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Re: Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers

charles slater
 

Thanks Andy. Will get the check in the mail in a couple of days.
Charlie

From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:40:49 -0800 (PST)

Yes, I have enough to satisfy your request.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
805 646 3334

--- charles slater <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com> wrote:


Andy I already asked for 2 of the Santa Fe ice
reefers, and then a friend
said he would like 4 also. So do you have 6 of them
left? Let me know.
Charlie Slater

From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: Steam Era <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated
Reefers
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:27:39 -0800 (PST)

I have recently received a shipment of
INTERMOUNTAIN
RAILWAY CO's often hard to find HO ATSF Santa Fe
Undecorated Reefer Kits (Rr 32 and others). For the
"roll your own" enthusiasts among us I am offering
these for sale.

I also have remaining Pacific Fruit Express R-30-16
undecorated Reefer Kits, the Terry Wegmann/Red
Caboose
collaboration.

The price for these are:

IM RR CO ATSF Undec ...........$10.00 ea
Wegmann/RC R-30-16 ...........$22.00 ea.

Shipping is $3.85 for up to 2 kits, add another
$1.00
each additional kit (beyond 2). If interested,
please
contact me off-list at < midcentury@sbcglobal.net



Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



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Re: Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers

Andy Carlson
 

Yes, I have enough to satisfy your request.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
805 646 3334

--- charles slater <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com> wrote:


Andy I already asked for 2 of the Santa Fe ice
reefers, and then a friend
said he would like 4 also. So do you have 6 of them
left? Let me know.
Charlie Slater

From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: Steam Era <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated
Reefers
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:27:39 -0800 (PST)

I have recently received a shipment of
INTERMOUNTAIN
RAILWAY CO's often hard to find HO ATSF Santa Fe
Undecorated Reefer Kits (Rr 32 and others). For the
"roll your own" enthusiasts among us I am offering
these for sale.

I also have remaining Pacific Fruit Express R-30-16
undecorated Reefer Kits, the Terry Wegmann/Red
Caboose
collaboration.

The price for these are:

IM RR CO ATSF Undec ...........$10.00 ea
Wegmann/RC R-30-16 ...........$22.00 ea.

Shipping is $3.85 for up to 2 kits, add another
$1.00
each additional kit (beyond 2). If interested,
please
contact me off-list at < midcentury@sbcglobal.net



Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



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Re: Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers

charles slater
 

Andy I already asked for 2 of the Santa Fe ice reefers, and then a friend said he would like 4 also. So do you have 6 of them left? Let me know.
Charlie Slater

From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: Steam Era <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:27:39 -0800 (PST)

I have recently received a shipment of INTERMOUNTAIN
RAILWAY CO's often hard to find HO ATSF Santa Fe
Undecorated Reefer Kits (Rr 32 and others). For the
"roll your own" enthusiasts among us I am offering
these for sale.

I also have remaining Pacific Fruit Express R-30-16
undecorated Reefer Kits, the Terry Wegmann/Red Caboose
collaboration.

The price for these are:

IM RR CO ATSF Undec ...........$10.00 ea
Wegmann/RC R-30-16 ...........$22.00 ea.

Shipping is $3.85 for up to 2 kits, add another $1.00
each additional kit (beyond 2). If interested, please
contact me off-list at < midcentury@sbcglobal.net >


Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Accurail Triple Hopper

up4024 <thekays100@...>
 

Accurail has posted a photo of there long awaited triple hopper. This
car has some new features (for Accurail) that move it up a few notches
from their standard fare.

Go to: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/index.htm Then click on the
triple hopper (in the lower left-hand corner). Then click on the B&O
car.

Looks pretty go to me!!

SKay


Re: Accurail reefer kit bash

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/propst/urtx4613main.htm
l

The above link is to a detailed Accurail reefer.

Clark Propst


Re: Accurail reefer kit bash

Ed Hawkins
 

On Friday, March 25, 2005, at 07:42 PM, Tom Jones III wrote:

If you need ART reefers, you will be excited to learn that the Amarillo
Railroad Museum, Inc. and the Missouri Pacific Historical Society have
joined forces to develop a completely accurate ART reefer with
horizontal
rivet line. It is in final test shots, details are being finalized,
and the
cars should be available within a few weeks or so. I can't wait to
purchase
several for my layout. Check it out at www.amarillorailmuseum.com!

Tom Jones III
Tom,
While I'm also very enthusiastic about the eventual availability of
these ART HO-scale models, the MPHS and ARM are still awaiting receipt
from InterMountain Railway Co. of acceptable test shots of the sides.
In no way will these cars be available within a few weeks or so. Once
acceptable test shots are approved, then we will have the lead time for
running the plastic, shipping the parts to China for painting,
lettering and assembly, and the shipment back of the completed models.
The plans also call for a limited quantity of kits to be painted and
lettered in Longmont of the as-built version (circa 1939-1947 scheme).
But first things first: we must first approve test shots. Details of
availability are premature at this point.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins (MPHS Technical Advisor for the ART Reefer Project)


Re: Accurail reefer kit bash

Tom Jones III <tomtherailnut@...>
 

If you need ART reefers, you will be excited to learn that the Amarillo
Railroad Museum, Inc. and the Missouri Pacific Historical Society have
joined forces to develop a completely accurate ART reefer with horizontal
rivet line. It is in final test shots, details are being finalized, and the
cars should be available within a few weeks or so. I can't wait to purchase
several for my layout. Check it out at www.amarillorailmuseum.com!

Tom Jones III

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Accurail reefer kit bash




--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:

Has anyone reworked the Accurail reefer?
(SNIP!) It has been quite an
enjoyable project. It better be as approximately 1/3 of my reefer
fleet needs to be ART so I am planning on building several more.

Shay Stark


Re: RI Adapto Container Cars

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Check the photos on Twin Star Cars site, as well as the ones in the RITS
message. You'll have your answer.
--

Brian Ehni

From: Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:14:58 -0800
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RI Adapto Container Cars


He needs to make the containers for these unusual flat cars too. I hope
you'll notify us when they are available for sale.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


-----Original Message-----
From: benjaminfrank_hom [mailto:b.hom@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:01 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] RI Adapto Container Cars



(Spill over from bbfcl, but these cars make the cutoff of STMFC.)

For those with a taste in mutant Rock Island rolling stock, Twin
Star Cars will introduce HO scale resin kits of the 50 AC&F "Adapto"
COFC cars built for the Rock Island in 1956:

http://www.twinstarcars.com/adapto.htm
http://www.simpson.edu/mjdomo.archives/rits/msg00146.html


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Re: Southern's 40' Low-Side Gondolas

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Mar 25, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:


Scott Pitzer wrote:
Funny thing about the Sunshine Models gon loads such as ingot iron for
engine blocks, and aluminum ingots-- only a few of these items, placed
over the trucks, made a full load. So in model form, you start with a
resin gon that weighs nothing, and you add a few RESIN ingots for a
full load, and you hope the whole thing doesn't blow away! (I know,
Martin's in the resin business, not the lead business...)
Simple answer: weight your cars to run empty and build light,
removable loads.
These gons and all others offered in the future by Speedwitch Models will have a cavity under the floor to add weight. This will mean that the underframe components will not be modeled to their full "depth". I'll deal with Byron on this issue, but for the rest of you, it is probably a welcome problem to have. In addition, the patterns are constructed so that the floor fits "into" the sides and ends, eliminating the potential sloppy joints caused by having to butt the floor against the sides and ends. This will be invisible to the modeler since the kits will be one-piece castings to which the bottom of the floor/underframe components are added. However, it makes for a neater appearance to the interior of the car.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: RI Adapto Container Cars

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

He needs to make the containers for these unusual flat cars too. I hope
you'll notify us when they are available for sale.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: benjaminfrank_hom [mailto:b.hom@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:01 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] RI Adapto Container Cars



(Spill over from bbfcl, but these cars make the cutoff of STMFC.)

For those with a taste in mutant Rock Island rolling stock, Twin
Star Cars will introduce HO scale resin kits of the 50 AC&F "Adapto"
COFC cars built for the Rock Island in 1956:

http://www.twinstarcars.com/adapto.htm
http://www.simpson.edu/mjdomo.archives/rits/msg00146.html


Ben Hom


Re: Accurail reefer kit bash

Scott Pitzer
 

I did--

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/pitzer/fgex34816main.html

(I haven't compared this design to what Intermountain will be bringing out.)
Scott Pitzer
-------------

Has anyone reworked the Accurail reefer?

Ed Mines


Re: Southern's 40' Low-Side Gondolas

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Scott Pitzer wrote:
Funny thing about the Sunshine Models gon loads such as ingot iron for engine blocks, and aluminum ingots-- only a few of these items, placed over the trucks, made a full load. So in model form, you start with a resin gon that weighs nothing, and you add a few RESIN ingots for a full load, and you hope the whole thing doesn't blow away! (I know, Martin's in the resin business, not the lead business...)
Simple answer: weight your cars to run empty and build light, removable loads.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Southern's 40' Low-Side Gondolas

Scott Pitzer
 

I'm one of those who wants to justify a couple of low side gons travelling far from their home roads... for instance over the C&O in West Virginia. Seems like that isn't very common.
Funny thing about the Sunshine Models gon loads such as ingot iron for engine blocks, and aluminum ingots-- only a few of these items, placed over the trucks, made a full load. So in model form, you start with a resin gon that weighs nothing, and you add a few RESIN ingots for a full load, and you hope the whole thing doesn't blow away! (I know, Martin's in the resin business, not the lead business...)
Scott Pitzer
-------------

-----Original Message-----
From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@san.rr.com>
Sent: Mar 25, 2005 8:32 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Southern's 40' Low-Side Gondolas


What exactly did the Southern use these for? It's an
unusual design, and I can only guess that they had a
particular commodity in mind for these cars to haul.
Anybody know more about these gondolas? <<


Shawn
I have seen photos of them with loads of limestone and pig iron for the
Alabama iron industries, and with loads of sand somewhere in Georgia. In
all cases they look decidedly well used with the sides bowing out and full
of dents ? not surprising given the nature of the loads, but not always easy
to model convincingly. Interestingly the iron ore and coal arrived at the
furnaces in hoppers, but not the limestone so someone had the fun of
unloading this by hand.

Cars in pig iron service also lost a good deal of their paint fairly quickly
as the pigs were often still hot when they were loaded into the car - the
whole car was sprayed with water to cool the load (and the car) during the
loading process.

ACL had cars of similar capacity (modelled by F&C) which were used for the
same type of service. There are pictures of the Sloss Furnace in Birmingham
which show long lines of low side gons from various roads full of limestone
for the blast furnaces.

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Re: Erie 10 panel high side gons with drop doors

Charlie Vlk
 

You guys may be talking past each other.
Mantua had a high side gondola in their line long before they picked up the
Lindberg tooling. That may be the car in question.
I think it may have started out as a diecast metal car, then switched to
nylon in the fifties. The Tyco trainset car may be an entirely new
set of tooling and not related to the original Mantua car. The Lindberg car
was only offered as part of the "Heavies" series IIRC.
Charlie Vlk


Re: Accurail reefer kit bash

SHAY STARK
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:

Has anyone reworked the Accurail reefer?

Ed Mines
I am in the middle of a fairly extensive rework of two cars into ART
reefers. I have replaced the sides with .060 thick scribed siding,
stripped the details off the ends, sanded the roof down and added
new roof details, added an assortment of Grandt Line, Tichey, and
Branchline detail parts. The cars are looking fairly respectable for
stand-ins until something better arrives. It has been quite an
enjoyable project. It better be as approximately 1/3 of my reefer
fleet needs to be ART so I am planning on building several more.

Shay Stark


Re: Accurail reefer kit bash

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

The first issue of Ted's new modeling journal will have an article
about refining the Accurail reefer for BREX, CX & FWDX, including
backdating it with XLA roof and hatch platforms, changing the truck
spacing, etc.

A future article will have a kitbash to modify it to one of the 175
cars built by Florida East Coast that became part of the FGE fleet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:

Has anyone reworked the Accurail reefer?

Ed Mines


Re: FGEX 5165

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

I believe the upper deck came in segments which were removable. The loading
crew would remove all but the last segments closest to the ends of the car,
load both top and bottom, then mount the next segment and continue loading
to the center of the car. No stooping.

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: Gatwood, Elden [mailto:Elden.Gatwood@hdrinc.com]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:20 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] FGEX 5165


Richard;
I remember hearing some old Pennsy guys talking about special temporary
inserted decks that they used during tomato harvests. Seems they didn't
want tomato paste upon delivery? Could these be a similar arrangement?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson [mailto:rhendrickson@opendoor.com]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:09 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FGEX 5165



On Mar 24, 2005, at 5:50 PM, gary laakso wrote:

The First Quarter 2005 issue of The Milwaukee Railroader at page 12
has a
color picture of this car with 8 hinges on the door and lettering on
the
right of the door: DOUBLE DECK and under that the usual Ventilator and
Refrigerator. I have not seen a reefer labelled double deck. Does
anyone
know what commodities would have been hauled by it and anything about
the
number of these cars Fruit Growers had?

Would berries or eggs have been the usual load? That had to have been
backbreaking work to crawl with loads in that car.!!!
None of my ORERs from the mid '30s to the early '60s shows this car
number. Can you date the photo? It's presumably post-WW-II, probably
later, since it's in color.

Fruit Growers had a sizable number of double deck cars but all of those
I have seen in photos had FDEX reporting marks, not FGEX. In the STMFC
era, most of them were former Pennsy R-7 single sheathed cars rebuilt
with outside wood sheathing. I have no information about what kind of
traffic these double deck cars were intended to carry.

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Re: Accurail reefer kit bash

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

Into what?


regards,

Andy Miller

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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:24 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Accurail reefer kit bash



Has anyone reworked the Accurail reefer?

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Re: FGEX 5165

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Richard;
I remember hearing some old Pennsy guys talking about special temporary
inserted decks that they used during tomato harvests. Seems they didn't
want tomato paste upon delivery? Could these be a similar arrangement?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson [mailto:rhendrickson@opendoor.com]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:09 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FGEX 5165



On Mar 24, 2005, at 5:50 PM, gary laakso wrote:

The First Quarter 2005 issue of The Milwaukee Railroader at page 12
has a
color picture of this car with 8 hinges on the door and lettering on
the
right of the door: DOUBLE DECK and under that the usual Ventilator and
Refrigerator. I have not seen a reefer labelled double deck. Does
anyone
know what commodities would have been hauled by it and anything about
the
number of these cars Fruit Growers had?

Would berries or eggs have been the usual load? That had to have been
backbreaking work to crawl with loads in that car.!!!
None of my ORERs from the mid '30s to the early '60s shows this car
number. Can you date the photo? It's presumably post-WW-II, probably
later, since it's in color.

Fruit Growers had a sizable number of double deck cars but all of those
I have seen in photos had FDEX reporting marks, not FGEX. In the STMFC
era, most of them were former Pennsy R-7 single sheathed cars rebuilt
with outside wood sheathing. I have no information about what kind of
traffic these double deck cars were intended to carry.

Richard Hendrickson





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Re: FGEX 5165

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 24, 2005, at 5:50 PM, gary laakso wrote:

The First Quarter 2005 issue of The Milwaukee Railroader at page 12 has a
color picture of this car with 8 hinges on the door and lettering on the
right of the door: DOUBLE DECK and under that the usual Ventilator and
Refrigerator. I have not seen a reefer labelled double deck. Does anyone
know what commodities would have been hauled by it and anything about the
number of these cars Fruit Growers had?

Would berries or eggs have been the usual load? That had to have been
backbreaking work to crawl with loads in that car.!!!
None of my ORERs from the mid '30s to the early '60s shows this car number. Can you date the photo? It's presumably post-WW-II, probably later, since it's in color.

Fruit Growers had a sizable number of double deck cars but all of those I have seen in photos had FDEX reporting marks, not FGEX. In the STMFC era, most of them were former Pennsy R-7 single sheathed cars rebuilt with outside wood sheathing. I have no information about what kind of traffic these double deck cars were intended to carry.

Richard Hendrickson

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