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Re: nice pics

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Mar 15, 2005, at 10:11 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:


Todd Horton asked:
"Can anyone make out whose hopper cars are being loaded just behind
the string of boxcars?"
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg

Baltimore & Ohio.  The thrid and fourth car from the left have
Capitol domes, and most of the rest appear to have the spelled
out "BALTIMORE & OHIO" scheme with no herald.
And it looks like an N&W hopper just across the river...

Regards
Bruce

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Re: nice pics

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Todd Horton asked:
"Can anyone make out whose hopper cars are being loaded just behind
the string of boxcars?"
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg

Baltimore & Ohio. The thrid and fourth car from the left have
Capitol domes, and most of the rest appear to have the spelled
out "BALTIMORE & OHIO" scheme with no herald.


Ben Hom


Re: Intermountain NP Reefers(NOW PFE REEFERS)

Paul Lyons
 

Tom, Same question. Are all the PFE reefers going to be RTR, or can we get kits?
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel. CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Jones III <tomtherailnut@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:27:20 -0600
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain NP Reefers



WHOOPS! My error! I did not make clear that the new R-40-25 reefers will be
1949 PFE - not NP. If there is enough interest in another run of NP reefers,
DROP ME AN E-MAIL IMMEDIATELY at NPreefers@... ! We have
to run at least 400 cars, so if I get e-mails committing to at least 200, we
would consider running the cars again quickly. If I get e-mails committing
to at least 300, I am pretty sure they will be run immediately! We want to
provide cool, accurate, and well researched cars to those of us who enjoy
great models. But, we can't get stuck with 390 NP reefers . . . sorry.

If there are other cars that this group wants to see in production, drop the
ARM an e-mail at: newcars@...

This was not meant to be a blatant commercial plug for the Amarillo Railroad
Museum, Inc. Hope the moderator doesn't mind too much the responses!

Tom Jones III
stationmaster@...


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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain NP Reefers



Tom, Are the NP reefers going to be all RTR, or can we get kits?
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA






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Re: Moloco Diagonal Panel Roof (with overhanging eaves)

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Guys;
I understood from others that there was, in real life, an early OH diag
panel roof, and a later one (as modeled by Moloco). Is this the case?
What date(s) does the Moloco roof match?

Thanks,

Elden

-----Original Message-----
From: rwitt_2000 [mailto:rmwitt@...]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Moloco Diagonal Panel Roof (with overhanging eaves)



"Gatwood, Elden" wrote:
... but I neglected to get the date of first use on the prototype,
and on what. Any definitive date?
I am sure there are other examples, but ~1956 the B&O started using
"ZU" overhanging roofs with their Class M-65 50-ft double-door box
cars. The next group were the Class M-66 40-ft box cars built in
1957. The Class M-67 also built in 1957 were IH 10"-0" PS-1 cars, but
used the P-S version of the "ZU" roof.

Earlier versions of roofs with overhanging eaves appeared on the NYC
all-steel, USRA clone box cars. All steel refrigerator cars
introduced in the mid-1930s also used roofs with overhanging eaves.
It was illustrated as an alternate design in the CBC from the 1940s,
but rarely adopted.

Can anyone explain why this roof style was adopted for steel reefers,
but not for box cars until almost 20 years later?

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Re: nice pics

centga@...
 

Can anyone make out who's hopper cars are being loaded just behind the string of boxcars? Todd Horton

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:39:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [STMFC] nice pics




On Mar 6, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Cleveland, Cuyahoga River, 1941 (note "Dixieland" box car)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg
The 'Dixieland' car is a 1932 ARA car and that is the only photo I have
ever seen of one in that scheme! The Erie car next to it is 1932 car
as well.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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Re: "Reciprocal" Switching - Please Explain

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

In practical terms wasn't it essentially limited to deliveries only? In the
Emeryville case cited earlier, what inducement would SP have for timely
pickup and transfer to the WP for an outbound load?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul & Theri Koehler [mailto:buygone@...]


When an industry was within the "Reciprocal Switching Limits" any carries
serving that "Switching Limits" was considered to be serving that industry.
In your example the SP physically served the industry, but WP could solicit
the long haul on any inbound or outbound traffic and all SP got for the
handling was a switching charge. If on the other hand the industry was not
within the "Reciprocal Switching Limits" then the SP would get a division of
the line haul revenue.



Paul C. Koehler


Re: "Reciprocal" Switching - Please Explain

Kathe Robin <kathe@...>
 

The arrangement for the NF&G between the C&O and NYC was on a 6 month
basis, at least until 1950. Hence the C&O operated the line and all
customers for 6 months and the NYC operated and served customers the
next 6 months. There was usually a provision to balance out locomotive
usage/milage such that each carrier made the same revenue and had
similar expenses.

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Re: Red CABOOSE "NYC 40 ft Sheathed Boxcar (X-29)"

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Terry Link wrote:
"One published photo appears in New York Central's Later Power by
Staufer and May. Page 41 - car coupled to the front of the
locomotive. Has the three panel door similar to the Red Caboose kit.

And here are some shots of 128026 involved in a wreck on the CASO:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/dunnville-wreck.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-128026.jpg "

Terry, thanks for pointing us to these photos. The quality of the
photos isn't good enough to conclusively to ID whether or not these
are X29 or ARA copies (the particular spotting feature is the
arrangement of rivets at the panel seam between the panel closest to
the end and the second panel in)*, but they certainly provide much
more more information than what I thought we had earlier.

* - Specifically, the ARA arrangement has the panel seam centered on
the vertical structural member behind the sheathing. This results
in the row of closely spaced rivets on the inner (closest to the
door) side of the seam , and the other, wider spaced row of rivets
on the other side of the seam. The 1924 X29 arrangement has both
rows of rivets on the inner side of the seam.


Ben Hom


Re: LNE 1923 ARA Box

Robert Daniels
 

Thanks Ted -- do you know about when the cars received
diagonal panel roofs?

--- Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:

On Mar 15, 2005, at 3:44 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Rob Daniels asked:
"I'm looking for any or all of the following
information regarding the
appliances used on LNE 1923 ARA boxcars following
AB upgrades:

1) What type of brake housing (I believe it was
power brakes, but not
sure
what kind)"

Will Whittaker photographed LNE 8413 at San
Francisco in 1963. This
photo
ran in the Amerine/Freeman X29 article in the
October 1978 Prototype
Modeler. Brake wheel and housing are Ajax.
First group (8001-8200) used unpowered staff-type
hand brakes. The
second group (8201-8500) used Ajax hand brakes with
the early hand
wheel (use the parts from Intermountain) and the
last group I can't
definitively say, but I believe they used Ajax. As
the earlier cars
(8001-8200) received their diagonal panel roofs,
they also received
power hand brakes, not Ajax in every case.

"2) What type of cut lever (carmer, upper or lower
bar)"

It's hard to tell in the Whitaker photo - it
appears to be top
operated.
The cars were built with Carmer cut levers. If I
had to guess, I
would say
that many retained them to retirement, with some
replaced as Carmer
parts
became scarce (as did the PRR X29).
The last group of cars built (8501-8750) used bottom
operated cut
levers.

"3) Was the three-lever system like the one on the
PRR X29 retained,
or was
it converted to the more conventional two-lever AB
arrangement?"

The LNE cars had KC brakes vice the KD brakes of
the PRR cars, so the
lever
arrangement is different. I'd go with the two
lever arrangement. A
Paul
Dunn photo of LNE 8484 in the November 2001
Railmodel Journal has the
AB
brake components nicely silhouetted.


"4) What type of trucks was used?"

The cars were built new with ARA Type Y trucks.
(The Bowser 2D-F8 is
the
closest match in HO and N.) These were replaced
by the 1950s with AAR
cast
sideframe trucks with simplex bolsters.
(Life-Like Canada LL212560 in
HO.)
Again, the last group was different, using an ARA
truck with cast steel
sideframes with a coil-elliptic spring package. All
of the photos I
have of cars with different trucks show none with
anything like the
Life Like trucks (a 1920s type). Does Life Like
offer more than one
truck (that would be good news)?

Ben's comments were probably directed towards the
models and thus,
towards the two earlier groups. The last group of
cars had always
puzzled me. Why would the LNE build a 1923 ARA car
with Dreadnaught
ends and a Murphy roof when the 1932 ARA car was
already being built.
The answer I found was that the rolls for the
Z-sections of the center
sill on the 1932 ARA cars were not available in
large enough quantities
so they opted to build a 1923 ARA car with the more
modern roof and
ends.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
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ARM NP Reefers

asychis@...
 

IMPORTANT - PLEASE NOTE

To the group, the posting that we are doing NP reefers is incorrect. Tom
was just a bit off. We did some a few years back, but we have no intentions at
the present time to do a run of NP reefers from our PFE R40-25 moldings. We
may do a run in the future, but it took us three years to sell 300 kits.
I'm sure we'd do a new run of the NP cars if we got about 100 or so
reservations up front, but I doubt that this is going to happen.

We ARE, however, doing a new run of the PFE R40-25s in the 1949 paint
scheme. That run should be available in the next few months (few being determined
by InterMountain's production schedule). There will be four new numbers, all
will be assembled and they will have individual reweigh locations and dates,
like our R40-25 1953 run (see e-Bay for a current fixed-price auction on
these cars).

Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum
Custom Car Projects Coordinator


Re: LNE 1923 ARA Box

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Mar 15, 2005, at 3:44 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Rob Daniels asked:
"I'm looking for any or all of the following information regarding the
appliances used on LNE 1923 ARA boxcars following AB upgrades:

1) What type of brake housing (I believe it was power brakes, but not sure
what kind)"

Will Whittaker photographed LNE 8413 at San Francisco in 1963. This photo
ran in the Amerine/Freeman X29 article in the October 1978 Prototype
Modeler. Brake wheel and housing are Ajax.
First group (8001-8200) used unpowered staff-type hand brakes. The second group (8201-8500) used Ajax hand brakes with the early hand wheel (use the parts from Intermountain) and the last group I can't definitively say, but I believe they used Ajax. As the earlier cars (8001-8200) received their diagonal panel roofs, they also received power hand brakes, not Ajax in every case.

"2) What type of cut lever (carmer, upper or lower bar)"

It's hard to tell in the Whitaker photo - it appears to be top operated.
The cars were built with Carmer cut levers. If I had to guess, I would say
that many retained them to retirement, with some replaced as Carmer parts
became scarce (as did the PRR X29).
The last group of cars built (8501-8750) used bottom operated cut levers.

"3) Was the three-lever system like the one on the PRR X29 retained, or was
it converted to the more conventional two-lever AB arrangement?"

The LNE cars had KC brakes vice the KD brakes of the PRR cars, so the lever
arrangement is different. I'd go with the two lever arrangement. A Paul
Dunn photo of LNE 8484 in the November 2001 Railmodel Journal has the AB
brake components nicely silhouetted.


"4) What type of trucks was used?"

The cars were built new with ARA Type Y trucks. (The Bowser 2D-F8 is the
closest match in HO and N.) These were replaced by the 1950s with AAR cast
sideframe trucks with simplex bolsters. (Life-Like Canada LL212560 in HO.)
Again, the last group was different, using an ARA truck with cast steel sideframes with a coil-elliptic spring package. All of the photos I have of cars with different trucks show none with anything like the Life Like trucks (a 1920s type). Does Life Like offer more than one truck (that would be good news)?

Ben's comments were probably directed towards the models and thus, towards the two earlier groups. The last group of cars had always puzzled me. Why would the LNE build a 1923 ARA car with Dreadnaught ends and a Murphy roof when the 1932 ARA car was already being built. The answer I found was that the rolls for the Z-sections of the center sill on the 1932 ARA cars were not available in large enough quantities so they opted to build a 1923 ARA car with the more modern roof and ends.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: Red CABOOSE "NYC 40 ft Sheathed Boxcar (X-29)"

CASO <caso@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Benjamin Hom" <b.hom@...>

Is it kit no. RC-7050? At first glance, this might appear to be another
bogus Red Caboose model, but it's actually pretty accurate based on the
information that we have. NYC built 100 cars in 1926 to the either the
proposed 1923 ARA standard steel boxcar design or the early X29 design
(NYC
97000-97099, later renumbered to NYC 128000-128099).
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-504.jpg

I'm hedging because this diagram is the best that we've got so far on this
car. As you can see, it's pretty minimalist, but it clearly shows
X29-type
flat ends. Unfortunately, it doesn't confirm the number of side panels or
roof type; however, the dimensions are very close to that of PRR Class
X29.
John Nehrich wrote to the NYCSHS requesting photos of these cars, but they
replied that there were no known photos.

One published photo appears in New York Central's Later Power by Staufer and May. Page 41 - car coupled to the
front of the locomotive. Has the three panel door similar to the Red Caboose kit.

And here are some shots of 128026 involved in a wreck on the CASO:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/dunnville-wreck.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-128026.jpg

I believe these two shots should answer some questions about the construction of these cars.

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@...
www.canadasouthern.com


Re: Coal Traffic to South -West Wisconsin

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Richard White wrote:

Dear Members,
This is a request for information. I live in Botswana so local library
sources aren't much help.
I am building a layout set in south-west Wisconsin in the late 1940's.
Inspiration is Miwaukee Road's Mineral Point branch, Illinois Central's
lines in the area and C&NW lines across the Mississipi in Minnesota that
later became the DM&E.
In the steam era, where did this region get its coal supplies from?
More importantly from the layout building perspective, which railroads' cars
were used to carry it?
I have got Daniel Lanz's book "Railroads of Southern and Southwestern
Wisconsin" but it has no photographs of coal cars that have legible road
names.
Richard,

According to the ICC's 1950 "Annual Report of the Statistics of Railways in the US," there were about 10 million tons of "Products of Mining" terminating in the state of Wisconsin. Nationally, both anthracite and bituminous coal made up between 55 and 60% of the total of 746 million tons of "Products of Mining."

According to Ullman's AMERICAN COMMODITY FLOWS, the statistics for Wisconsin can only be inferred from using the destinations of other states Ullman sampled. In 1950, Wisconsin terminated Products of Mining from:

Iowa 10,000 tons
Kentucky 850,000 tons
Louisiana 50,000 tons
Montana 50,000 tons
Ohio 600,000 tons
Pennsylvania 530, 000 tons (251,000 Anthracite & 279,000 Bituminous)
Tennessee 500,000 tons
Wyoming 200,000 tons
Sub-Total 2,890,000 tons of which probably about 2 to 2.5 million were coal.

Besides Wisconsin, not included above are the significant coal producing states of Illinois, Indiana and West Virginia. These states probably contributed about another 4 to 5 million tons of coal with Illinois, I assume, contributing the lion's share.

I believe that the IC and CB&Q served the Southern Illinois coal fields so their hoppers would predominate. From Kentucky would be the C&O and L&N. A lot of the Pennsylvania and Ohio coal would have been transported via the Great Lakes so a good deal of the hoppers appearing in Southern Wisconsin would have originated their loads in Milwaukee or other Lake ports on the western shore of Lake Michigan (excluding Chicago). Still some bituminous, but small, creeped in via the B&O and PRR while the anthracite was probably all-rail transit from roads like the RDG, DL&W, LV & PRR.

In calculating tons per carload ratios, you should assume 50-55 tons per car.

Hope this helps although someone else may have better data from the 1% Carload samples,

Tim Gilbert


Re: LNE 1923 ARA Box

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Rob Daniels asked:
"I'm looking for any or all of the following information regarding the
appliances used on LNE 1923 ARA boxcars following AB upgrades:

1) What type of brake housing (I believe it was power brakes, but not sure
what kind)"

Will Whittaker photographed LNE 8413 at San Francisco in 1963. This photo
ran in the Amerine/Freeman X29 article in the October 1978 Prototype
Modeler. Brake wheel and housing are Ajax.


"2) What type of cut lever (carmer, upper or lower bar)"

It's hard to tell in the Whitaker photo - it appears to be top operated.
The cars were built with Carmer cut levers. If I had to guess, I would say
that many retained them to retirement, with some replaced as Carmer parts
became scarce (as did the PRR X29).


"3) Was the three-lever system like the one on the PRR X29 retained, or was
it converted to the more conventional two-lever AB arrangement?"

The LNE cars had KC brakes vice the KD brakes of the PRR cars, so the lever
arrangement is different. I'd go with the two lever arrangement. A Paul
Dunn photo of LNE 8484 in the November 2001 Railmodel Journal has the AB
brake components nicely silhouetted.


"4) What type of trucks was used?"

The cars were built new with ARA Type Y trucks. (The Bowser 2D-F8 is the
closest match in HO and N.) These were replaced by the 1950s with AAR cast
sideframe trucks with simplex bolsters. (Life-Like Canada LL212560 in HO.)


Ben Hom


Coal Traffic to South -West Wisconsin

Richard White
 

Dear Members,
This is a request for information. I live in Botswana so local library
sources aren't much help.
I am building a layout set in south-west Wisconsin in the late 1940's.
Inspiration is Miwaukee Road's Mineral Point branch, Illinois Central's
lines in the area and C&NW lines across the Mississipi in Minnesota that
later became the DM&E.
In the steam era, where did this region get its coal supplies from?
More importantly from the layout building perspective, which railroads' cars
were used to carry it?
I have got Daniel Lanz's book "Railroads of Southern and Southwestern
Wisconsin" but it has no photographs of coal cars that have legible road
names.
Thank you for your help,
Richard White




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Re: "Reciprocal" Switching - Please Explain

Paul & Theri Koehler <buygone@...>
 

Shawn:



When an industry was within the "Reciprocal Switching Limits" any carries
serving that "Switching Limits" was considered to be serving that industry.
In your example the SP physically served the industry, but WP could solicit
the long haul on any inbound or outbound traffic and all SP got for the
handling was a switching charge. If on the other hand the industry was not
within the "Reciprocal Switching Limits" then the SP would get a division of
the line haul revenue.



Paul C. Koehler



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From: Beckert, Shawn [mailto:Shawn.Beckert@...]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:41 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] "Reciprocal" Switching - Please Explain



List,

Is there a document or publication that explains the details
of "reciprocal switching"? This Western Pacific circular that
I'm wading through seems to give witness to a lot of this.

An example: The Judson-Pacific Murphy Company (a steel plant)
had two tracks in Emeryville with a combined capacity of 80
cars. That's a heckuva lot of gondolas and boxcars moving in
and out. This whole industry is listed on the tracks of the
Southern Pacific, yet the circular shows this as being served
by the Western Pacific.

How did this work? If the trackage was owned by the Espee, I
can't imagine them standing by while WP took the business of
a very large shipper away from them. Money must have changed
hands for the owner of the trackage (SP) to allow a competitor
(WP) to service one of their on-line industries.

Can someone clarify how this sort of transaction was done?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert




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Suggestions for decaling a spare IM USRA Composite gon?

oliver
 

I've found one of these in undecorated in my pile of stuff. Does
anyone have a suggestion for a good set of prototypical decals I could
use for this orphan? I'd like to decal (or dry transfer)it for a
smaller road if possible, but any road would do if the decals are correct.
Thanks in advance
Stefan Lerché
Duncan BC Canada


Re: Intermountain NP Reefers

Tom Jones III <tomtherailnut@...>
 

WHOOPS! My error! I did not make clear that the new R-40-25 reefers will be
1949 PFE - not NP. If there is enough interest in another run of NP reefers,
DROP ME AN E-MAIL IMMEDIATELY at NPreefers@... ! We have
to run at least 400 cars, so if I get e-mails committing to at least 200, we
would consider running the cars again quickly. If I get e-mails committing
to at least 300, I am pretty sure they will be run immediately! We want to
provide cool, accurate, and well researched cars to those of us who enjoy
great models. But, we can't get stuck with 390 NP reefers . . . sorry.

If there are other cars that this group wants to see in production, drop the
ARM an e-mail at: newcars@...

This was not meant to be a blatant commercial plug for the Amarillo Railroad
Museum, Inc. Hope the moderator doesn't mind too much the responses!

Tom Jones III
stationmaster@...

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain NP Reefers



Tom, Are the NP reefers going to be all RTR, or can we get kits?
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA



Re: Red CABOOSE "NYC 40 ft Sheathed Boxcar (X-29)"

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Lou Nigro wrote:
"Rob is right, I should have said Red Caboose."

Is it kit no. RC-7050? At first glance, this might appear to be another
bogus Red Caboose model, but it's actually pretty accurate based on the
information that we have. NYC built 100 cars in 1926 to the either the
proposed 1923 ARA standard steel boxcar design or the early X29 design (NYC
97000-97099, later renumbered to NYC 128000-128099).
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-504.jpg

I'm hedging because this diagram is the best that we've got so far on this
car. As you can see, it's pretty minimalist, but it clearly shows X29-type
flat ends. Unfortunately, it doesn't confirm the number of side panels or
roof type; however, the dimensions are very close to that of PRR Class X29.
John Nehrich wrote to the NYCSHS requesting photos of these cars, but they
replied that there were no known photos.

It's rather humorous that Red Caboose offered 21 different car numbers for
this 100 car lot. In reality, if you're going by fleet numbers of general
service boxcars, you'd need 210 Westerfield USRA-design steel boxcars for
every one of the Red Caboose kits.


Ben Hom


Re: nice pics

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Mar 6, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Cleveland, Cuyahoga River, 1941 (note "Dixieland" box car)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg
The 'Dixieland' car is a 1932 ARA car and that is the only photo I have ever seen of one in that scheme! The Erie car next to it is 1932 car as well.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

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