they
are ready. In the meantime, there's always C&BT shops that make models
of 12-panel cars. They aren't particularly good when compared to
Branchline's offerings and I would recommend waiting.

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