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Online list of Sunshine kits

billsoman
 

In the constructive spirit our moderator requests, you'll find an unofficial
but reasonably current Excel listing of Sunshine kits and pricing on the
group website at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/. It's old news for
some, but newer members may not have seen it. Click Files and scroll about
2/3 of the way down. No photos, but quite thorough.

I used it for a recent order which worked out great.

-- Bill in Seattle


P.s. Many Yahoo groups have invaluable information posted on their
corresponding websites. Spend some time trolling there, especially when you
first join; don't limit yourself to just the emails.


Re: Ebay Auction Rohm & Haas Decal-What time period is this?

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

The photo was taken in July 1957. A copy of the same photo which I
received from Joe Henry just recently appeared in the Phila Chapter
magazine "The High Line." When I wrote the note, I accidentally picked
up the date (8-58) from the end of the caption on the photo.

Actually the date given in the caption of the 6738 being dropped from
the roster is incorrect! The correct whiteline date was 11-19-58 and
the locomotive was sold for scrap on 9-3-59. Sorry for the mix-up!

The Penn had prepared to fire up a number of steam locomotives in early
Spring 1958 for yard use, but the United States Steel strike that year
scotched the whole works, so that the last revenue use of steam was in
November 1957.

In regard to the Rohm & Haas use of tank cars, I thank all who responded
to my questions.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Tom or Gail Madden wrote:

On Apr 20, 2005, at 10:21 PM, Tom Olsen wrote:

....it seems that the company had leased cars from SHPX as I have


a slide taken at Lewistown Pa on 4-30-58 by Joe Henry Kline (a PRRT&HS
member) of an 8K tank car numbered SHPX-18373 tucked in behind a PRR
M-1a 4-8-2 & an GP-9 on an eastbound arriving to work.

Forgive my ignorance here, not being a Pennsy expert and all, but steam was
still operating on the Middle Division in the Spring of '58??

Tom Madden





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P2K Box Car Models for Sale

Paul LaCiura <paul.jeseng@...>
 

HO Lifelike Proto 2000 Box Car Models for Sale. All new in original boxes.
Hornhook couplers only. Numbers shown are road numbers.



3 - Assembled Models



50’ Auto Box Car with End Doors

GTW #591527

CB&Q #48539

ERIE #65073



6 - Kits



50’ Auto Box Car with End Doors

LV #8505

CB&Q #48500

SOU #40249

GTW #591543

ERIE #65093



50’ Auto Box Car with Dreadnaught Ends

NKP #87143



Best offer at or over $75 takes the lot. Sold only as a lot. Postpaid via
USPS Ground to continental US addresses only-any other special postage
arrangements at buyer’s request/expense.



Please contact me offlist at HYPERLINK
"mailto:paul.jeseng@..."paul.jeseng@... for information
and to bid.



I will post best offer offlist next Monday morning to those interested and
to give one more opportunity to bid. I will be away from this email address
from 430 pm today to 8am next Monday morning. I will answer questions next
Monday morning, or this afternoon if possible. Would like to have a buyer
established next Tuesday afternoon.



Thanks for your interest.



Paul



Paul LaCiura

San Francisco, CA




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Re: Essential freight cars in RMC

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

The estimable. Dr. Smith writes-

No, no, we can't be at the end of the series! Ted hasn't done Helium
tank cars yet!
Bruce, I am sure that you overlooked the truly ubiquitous poultry car.

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Carriage bolt heads

centga@...
 

I think what your referring to is a "plow bolt" Todd Horton

-----Original Message-----
From: David Soderblom <drs@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:04:12 -0400
Subject: [STMFC] Carriage bolt heads



There are also "carriage" bolts with conical heads specifically for
flat car decks, and I have seen such on an EJ&E 70-ton flat. These
allowed for a fully flush surface.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD

On 2005 Apr 22, , at 04:14, STMFC@... wrote:

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:53:50 -0500
From: "Tom Jones III" <tomtherailnut@...>
Subject: Re: DRGW 6500 series flat

"Carriage bolts" is the correct term for bolts that have a rounded
head with
a small square boss below the head at the top of the bolt
shaft/threads. The
top of the bolt indeed looks like a rivet driven through the wood.
Carriage
bolts are very commonly used to bolt down wood to metal structures,
much
more so than standard hex head or square head bolts. This is because
the
bolts do not prove to be a snag to loads, and because only one person
is
needed to install them, as the square boss below the bolt head catches
in
the wood and keeps the bolt from spinning while tightening. Rivets
would
almost never be used to hold wood to a structure, as wood simply cannot
stand the riveting process without splitting, and once driven, a rivet
is
not replaceable, but wood does wear out rapidly.

Carriage bolts were originally used for bolting together the frames and
structures on carriages, hence their name. They are very nice looking
when
installed on an exposed surface, such as one might find on a wagon,
etc.
They would be only slightly exposed on a flat car deck, and because
loads
would tend to wear them on the tops, rust and other weathering would be
common after only a few uses of the car.

Tom Jones III
David Soderblom
Operations and Data Management Division
Space Telescope Science Institute





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Re: Branchline kits (was Sunshine and the Internet)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Doug Brown wrote:
"[Branchline] also make[s] the Yardmaster series with cast on ladders
and grabs on one piece bodies."

Not quite. The basic design of the Yardmaster boxcars are the same as
the Blueprint series, with a central core of sides and floor with
separate ends, roof, and underframe.


Ben Hom


Branchline kits (was Sunshine and the Internet)

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

Bob and anyone else interested,

There are three flavors of Branchline. Originally they decorated and
sold kits from several manufacturers. These kits were of simple
(Athearn) to moderately complex (adding ladders and such) from E&C
Shops.
When they started manufacturing their own kits, the Blueprint series,
they went all out. Separate ends (4/4, r3/4 early, r3/4 late, Dartnaught
and Despatch [NYC]) and roofs (rectangular panel, diagonal panel,
overhanging diagonal panel and Despatch) are supplied. Undecorated kits
have all roofs and ends so you can build what you wanted. Decorated kits
have the roof and ends of the prototype. Bodies are available with
straight, tapered and tabbed side sills. Each sill type undecorated kits
and decorated kits with the prototype sills. They are very well
researched with input from some on this list, with credits on the
instruction sheets. They are not hard to build, but they take time and
care. The brake systems are nearly complete and require care removing
the remains of the "sprues" them and from ladders, grabs, etc. I bought
some on ebay; the seller had built one (quite well in fact) but it was
too much for him.
They also make the Yardmaster series with cast on ladders and grabs on
one piece bodies. These are of easier construction as a result.
If you have the tools needed and have patience, I highly recommend the
Blueprint kits. The Yardmaster kits are also good, just a lower level of
detail construction.

Doug Brown

PS AND they still sell KITS!!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Robert Welsh
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:48 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine and the Internet

<snip>
What does everyone here think of the Branchline kits?
I am by no means an accomplished kit assembler,
although I try. Are these kits nice enough to look at
while easy enough to assemble?
Also, a little off-topic but I have an older MDC
Roundhouse 2-8-0 kit that belonged to my dad. I want
to assemble it but the instructions are gone. Anyone
have a source for those?
Thanks

Bob Welsh
<snip>


Re: AAR Stencilling Standards - Why the lines?

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 4/22/05 6:56:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
deanpayne@... writes:

<< I haven't yet figured out the purpose of lines above the reporting
marks and below the car number. The standard placement of reporting
marks makes sense, but I can't figure out why the lines would be there,
from a practical point of view. >>

Dean,

Both the ARA's Transportation and Mechanical Committee reports from the 1920s
discuss the implementation of the lines (above) the reporting marks and
(below) car numbers as a method of distinguishing the reporting marks and car
numbers from other data on the side of the car. A simple fix to enable carmen,
clerks, etc., to locate the "enclosed" info more easily.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Earthquake Faults, Nevada


Re: Essential Freight Cars Series

Tom or Gail Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

I understand Martin Lofton is considering putting the articles on his web site..... :-) :-)

Ted maybe you could answer this, but In the past RMC (and other pub's) have taken especially popular series of articles and complied them into a book.

Will your, or rather do you think your series on Essential Freight Cars be compiled into a book?

Tom "troublemaker" Madden


Re: Essential Freight Cars Series

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

YES!
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni

From: Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:48:50 -0700
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Essential Freight Cars Series



On Apr 22, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Paul Catapano wrote:


Ted maybe you could answer this, but In the past RMC (and other pub's)
have taken especially popular series of articles and complied them
into a book.

Will your, or rather do you think your series on Essential Freight
Cars be compiled into a book?
Bill Schaumburg and I have discussed doing this and the answer is yes,
although no details or specifics have been worked out, including
timing.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Essential Freight Cars Series

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Apr 22, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Paul Catapano wrote:


Ted maybe you could answer this, but In the past RMC (and other pub's) have taken especially popular series of articles and complied them into a book.

Will your, or rather do you think your series on Essential Freight Cars be compiled into a book?
Bill Schaumburg and I have discussed doing this and the answer is yes, although no details or specifics have been worked out, including timing.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Essential Freight Cars Series

Paul Catapano
 

Ted maybe you could answer this, but In the past RMC (and other pub's) have taken especially popular series of articles and complied them into a book.

Will your, or rather do you think your series on Essential Freight Cars be compiled into a book?

Paul Catapano


Re: Carriage bolt heads

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

The flat head style carriage bolts are generally known as elevator
bolts. Some of these have the square shank like a carriage bolt but
other have an all round shank with a slot in the top to hold it with
a screwdriver as it is tightened. Northern Pacific war emergency
boxcar NP 28129 has these slotted style to hold down the running
boards. I know as I'm currently removing nearly 100 of them so the
wood running boards can be replaced.

Richard

--- In STMFC@..., David Soderblom <drs@s...> wrote:
There are also "carriage" bolts with conical heads specifically for
flat car decks, and I have seen such on an EJ&E 70-ton flat. These
allowed for a fully flush surface.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD

On 2005 Apr 22, , at 04:14, STMFC@... wrote:

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:53:50 -0500
From: "Tom Jones III" <tomtherailnut@c...>
Subject: Re: DRGW 6500 series flat

"Carriage bolts" is the correct term for bolts that have a
rounded
head with
a small square boss below the head at the top of the bolt
shaft/threads. The
top of the bolt indeed looks like a rivet driven through the
wood.
Carriage
bolts are very commonly used to bolt down wood to metal
structures,
much
more so than standard hex head or square head bolts. This is
because
the
bolts do not prove to be a snag to loads, and because only one
person
is
needed to install them, as the square boss below the bolt head
catches
in
the wood and keeps the bolt from spinning while tightening.
Rivets
would
almost never be used to hold wood to a structure, as wood simply
cannot
stand the riveting process without splitting, and once driven, a
rivet
is
not replaceable, but wood does wear out rapidly.

Carriage bolts were originally used for bolting together the
frames and
structures on carriages, hence their name. They are very nice
looking
when
installed on an exposed surface, such as one might find on a
wagon,
etc.
They would be only slightly exposed on a flat car deck, and
because
loads
would tend to wear them on the tops, rust and other weathering
would be
common after only a few uses of the car.

Tom Jones III
David Soderblom
Operations and Data Management Division
Space Telescope Science Institute


Re: Essential freight cars in RMC

Clyde Williams <billdgoat@...>
 

Is this a new poll? If so, how about a decent styrene 36' stock car,
open or solid ended, both would be better. As in other cars, the MDC
just doesn't cut it.
Bill Williams


Re: ADMIN: STMFC Rules

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Darn, you cut it off just before I was going to comment. Well, I'll do it
anyway.
Just because Martin chooses not to use email for business purposes doesn't
mean he's ignorant or afraid of email. With two college age kids, there must
be a fair amount of computer knowledge and an email enabled computer in his
home.
With a 6 month order backlog, he's pedaling as fast as he can without taking
time out to do email.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: Essential freight cars in RMC

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Apr 22, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Dean Payne wrote:

First off, cudos to Ted for this series and for his modeling
abilities! 
<snip>
I was worried when I saw the carbon black and
vinegar cars that we were at the end of the series! 
No, no, we can't be at the end of the series! Ted hasn't done Helium
tank cars yet!

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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Rapid Protyping and advanced mold making

Andy Carlson
 

I have a first hand report on a roundhouse brick wall
in HO produced in injection molded styrene. The bricks
were reported to be the finest Terry Wegmann has seen
in plastic. The walls were CAD 'ed by the increasingly
productive Jim Booth, and the mold maker cut the
tooling with a focused laser cutter into the metal
mold.

Terry has been working with a Laser Tooling maker for
2 years to make molds for producing styrene SP
Overnight doors (and 2 other improved Youngstown 10-0
6' doors), the mold maker patiently waiting for the
CAD data to proceed.

I saw at Terry's work a large scale switch stand which
went from CAD to SL to wax to investment part. No hand
prototyping. Real Cool!

I don't see much time passing before complete laser
cut injection molded freight car kits (& RTR) becoming
available. The implications can be enormous- imagine
freight car kit construction returning to our shores!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Essential freight cars in RMC

Shawn Beckert
 

Garth Groff wrote:

If you are asking for votes on needed cars, I would love to have a
10,000 gallon single-dome AC&F Type 4 tank car, the one with the high
walkway (6,000 and 8,000 gallon sizes would be nice too).
Well, gee - if we're going to get another poll going, let me suggest a
GATC 8,000 or 10,000 tank car. I could use both in large quantities. Also
a tank car (any builder, I don't care which) with a LARGE dome.

Please, somebody...

Shawn Beckert


Carriage bolt heads

David Soderblom
 

There are also "carriage" bolts with conical heads specifically for flat car decks, and I have seen such on an EJ&E 70-ton flat. These allowed for a fully flush surface.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD

On 2005 Apr 22, , at 04:14, STMFC@... wrote:

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:53:50 -0500
From: "Tom Jones III" <tomtherailnut@...>
Subject: Re: DRGW 6500 series flat

"Carriage bolts" is the correct term for bolts that have a rounded head with
a small square boss below the head at the top of the bolt shaft/threads. The
top of the bolt indeed looks like a rivet driven through the wood. Carriage
bolts are very commonly used to bolt down wood to metal structures, much
more so than standard hex head or square head bolts. This is because the
bolts do not prove to be a snag to loads, and because only one person is
needed to install them, as the square boss below the bolt head catches in
the wood and keeps the bolt from spinning while tightening. Rivets would
almost never be used to hold wood to a structure, as wood simply cannot
stand the riveting process without splitting, and once driven, a rivet is
not replaceable, but wood does wear out rapidly.

Carriage bolts were originally used for bolting together the frames and
structures on carriages, hence their name. They are very nice looking when
installed on an exposed surface, such as one might find on a wagon, etc.
They would be only slightly exposed on a flat car deck, and because loads
would tend to wear them on the tops, rust and other weathering would be
common after only a few uses of the car.

Tom Jones III
David Soderblom
Operations and Data Management Division
Space Telescope Science Institute


Re: Essential freight cars in RMC

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dean:

If you are asking for votes on needed cars, I would love to have a 10,000 gallon single-dome AC&F Type 4 tank car, the one with the high walkway (6,000 and 8,000 gallon sizes would be nice too). I wouldn't want to try this in resin; plastic is what we need. I built one using an old Walthers car with a shortened tank, but it is just a stand-in.

Of course, I'm still lobbying Martin for a General American 46' GS gondola (D&RGW and WP!).

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Dean Payne wrote:

. . . Anybody want to cast votes for "most essential freight car not availble in styrene or resin?" I suppose that gets down to what you mean by "not available"; what you are willing to accept as a stand-in . . . .

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