the UP had this 1932 AAR car built to evaluate in 1936. they had only
this car and went to a taller IH car for production. as built, it
appears that the car did not have any slogans, but later on they were
applied. the question is, was the lettering on the as-built car white?
when the slogans were added, was the lettering and slogans white or
yellow? or both? i have access to good B&W photos of this car but
can't tell color of the lettering. any accurate info is appreciated.

thanks
woody grosdoff

On Apr 18, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

Did the Birmingham Southern own any 40' steel boxcars other
than the PS-1's built in 1952? I've gone through the rosters
at Ted's web site and there's not one BS car listed on the
1932, 1937 or postwar lists. Do I deduce that the entire fleet
was wood until the coming of the PS-1's?

No, the BS acquired 100 steel box cars of 1937 AAR specifications in 1937 numbered 300-399. Built by the Pullman-Standard plant at Bessemer, Alabama, they had X29-style flat riveted roofs and ends and Pullman-design doors with internal framing, 7 flat welded panels, and the second panel from the bottom inset to increase clearance for the door latch and grab handle (these doors were replaced in the '50s with Superior 7-panel doors). No easy way to model these puppies!

Ed,

Weren't the PS-1 underframes in different designs as well? I am not 100% sure, but I think there were different types tested on WP's two 6' door cars, 1961-1962. In a photo I once saw, it appeared the underframe extended further out on one car.

Maybe one of the resin mavens could cast us up a kit for the most common type, similar to Martin's Duryea kit. It might not match all the prototypes, but would be a start.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Ed Hawkins wrote:

List,

Did the Birmingham Southern own any 40' steel boxcars other
than the PS-1's built in 1952? I've gone through the rosters
at Ted's web site and there's not one BS car listed on the
1932, 1937 or postwar lists. Do I deduce that the entire fleet
was wood until the coming of the PS-1's?

Shawn Beckert

On Monday, April 18, 2005, at 07:34 AM, centga@... wrote:

Ed, any chance we will see these underframes from Kadee one day? Todd
Horton

Todd,
I guess there's always a chance, but the cushion underframes were used
on just 100 cars built in small quantities (25 being the most) for
eight different railroads. Two of these are cars that look virtually
identical to other PS-1s that Kadee has offered with normal PS-1
underframes (Erie and N&W).

Both Kadee and InterMountain offer PS-1 models that could be used for
these P-S lot 8160 series of cars. It would be up to these companies to
make the decision whether it's worth the sales potential to spend money
developing the tooling for the cushion underframe. Perhaps Sam Clarke
and Matt Gaudynski might reply with their thoughts on this.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Bill,
I wouldn't despair. For some reason I run into problems accessing
various sites from time to time. Today for example I couldn't get at
some of the pages in my website, but could get into others. It seems
that there are tons of little internet gremlins out there.
Pierre Oliver

Hello Todd and Ed,

It certainly is an issue with tooling cost being justified by potential
sales and the actual production quantity of cars. In this case I don't
believe we'd be interested, not only because of the cushioned underframe but
the other features like the side sills, etc.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

I just got to it with no problems:

http://www.intermountain-railway.com/

Paul Gehrett


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Clyde Williams wrote:
"I have been unable to get the IM website since last week. I can get
Red Caboose, Bowser, etc. just not IM so I THINK that it is not the
fault of my computer.
Has anybody else had trouble getting their site. The message doesn't
indicate that it is being upgraded or anything like thet, just that it
is 'unavailable.'"

I just got onto it without any problems.
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/


Ben Hom

I have been unable to get the IM website since last week. I can get
Red Caboose, Bowser, etc. just not IM so I THINK that it is not the
fault of my computer.
Has anybody else had trouble getting their site. The message doesn't
indicate that it is being upgraded or anything like thet, just that it
is "unavailable."
Bill Williams

Ed, any chance we will see these underframes from Kadee one day? Todd Horton

Scott - Yes, I do. It's one of my favorites. I'll make a copy for you. Send me your current postal address. - Al

To the list, I apologize for the bandwidth;

I would like to take a moment of the groups time to thank Todd Horton
and the others who responded to my post re: the C of G Ventilated Boxcar
model. This is indeed an exciting new development in producing master
models, that I have been waiting for. I have worked with SLA technology
for 10 years and am pleased that I can now see the benefits of it put to
use for my hobby as well as my profession. I look forward to these kits.

Thanks again to all;

Best regards;

Jim Harr

On Sunday, April 17, 2005, at 08:16 PM, Bill McCoy wrote:

Does anyone know who makes a 7' X 10'6" Youngstown or Superior door for
a NYC "Pacemaker" PS-1 project?

Bill,
Actually, the NYC PS-1s in Pacemaker scheme had 8' door openings.
Kadee's 6-panel Superior door is accurate for these cars. The Kadee
underframes are not accurate as the prototype cars had Pullman-Standard
cushion underframes. Refer to January 2002 Mainline Modeler for an
article on Lot 8160 cars with cushioned U/F.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Does anyone know who makes a 7' X 10'6" Youngstown or Superior door for
a NYC "Pacemaker" PS-1 project?

Bill McCoy
Jax

Bob Webber wrote:

While clearly in the diesel era, there are steam era cars herein -
note the tank cars on the 4th photo.
http://www.tbedwell.com/oldtrain/old001.html
Also, the house cars, on the 12th, 15th, 16th, 24th, and 59th, &
gons on the 51st slide.

A lot of interesting shots. Most are from Chicago.

Dave Nelson

While clearly in the diesel era, there are steam era cars herein - note the tank cars on the 4th photo.
http://www.tbedwell.com/oldtrain/old001.html
Also, the house cars, on the 12th, 15th, 16th, 24th, and 59th, & gons on the 51st slide.


Bob Webber

On 4/15/2005, Ted Culotta wrote:

... I think someone misinterpreted Frank's
comments. What he said to me, via email, after I suggested that he do
another version that would be a "drop in" for the current Protomate
draft gear, was the following:

"I'm sitting on a design that will fit the Accurail box right now. It
was a bit of a toss up as to what shank to initially introduce the
coupler with. I couldn't do both -- too many $$$ for tooling. I did
ensure that only one casting would have to change to allow the more
narrow shank. I guessed that the "compatible" shank would generate more
sales dollars initially to fund the narrow shank and other variations
on the design. Time will tell whether or not that was the right move."

FWIW, I agree with his approach, while lamenting it at the same time.

Ted,

I, too, lament Frank's approach. I wrote him a year or so ago and told him
that if I could get his couplers to work in the pilot coupler box on my
brass steam locomotives, that I would start the switch process to his
couplers. I guess he hasn't changed his mind about getting the coupler to
be more prototypical that just a nice knuckle.

Cheers,
Kert Peterson
Fircrest, WA

Bon Vivant, Raconteur and Occasional Microferroequinologist

On Apr 15, 2005, at 8:57 PM, Paul Lyons <cobrapsl@...> wrote:

In a message dated 4/14/2005 11:07:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bwelch@... writes:
those of us modeling the post WWII era will not want it unless
we are willing to overlook the fact that these cars were rebuilt by
this time with a Hutchins roof.
Hi Bill, Since I started the post, I obviously have one of these kits AND now
need to make it post WW II. Sawing the roof off is not the end of the world
if I know from what kit/model to scavenger the correct roof. As usual your
help, or any other help is appreicated.

Paul and others, postwar photos show the cars to have been retrofitted with Hutchins Dry Lading roofs. The most obvious source for a Hutchins roof is an Accurail single-sheathed box car, though some modification of length/width might be required to get a correct fit.

Richard Hendrickson

--- In STMFC@..., "Justin Kahn" <harumd@h...> wrote:
I had been thinking it was about time for another issue of RPC

Isn't it about time for Ted's new magazine, ugh, book?


Ed