A PM modeling friend Randy Anderson has recently come up with
information that will allow him to model a month on the Huntington &
Broadtop. He would like to find an October, 1941 Official Railway
Equipment Register and would like to offer in trade either of the
following:

the April 1940 ORER
or
the October 1942 ORER

If you are interested, please contact me offline at bwelch@...

Bill Welch

On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Phil Buchwald wrote:

Ok.....
Not counting MOW equipment, does anyone know of any early-mid
1950s general service box cars which were actually painted gray? No,
not kidding here... I keep seeing the photos of the models in primer
in Essential Freight Cars, and have grown kind of partial to
that "paint scheme"! (That was the root of my question from a few
months ago about that light colored box car in Mr. Hom's RPCyc X29
article!) I actually picked up a gray Walthers Pullman "waffle side"
box car, but that doesn't count here. :)

Phil, you have to be very careful about interpreting photographic evidence in this regard. Several car builders at various times (including, but not limited to, Pullman-Standard, Pressed Steel, and the Madison plant of AC&F) painted portrait cars flat light gray with black stenciling so that all the construction details, including underframes and trucks, would be more easily visible. Thus there are numerous builder's photos, including some in the Car Builders' Cyclopedias, of cars painted gray which were never delivered in that form. After the car builder's photographer took all the portrait shots, the gray paint (which was apparently water-based) was washed off and the car was delivered in whatever P/L scheme the railroad specified, usually either mineral brown or black with white stenciling.

BTW, Erie-Lackawanna repainted a whole lot of box cars gray with maroon stenciling in the early '60s, but that's out of era for the STMFC list.

Richard Hendrickson

Looking at LifeLike's website, there is no longer a listing for Proto 2000 as
a separate entity other than archived cars, and the locomotives. There is
one car listed under new releases. Anyone know what this bodes? Are they
cutting back or eliminating the line? Or am I making too much out of this?

Jerry Michels

Hi Phil,

The Detroit & Mackinac received 300 boxcars built to the 1937 AAR
design that were painted gray with black lettering. Built by General
American in 1947, the cars were numbered 2800-3099. There is a color
photo of 2913 on the Steam Era Freight Cars website:

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/dm2913main.html

There are two black and white photos of 2871 and 2926 on Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dm/dm2871w.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dm/dm2926r.jpg

At some point they were repainted boxcar red with large, white
billboard lettering, but I don't believe that was until the mid to
late 1960s.

Mark Heiden

Bill Williams wrote "I questioned IM a while ago about their choice of
heralds on the GN cars. They weren't aware of the GN historical group to ask
for advice."

I was dismayed to read this. The GNRHS is in every directory of railway
historical societies, has its own website http://gnrhs.org, its quarterly
publication Great Northern Goat, over 300 Reference Sheets with many
covering freight cars (http://www.gnrhs.org/list_ref_sheets.htm), and
assists manufacturers constantly with historical research and color chips.
GNRHS member and freight car guru Staffan Ehnbom lobbied IM just last year
(unsuccessfully) to produce a GN plywood boxcar model to followup their
successful 12-panel series.

I'm glad to put Intermountain or any other interested manufacturer in touch
with GNRHS members like Mr. Ehnbom, Scott Thompson (author of the Four Ways
West GN freight car books), modeling editor Duane Buck or other
knowledgeable GN modelers. Many already subscribe to this list.

If Intermountain had trouble at our end with finding the right person,
responsiveness, etc., I'd like to know that too so it can be fixed.

-- Bill Sornsin, Seattle (GNRHS board of directors)



From: "Clyde Williams" <billdgoat@...>
Subject: Re: Intermountain Drop Bottom Gons


--- In STMFC@..., "cgengr" <th498@a...> wrote:

Hello, list. Intermountain makes some sexy HO scale assemble
composite side drop bottom gondolas. Any suggestions on how best to
remove the some of the lettering (reporting marks) and heralds on an
assembled model? Thanks, Tom Holley

Tom, you only asked about removing lettering, not disassembling these
cars, so here is what i did.
I questioned IM a while ago about their choice of heralds on the GN
cars. They weren't aware of the GN historical group to ask for advice.
They sent me a small bottle of paint to match the cars. So I just
carefully painted over the too modern heralds and applied era proper
(for me) ones and the cars came out fine.
Since then I have had good luck with ELO (Easy Lift Off) from Polly S.
Bill Williams

See,

There's one more of those uncommon Rib-sided box cars again! ;>

Phil buchwald

Ok.....
Not counting MOW equipment, does anyone know of any early-mid
1950s general service box cars which were actually painted gray? No,
not kidding here... I keep seeing the photos of the models in primer
in Essential Freight Cars, and have grown kind of partial to
that "paint scheme"! (That was the root of my question from a few
months ago about that light colored box car in Mr. Hom's RPCyc X29
article!) I actually picked up a gray Walthers Pullman "waffle side"
box car, but that doesn't count here. :)

Best regards,
Phil buchwald

--- In STMFC@..., Larry Grubb <larry450sl@y...> wrote:

Mike,
And Undec 21033 is Post-war gray in the stealth scheme. Hope this

helps.

Larry Grubb

I noticed that the PS-2CDs above the boxcars show a Rock Island car
regardless of the road name being offered. The ATSF car shows what the
car looks like, not what the lettering looks like. I don't know why.

Doug Brown

Greetings,

Any calculator can be used for the conversion. Most calculators
now have a memory function. Enter (12 x 25.4) / 3.5 and store
the result in the memory. This value,
87.0857142857142857142857142857143, is the true divisor for for
the conversion. The inverse,
0.0114829396325459317585301837270341, can be used as a
multiplier, though it is most useful when the measurement is in
inches.

Michael


Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

I created a folder and uploaded some photos of the new vent car model to STMFCPH. Todd Horton

Mike,
42120 and 42075 are the road numbers of the kits, the item numbers are 30357 and 30358. The paint scheme is the same as the built-ups 30377, 78, 79. They have dreadnaught ends, not end doors. And Undec 21033 is Post-war gray in the stealth scheme. Hope this helps.
Larry Grubb

mike turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...> wrote:
While crusing the LL site for old part numbers for SOU stuff, I came
across a couple of SOU 50' boxes for sale.

http://www.lifelikeproducts.com/store/protospecial.htm

At the bottom of this page are listed a couple of box cars for SOU. The
pictures are ATSF. I can't find part numbers 42120 and 42075 anywhere else.

Anyone know what's with this?

Attached are my notes about LL 50' double door boxes cut, pasted, and
slightly editted from LL's archived cars pages.

TIA.

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC

30377 Southern Railway #42084 Large Gothic "Southern"
30378 Southern Railway #42177
30379 Southern Railway #42254

Twin Pack
30359 Southern Railway #42236 & #42150

21027 Southern #40249 Brown
21028 Southern #40200

21033 Undecorated Brown

FOUR PACKS
21029 Southern #40213, 40227, 40231, 402044 Brown

42xxx dreadnaught ends
40xxx end doors


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Check
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/buchwald/slsf160295.htm
l for a model based on this kit.

Jerry Glow

All:

The discussion of the following car as a USRA car/USRA clone:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ble/ble34894awb.jpg

Has one fatal error. A check of the series in the October 1970 ORER (I
assume valid for the class per the 5-70 reweigh date at "GS", a B&LE scale)
shows 40' IL for this B&LE series. I did not think this at first, but it
looks a little short in the online photo, but as I had to pan on my monitor,
I did not notice this until I shrunk it. Not a 46' IL car.....

Now, as for Messrs. Hendrickson and Carlson, discussion on the NSS cars:
NSS did build some of their own cars. Brian, if the photos are a close
match....but you do not list a builder?

As per Richard's thoughts on the Andrews trucks and a 1920s build date...
For grins: I did compare the B&LE photo to some 40' IL gons built for the
L&N (some went to the Tennessee Central also, we NEED photos of those cars
if anyone has them) built in the 1920s and 1930 by Pressed Steel Car, not
even close to the photos of the L&N car in any way.

Could the Andrews trucks be a later addition to increase capacity?

Also, the tab above the trucks looks familiar. Looks the same as those on
the Union RR and LT gons:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-l/lt2197ajs.jpg

And if memory serves, these cars were built by Standard Steel Car Company?
Is this tab a spotting feature of their cars, or is this some USS road
mandated part?

Cordially-

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN




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I was just able to access it just fine; 9:06PM

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Ben,
Thanks once again for your kind help! I wonder if you could help
further with dimensions for a straight center sill using styrene
strip, if one wanted to do such cars as per Dennis' recomendation?
I wonder if such cars would be similar to cars by CB&Q, Frisco etc?
thanks again
Stefan



.--- In STMFC@..., "Benjamin Hom" <b.hom@w...> wrote:

Stefan Lerché asked:
"Could someone direct me to a review of this car and/or its prototype?"

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/accurail/accu7000.ht

ml


Ben Hom

Oh shoot! I was hoping it was off-line while being updated!
Scott Pitzer (never satisfied)
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On Apr 13, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Rob Adams wrote:

Ditto. It clearly is not available at the www.steamfreightcars.com
URL. Hopefully, it is just a temporary disruption. Ted, talk to us...

No clue, but I am looking into it. Peculiar....

Regards,
Ted Culotta

On Apr 13, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Rob Adams wrote:

Ditto. It clearly is not available at the www.steamfreightcars.com
URL. Hopefully, it is just a temporary disruption. Ted, talk to us...


Mark Heiden wrote:

Hello everyone,

Has anyone else had problems accessing the Steam Era Freight Cars
website? I keep arriving at a screen stating "there is no website
configured at that address".

No clue, but I am looking into it. Peculiar....

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

While crusing the LL site for old part numbers for SOU stuff, I came across a couple of SOU 50' boxes for sale.

http://www.lifelikeproducts.com/store/protospecial.htm

At the bottom of this page are listed a couple of box cars for SOU. The pictures are ATSF. I can't find part numbers 42120 and 42075 anywhere else.

Anyone know what's with this?

Attached are my notes about LL 50' double door boxes cut, pasted, and slightly editted from LL's archived cars pages.

TIA.

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC

30377 Southern Railway #42084 Large Gothic "Southern"
30378 Southern Railway #42177
30379 Southern Railway #42254

Twin Pack
30359 Southern Railway #42236 & #42150

21027 Southern #40249 Brown
21028 Southern #40200

21033 Undecorated Brown

FOUR PACKS
21029 Southern #40213, 40227, 40231, 402044 Brown

42xxx dreadnaught ends
40xxx end doors

Ditto. It clearly is not available at the www.steamfreightcars.com URL. Hopefully, it is just a temporary disruption. Ted, talk to us...


Mark Heiden wrote:

--

Rob Adams
steamera@...
Modeling Keokuk, IA and the CB&Q's K&W branch, circa 1938
http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com

Hello everyone,

Has anyone else had problems accessing the Steam Era Freight Cars
website? I keep arriving at a screen stating "there is no website
configured at that address".

Thanks,
Mark Heiden