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Re: easy kits versus difficult ones

DIllini1@...
 

My favorite aspect of model railroading is in the accomplishment of building
and the accompanying satisfaction of the construction. I would take one
easy or difficult kit to several assembled pieces that thousands of others have
clones of.


Re: Digest Number 2389

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 04/07/05 12:56:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:

I suspect that the so called "Golden Age for model railroaders "is over
and is now being replaced by the "Golden age for the distributor's".Our gold
in their pockets.Distributors do not produce or develop products.


That's pretty uncalled for. I've heard/read a whole lot of nasty messages
on this board about InterMountain and their way of doing business for YEARS.
Not just since Marty left. You can go back through the archives and read
them. We've (the ARM) had plenty of trouble with InterMountain's production
schedule with Marty at the helm, such as models being delivered six to nine
months after the promised date. I don't specifically fault Marty for that.

There's another project ongoing with the ARM and Missouri Pacific Historical
Society that is in it's third test shot. You'd have to see the mistakes to
really believe them. That started almost a year ago....so it hasn't been all
roses.

Let's give Matt a chance, not start slinging arrows before he gets a chance
to warm up his seat!

Jerry Michels


Re: Digest Number 2389

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 04/07/05 12:56:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:

For the rest of us, it's almost certain to be bad news. Intermountain
recently issued a press release announcing that Matt Gaudynski has been
appointed vice-president of engineering and research. They describe
him as being knowledgeable and highly qualified in prototype research,
but I'd be surprised if anyone on this list has ever heard of him, and
that's not a good sign.



I know Matt, been dealing with him on two projects for the ARM. He seems to
be knowledgeable, and he seems to know the business, but I guess we'll wait
to see.

Jerry Michels


Re: Intermountain shake-up?

armprem
 

Bill,My humble apologies.I never considered Branchline nor Bowser
distributors.Let us look at the hobby today;MDC gone,Athearn gone .While the
brand name still exists smaller hobby shops are finding it difficult to buy
in large enough quantities to satisfy the megadistributor's
minimums.Again,let me apologize .I feel that both Branchline and Bowser ,if

they are distributors,exceptions.Armand Premo---- Original Message -----
From: <branchline@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Intermountain shake-up?



I suspect that the so called "Golden Age for model railroaders "is
over
and is now being replaced by the "Golden age for the distributor's".Our
gold
in their pockets.Distributors do not produce or develop products.Armand
Premo
Beggin' to differ here Armand, but there are at least a few exceptions -
Walthers, Bowser and Branchline come to mind....

As far as where the gold goes, where do you think all the LHS's have been
buying most of their stuff all these years?

Bill Schneider







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Re: Intermountain shake-up?

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

In regard to what Dave has said about too many manufacturers and the
lack of customers is coming true, at least here in the Delaware Valley.
The number of Hobby Shops has dwindled to only about five or six (none
close together) and most are not what we knew as full service hobby
stores. Several of the remaining larger shops are large scale
(Lionel/MTH/K Line/etc.) and do not carry the smaller scales.

In addition, one of the larger shops, Mitchell's in Wilmington, De. has
now stopped carrying kits altogether. This was a decision that was made
in the last two months. They had a big 40% off sale and blew out almost
all of the kits on the shelves. They will only carry assembled models
from now on. For them, this was new, as they discontinued detail parts
and decals four or five years ago and in the last two years their policy
on new brass is that they will only order it if a buyer orders it and
places an deposit. They continue to buy and sell collections.

This seems to be a trend with a lot of the stores in this area as there
are not enough people who want kits because they no longer have the time
to build them. It seems that the more advanced we become, the less
time we have to devote to leisure. Americans work longer and have less
time off to to do other things outside of work than people in other
countries.

Fortunately, many of the new toys in our hobby that have come on the
market have been so well done, that there is little to do to improve
them. Either way, I sometimes wish that we had some of this stuff
twenty years ago.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu



Dave Nelson wrote:

armand premo wrote:


I suspect that the so called "Golden Age for model railroaders
"is over and is now being replaced by the "Golden age for the
distributor's".Our gold in their pockets.Distributors do not produce
or develop products.
Armand Premo

I think it's rather obvious that the market is mature and will not support
as many manufacturers as it has in the past, hence the consolidation.
Whether it's because there is a fixed number of consumers and too many
products or the right number of products and fewer consumers, well, I dunno.
But there isn't enough $$ in the market anymore to keep all boats afloat.
Now whatever profit that used to be split 2 ways now is kept entirely by
just one. We'll just have to see if that means more products or meerly
survival, at least for a while. My hunch is on the later.

What I'm most curious about tho is whether the move to RTR at premium prices
was cause or effect.

Dave Nelson






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Re: Intermountain shake-up?

fuchst900
 

I think it is good to let these manufactures know that we appreciate the "kits". I took a Bowser ACF covered hopper and applied all the extra detail and was very pleased with the way it came out. I told them so and told them the cost of the extra ( ladders, hoses braking etc). I dont want them to go the China route, but without feed back they may make decisions based on the dollar and the "way all others are going". Steve Fuchs

branchline@sbcglobal.net wrote:> I suspect that the so called "Golden Age for model railroaders "is
over
and is now being replaced by the "Golden age for the distributor's".Our
gold
in their pockets.Distributors do not produce or develop products.Armand
Premo
Beggin' to differ here Armand, but there are at least a few exceptions -
Walthers, Bowser and Branchline come to mind....

As far as where the gold goes, where do you think all the LHS's have been
buying most of their stuff all these years?

Bill Schneider





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CUSTOMER ALERT-ATSF Reefer Mixup

Andy Carlson
 

I have been notified that some Intermountain Santa Fe
Reefers had been wrongly packaged, getting another
reefer body (PFE?). Anyone who purchased Santa Fe
Intermountain Reefers, please check them. I will try
to correct the problem as quickly as I can. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Intermountain shake-up?

Greg Martin
 

Tom, Richard and all,

I have not had any direct conversation with Matt as of yet but a few brief exchanges in the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee in the past with Marty included regrding their F unit program. I have heard from some freinds in the Chicago area that Matt worked with or for Ron as Tom mentioned as well as has work for KATO in the past they used the words, "well respected". I believe that he is personally more focused on N Scale than HO but that shouldn't hinder our expectations. I look forward to working with him in the near future and believe it is a good move for him and a he will work with the us as he gets his feet on the ground. I am not sure that I would call the changes a "shake-up" just a change. I for the momment with arrest my spectualtion... There's much to do with IM and the PRRT&HS as far as the F unit program goes.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:32:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain shake-up?




On Apr 7, 2005, at 9:33 AM, pullmanboss wrote:

Matt [Gaudynski] used to work with/for Ron Sebastian and seems like a
good man
from the few contacts I've had with him. I doubt he has Marty's
energy, drive or contacts, but then few humans do.

Tom Madden
Tom, I'm relieved to learn that IM's new R&D guy has some background in
the hobby. IM has a number of freight car projects that are in process
or are/were in the planning stages which are of great interest to many
subscribers on this list, and it would be unfortunate if they failed to
materialize.

Richard Hendrickson





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Re: Intermountain shake-up?

George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
 

I have dealt with Matt in producing two prototype Steam Era special run N Scale freight cars. He is a knowledgeable person, I wouldn't worry on that aspect.

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com> wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 4:54 AM, Garth Groff wrote:

Friends,

I was sad to see Marty leave Intermountain, and hope that wherever he
goes, he rejoins our group. Does anyone know if he is moving out of
Colorado, and what he will be doing?

I picked up tidbits here the other day that Marty was not the only one
to leave Intermountain. Does anyone know what is happening there, and
how it is likely to affect us?
For Marty personally, this may be good news if it means that he'll
finally have time for his own modeling.

For the rest of us, it's almost certain to be bad news. Intermountain
recently issued a press release announcing that Matt Gaudynski has been
appointed vice-president of engineering and research. They describe
him as being knowledgeable and highly qualified in prototype research,
but I'd be surprised if anyone on this list has ever heard of him, and
that's not a good sign.

Richard Hendrickson





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Re: Intermountain's "Milk" Car - GPEX to CMWX....When?

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

The CMWX car in question is actually CMWX 1008, a "round-bottom" ex-milk
car.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni

From: Ian Cranstone <lamontc@nakina.net>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:49:13 -0400
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Intermountain's "Milk" Car - GPEX to CMWX....When?


On 7-Apr-05, at 1:05 PM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

Thanks to Brian Ehni's generosity in sharing photos, I was made
aware of just how long the prototype for Intermountain's latest
kit lasted in service - far longer than I would have expected
for a car of this vintage. A casual look through the April, 1959
ORER last night showed that the GPEX series was still very much
in existence. I couldn't find mention of the CMWX reporting marks,
which is confusing (or maybe I just missed it) because according
to the "Reporting Marks" web page, "CMWX" was in existence from
January 1941 to January 1975.
You must have just missed in Shawn ‹ I see an entry for the Commodities
Car Co., Inc. on page 649, with what I presume are the relevant cars
listed in various series from CMWX 106-153. It would seem that the
CMWX reporting mark was added sometime between 4/1938 and 1/1941 -- one
of these days I will work on entering data from an ORER between these
dates.


Re: Jack Delano Photo of WEOX-264 Two Compartment Tank Car - 1942

Ian Cranstone
 

On 7-Apr-05, at 1:07 AM, Thomas M. Olsen wrote:

Thank you for your assistance and answers regarding this car. Ian, your
"Reporting Marks" website is a tremendous asset and one can only imagine
the amount of time it took you to track the reporting marks down and
compose the site.

http://freightcars.nakina.net/report.html
I'm glad you found it useful Tom, that's what it's there for -- and I don't have to imagine the time it took to do it!

Actually, tracking the reporting marks down is easy -- every ORER has a listing in one form or another -- entering them into the computer is what takes all the time.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net


Re: Intermountain's "Milk" Car - GPEX to CMWX....When?

Ian Cranstone
 

On 7-Apr-05, at 1:05 PM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

Thanks to Brian Ehni's generosity in sharing photos, I was made
aware of just how long the prototype for Intermountain's latest
kit lasted in service - far longer than I would have expected
for a car of this vintage. A casual look through the April, 1959
ORER last night showed that the GPEX series was still very much
in existence. I couldn't find mention of the CMWX reporting marks,
which is confusing (or maybe I just missed it) because according
to the "Reporting Marks" web page, "CMWX" was in existence from
January 1941 to January 1975.
You must have just missed in Shawn — I see an entry for the Commodities
Car Co., Inc. on page 649, with what I presume are the relevant cars
listed in various series from CMWX 106-153. It would seem that the CMWX reporting mark was added sometime between 4/1938 and 1/1941 -- one
of these days I will work on entering data from an ORER between these
dates.

Another wierd thing - One would assume that CMWX belonged to the
Chateau Martin Winery, since photos show the cars with these marks
painted in the Chateau purple scheme with billboard lettering. It
didn't, though - it belonged to the Commodities Car Company. Quite
a coincidence, and a bit misleading.
Actually, what probably happened here is that Chateau Martin Winery
leased these cars from the Commodities Car Company from day one, and
the reporting marks were created for their exclusive use. This wasn't
uncommon in the industry, and continues today (DMLX is used only for
Dominion Milling Ltd. cars, and has always been listed by GE since the
reporting mark's inception in 2000).

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net


Re: Intermountain shake-up?

branchline@...
 

I suspect that the so called "Golden Age for model railroaders "is over
and is now being replaced by the "Golden age for the distributor's".Our gold
in their pockets.Distributors do not produce or develop products.Armand
Premo
Beggin' to differ here Armand, but there are at least a few exceptions -
Walthers, Bowser and Branchline come to mind....

As far as where the gold goes, where do you think all the LHS's have been
buying most of their stuff all these years?

Bill Schneider


Re: Intermountain's "Milk" Car - GPEX to CMWX....When?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Beckert, Shawn wrote:
Another wierd thing - One would assume that CMWX belonged to the
Chateau Martin Winery, since photos show the cars with these marks
painted in the Chateau purple scheme with billboard lettering. It
didn't, though - it belonged to the Commodities Car Company. Quite
a coincidence, and a bit misleading.
Why you think this is "weird" is unclear. It is certainly no coincidence that "CMW" are the initials of the winery, and quite possibly the small CMWX fleet was entirely dedicated to the winery's use. The car company being separate is a device used by many entities; it may well have been owned by the parent company of Chateau Martin, or may simply have been a lessor set up in order to get CMW's business.

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Re: Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers

charles slater
 

Sorry that was ment for Andy only and not the list.

From: "charles slater" <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:29:46 -0700

Andy, I received the 6 undec Intermountain reefers I ordered from you today.
There is a problem with two of them, they have the wrong car body in the
kits. The body's have a double row of rivets on the side seams, they have a
fan molded on the left end of each side and they only have a 4 foot door
with PFE style door hinges. I think they must be the bodies for their
R-40-10 model.
Maybe you better check the rest of the Santa Fe kits before you send them
out. Tell me what you want me to do with these two kits, I guess just ship
them back to you.
Let me know.
Charlie Slater



From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: Steam Era <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:27:39 -0800 (PST)

I have recently received a shipment of INTERMOUNTAIN
RAILWAY CO's often hard to find HO ATSF Santa Fe
Undecorated Reefer Kits (Rr 32 and others). For the
"roll your own" enthusiasts among us I am offering
these for sale.

I also have remaining Pacific Fruit Express R-30-16
undecorated Reefer Kits, the Terry Wegmann/Red Caboose
collaboration.

The price for these are:

IM RR CO ATSF Undec ...........$10.00 ea
Wegmann/RC R-30-16 ...........$22.00 ea.

Shipping is $3.85 for up to 2 kits, add another $1.00
each additional kit (beyond 2). If interested, please
contact me off-list at < midcentury@sbcglobal.net >


Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers

Andy Carlson
 

SEND THEM BACK. I hope that this is limited to just
these 2. I will ship the 2 replacements tomorrow.
Please send me your mailing address, for I did not
save it.
-Andy Carlson
111 S Encinal Ave
Ojai CA 93023
805 646 3334

--- charles slater <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com> wrote:


Andy, I received the 6 undec Intermountain reefers I
ordered from you today.
There is a problem with two of them, they have the
wrong car body in the
kits. The body's have a double row of rivets on the
side seams, they have a
fan molded on the left end of each side and they
only have a 4 foot door
with PFE style door hinges. I think they must be the
bodies for their
R-40-10 model.
Maybe you better check the rest of the Santa Fe kits
before you send them
out. Tell me what you want me to do with these two
kits, I guess just ship
them back to you.
Let me know.
Charlie Slater



From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: Steam Era <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated
Reefers
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:27:39 -0800 (PST)

I have recently received a shipment of
INTERMOUNTAIN
RAILWAY CO's often hard to find HO ATSF Santa Fe
Undecorated Reefer Kits (Rr 32 and others). For the
"roll your own" enthusiasts among us I am offering
these for sale.

I also have remaining Pacific Fruit Express R-30-16
undecorated Reefer Kits, the Terry Wegmann/Red
Caboose
collaboration.

The price for these are:

IM RR CO ATSF Undec ...........$10.00 ea
Wegmann/RC R-30-16 ...........$22.00 ea.

Shipping is $3.85 for up to 2 kits, add another
$1.00
each additional kit (beyond 2). If interested,
please
contact me off-list at < midcentury@sbcglobal.net



Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



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Re: Intermountain shake-up?

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

armand premo wrote:
I suspect that the so called "Golden Age for model railroaders
"is over and is now being replaced by the "Golden age for the
distributor's".Our gold in their pockets.Distributors do not produce
or develop products.
Armand Premo
I think it's rather obvious that the market is mature and will not support
as many manufacturers as it has in the past, hence the consolidation.
Whether it's because there is a fixed number of consumers and too many
products or the right number of products and fewer consumers, well, I dunno.
But there isn't enough $$ in the market anymore to keep all boats afloat.
Now whatever profit that used to be split 2 ways now is kept entirely by
just one. We'll just have to see if that means more products or meerly
survival, at least for a while. My hunch is on the later.

What I'm most curious about tho is whether the move to RTR at premium prices
was cause or effect.

Dave Nelson


Re: Intermountain shake-up?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 7, 2005, at 9:33 AM, pullmanboss wrote:

Matt [Gaudynski] used to work with/for Ron Sebastian and seems like a good man
from the few contacts I've had with him. I doubt he has Marty's
energy, drive or contacts, but then few humans do.

Tom Madden
Tom, I'm relieved to learn that IM's new R&D guy has some background in the hobby. IM has a number of freight car projects that are in process or are/were in the planning stages which are of great interest to many subscribers on this list, and it would be unfortunate if they failed to materialize.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers

charles slater
 

Andy, I received the 6 undec Intermountain reefers I ordered from you today. There is a problem with two of them, they have the wrong car body in the kits. The body's have a double row of rivets on the side seams, they have a fan molded on the left end of each side and they only have a 4 foot door with PFE style door hinges. I think they must be the bodies for their R-40-10 model.
Maybe you better check the rest of the Santa Fe kits before you send them out. Tell me what you want me to do with these two kits, I guess just ship them back to you.
Let me know.
Charlie Slater

From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: Steam Era <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe and PFE HO Undecorated Reefers
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:27:39 -0800 (PST)

I have recently received a shipment of INTERMOUNTAIN
RAILWAY CO's often hard to find HO ATSF Santa Fe
Undecorated Reefer Kits (Rr 32 and others). For the
"roll your own" enthusiasts among us I am offering
these for sale.

I also have remaining Pacific Fruit Express R-30-16
undecorated Reefer Kits, the Terry Wegmann/Red Caboose
collaboration.

The price for these are:

IM RR CO ATSF Undec ...........$10.00 ea
Wegmann/RC R-30-16 ...........$22.00 ea.

Shipping is $3.85 for up to 2 kits, add another $1.00
each additional kit (beyond 2). If interested, please
contact me off-list at < midcentury@sbcglobal.net >


Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Sergent Couplers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

John Degnan wrote:
I wasn't referring to the horn hook couplers as being the hill-climber that became a standard, I was referring to the Kadee couplers becoming a standard over the horn-hook.
Exactly my point, John. Horn-hooks were never standard.

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2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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