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Re: Online list of Sunshine kits

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

There is another list of Sunshine Kits. That is the All-Time List revised by Jim Hayes and posted on Ted Culotta's internet website "Steamfreightcars.com." Here is the link to the all-time list update that was posted for 2004:

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/sunkits112003main.html

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Bill Sornsin wrote:

In the constructive spirit our moderator requests, you'll find an unofficial
but reasonably current Excel listing of Sunshine kits and pricing on the
group website at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/. It's old news for
some, but newer members may not have seen it. Click Files and scroll about
2/3 of the way down. No photos, but quite thorough.

I used it for a recent order which worked out great.

-- Bill in Seattle


P.s. Many Yahoo groups have invaluable information posted on their
corresponding websites. Spend some time trolling there, especially when you
first join; don't limit yourself to just the emails.




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Re: Santa Fe Bx-13 boxcar details

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

What does a Murphy solid steel roof look like?
I don't have much to go on, as far as photos go<
Check the Westerfield site, he has resin kits for these cars.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Santa Fe Bx-13 boxcar details

Mark Heiden
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>
wrote:
On Apr 22, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Mark Heiden wrote:

Just a few questions regarding the details of Santa Fe Bx-13
boxcars:

1) What sort of roof were the cars delivered with?
Murphy solid steel (without rectangular panels)
Hi Richard,

Thanks for the reply. What does a Murphy solid steel roof look like?
I don't have much to go on, as far as photos go. It looks very
similar to the roof on USRA boxcars: flat panels with narrow, low-
relief seams.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Rapid Protyping and advanced mold making

Charlie Vlk
 

Ceramic tooling is used for some injection molded plastic kits that are
commercially available in both HO and N Scale.
I've heard that the Beyers (???) horses are molded from ceramic molds made
by the same company that supplies tooling
to a couple of manufacturers that make those kits.
The finish and fit of the molds can be pretty good..... although AFAIK
ceramic tooling has not been used for rolling stock.
The tooling isn't good for large numbers of shots, but certainly enough for
one-railroad prototype freight cars of specialized
interest. And if you guess wrong new inserts can always be made to replace
the worn-out ones for a fraction of the cost
of having a damaged aluminum or steel insert repaired or replaced.
Charlie Vlk
Railroad Model Resources


Essential brake wheels

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ted,

Thanks for the Brakewheel Primer on pages 98-99 in the May RMC. I've needed that for a long time.

SGL


Re: Santa Fe Bx-13 boxcar details

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 22, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Mark Heiden wrote:

Just a few questions regarding the details of Santa Fe Bx-13 boxcars:

1) What sort of roof were the cars delivered with?
Murphy solid steel (without rectangular panels)

2) What sort of roof walk was used?
Running boards and laterals were wood.

3) What model of power handbrake was used?
Ajax.

4) When were these cars delivered? I've seen both 1930 and 1931 as
delivery dates.
1931.

Richard Hendrickson


Santa Fe Bx-13 boxcar details

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

Just a few questions regarding the details of Santa Fe Bx-13 boxcars:

1) What sort of roof were the cars delivered with?
2) What sort of roof walk was used?
3) What model of power handbrake was used?
4) When were these cars delivered? I've seen both 1930 and 1931 as
delivery dates.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Last on the PM Hopper?

Justin Kahn
 

I went ahead and chose the SAG re-weigh datum, as one of the relatively late choices and both obvious and distinctive for PM; and as Richard Hendrickson raised the question of whether I could have mis-read the "WV" for "WY" (Wyoming Yard), I did check when I got to the backshop and it is indeed WV, so CDS may have misinterpreted prototype views of the cars in creating the lettering. Nonetheless, I have almost always been very pleased with the results from using their sets.
Jace Kahn

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Re: Rapid Protyping and advanced mold making

Charlie Vlk
 

While the CAD/M and laser technologies are making advances, a large part of
the expense of tooling is still in the mold base and fitting the inserts to
it.
The marketing of kits is not related to the cost of the tooling,- it is a
function of the demand for kits versus assembled cars. Even buildings are
now coming built up.....this is not because labor is cheap in China (it
still costs more to assemble and ship assembled parts than package kits) but
because (most) customers in the marketplace want to buy them that way.
Rapid prototyping has its most promising application in the creation of
masters for short production run kits.... something in between today's resin
kits and Intermountain / P2000 . I have been working with a company that
has a new technology machine that has the resolution to build Z scale rivet
sized detail into an acryic plastic part. The process is too slow to
compete with resin and injection molded plastic but is great for producing
masters, either for resin kits or for ceramic tooling inserts.
There is all sorts of good stuff coming and the technology is helping make
possible projects that would have not been possible five years ago!!
Charlie Vlk


Re: NP Painting Question

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 22, 2005, at 9:42 AM, railsnw1 wrote:

Have a question about the paint scheme on Northern Pacific boxcars in
the 1950's. I know the bodies, steps, ladders, etc. are boxcar red but
what color are the trucks and airbrake components, red or black?

Thanks,

Richard
NP box cars built during the mid-to-late 1940s came from the builders with black trucks, underframes, and ends and mineral red sides, doors and roofs. However, the NP (like many other RRs) painted everything mineral red when the cars were repainted in the 1950s.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Essential freight cars in RMC

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 22, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Clyde Williams wrote:

Is this a new poll? If so, how about a decent styrene 36' stock car,
open or solid ended, both would be better. As in other cars, the MDC
just doesn't cut it.
Bill Williams
Bill, AFAIK a 36' stock car in styrene isn't high on any manufacturer's priority list for future production. However, resin kits ar ethe subject ofTed's series in RMC, and Westerfield makes fine resin kits for the SP/T&NO/NWP etc. 36' stock cars, which were the most numerous cars of that type during the steam era, as well as for the MILW's 36' stock cars, of which there were more than 3,000.

Other RRs that had large numbers of 36' stock cars were the Burlington and the C&NW, and some day it would be nice to have resin kits for those as well (the Q cars have been done in HO, but only in brass).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Branchline kits (was Sunshine and the Internet)

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

Thanks Ben. I don't have any Yardmaster kits myself, just several
Blueprint kits.

Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
benjaminfrank_hom
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 4:28 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Branchline kits (was Sunshine and the Internet)



Doug Brown wrote:
"[Branchline] also make[s] the Yardmaster series with cast on ladders
and grabs on one piece bodies."

Not quite. The basic design of the Yardmaster boxcars are the same as
the Blueprint series, with a central core of sides and floor with
separate ends, roof, and underframe.


Ben Hom







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Re: Rapid Protyping and advanced mold making

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

The process is too slow to compete with resin and injection molded plastic
but is great for producing masters, either for resin kits or for ceramic
tooling inserts.<
I know nothing about ceramic tooling inserts however I'm wondering if
the tooling (for injection styrene) would hold up for say 500 to 1000 kits?
Is this a range to make a styrene kit (using this process) profitable?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Online list of Sunshine kits

billsoman
 

In the constructive spirit our moderator requests, you'll find an unofficial
but reasonably current Excel listing of Sunshine kits and pricing on the
group website at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/. It's old news for
some, but newer members may not have seen it. Click Files and scroll about
2/3 of the way down. No photos, but quite thorough.

I used it for a recent order which worked out great.

-- Bill in Seattle


P.s. Many Yahoo groups have invaluable information posted on their
corresponding websites. Spend some time trolling there, especially when you
first join; don't limit yourself to just the emails.


Re: Ebay Auction Rohm & Haas Decal-What time period is this?

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

The photo was taken in July 1957. A copy of the same photo which I
received from Joe Henry just recently appeared in the Phila Chapter
magazine "The High Line." When I wrote the note, I accidentally picked
up the date (8-58) from the end of the caption on the photo.

Actually the date given in the caption of the 6738 being dropped from
the roster is incorrect! The correct whiteline date was 11-19-58 and
the locomotive was sold for scrap on 9-3-59. Sorry for the mix-up!

The Penn had prepared to fire up a number of steam locomotives in early
Spring 1958 for yard use, but the United States Steel strike that year
scotched the whole works, so that the last revenue use of steam was in
November 1957.

In regard to the Rohm & Haas use of tank cars, I thank all who responded
to my questions.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Tom or Gail Madden wrote:

On Apr 20, 2005, at 10:21 PM, Tom Olsen wrote:

....it seems that the company had leased cars from SHPX as I have


a slide taken at Lewistown Pa on 4-30-58 by Joe Henry Kline (a PRRT&HS
member) of an 8K tank car numbered SHPX-18373 tucked in behind a PRR
M-1a 4-8-2 & an GP-9 on an eastbound arriving to work.

Forgive my ignorance here, not being a Pennsy expert and all, but steam was
still operating on the Middle Division in the Spring of '58??

Tom Madden





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P2K Box Car Models for Sale

Paul LaCiura <paul.jeseng@...>
 

HO Lifelike Proto 2000 Box Car Models for Sale. All new in original boxes.
Hornhook couplers only. Numbers shown are road numbers.



3 - Assembled Models



50 Auto Box Car with End Doors

GTW #591527

CB&Q #48539

ERIE #65073



6 - Kits



50 Auto Box Car with End Doors

LV #8505

CB&Q #48500

SOU #40249

GTW #591543

ERIE #65093



50 Auto Box Car with Dreadnaught Ends

NKP #87143



Best offer at or over $75 takes the lot. Sold only as a lot. Postpaid via
USPS Ground to continental US addresses only-any other special postage
arrangements at buyers request/expense.



Please contact me offlist at HYPERLINK
"mailto:paul.jeseng@..."paul.jeseng@... for information
and to bid.



I will post best offer offlist next Monday morning to those interested and
to give one more opportunity to bid. I will be away from this email address
from 430 pm today to 8am next Monday morning. I will answer questions next
Monday morning, or this afternoon if possible. Would like to have a buyer
established next Tuesday afternoon.



Thanks for your interest.



Paul



Paul LaCiura

San Francisco, CA




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Re: Essential freight cars in RMC

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

The estimable. Dr. Smith writes-

No, no, we can't be at the end of the series! Ted hasn't done Helium
tank cars yet!
Bruce, I am sure that you overlooked the truly ubiquitous poultry car.

Denny
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Sacramento


Re: Carriage bolt heads

centga@...
 

I think what your referring to is a "plow bolt" Todd Horton

-----Original Message-----
From: David Soderblom <drs@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:04:12 -0400
Subject: [STMFC] Carriage bolt heads



There are also "carriage" bolts with conical heads specifically for
flat car decks, and I have seen such on an EJ&E 70-ton flat. These
allowed for a fully flush surface.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD

On 2005 Apr 22, , at 04:14, STMFC@... wrote:

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:53:50 -0500
From: "Tom Jones III" <tomtherailnut@...>
Subject: Re: DRGW 6500 series flat

"Carriage bolts" is the correct term for bolts that have a rounded
head with
a small square boss below the head at the top of the bolt
shaft/threads. The
top of the bolt indeed looks like a rivet driven through the wood.
Carriage
bolts are very commonly used to bolt down wood to metal structures,
much
more so than standard hex head or square head bolts. This is because
the
bolts do not prove to be a snag to loads, and because only one person
is
needed to install them, as the square boss below the bolt head catches
in
the wood and keeps the bolt from spinning while tightening. Rivets
would
almost never be used to hold wood to a structure, as wood simply cannot
stand the riveting process without splitting, and once driven, a rivet
is
not replaceable, but wood does wear out rapidly.

Carriage bolts were originally used for bolting together the frames and
structures on carriages, hence their name. They are very nice looking
when
installed on an exposed surface, such as one might find on a wagon,
etc.
They would be only slightly exposed on a flat car deck, and because
loads
would tend to wear them on the tops, rust and other weathering would be
common after only a few uses of the car.

Tom Jones III
David Soderblom
Operations and Data Management Division
Space Telescope Science Institute





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Re: Branchline kits (was Sunshine and the Internet)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Doug Brown wrote:
"[Branchline] also make[s] the Yardmaster series with cast on ladders
and grabs on one piece bodies."

Not quite. The basic design of the Yardmaster boxcars are the same as
the Blueprint series, with a central core of sides and floor with
separate ends, roof, and underframe.


Ben Hom


Branchline kits (was Sunshine and the Internet)

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

Bob and anyone else interested,

There are three flavors of Branchline. Originally they decorated and
sold kits from several manufacturers. These kits were of simple
(Athearn) to moderately complex (adding ladders and such) from E&C
Shops.
When they started manufacturing their own kits, the Blueprint series,
they went all out. Separate ends (4/4, r3/4 early, r3/4 late, Dartnaught
and Despatch [NYC]) and roofs (rectangular panel, diagonal panel,
overhanging diagonal panel and Despatch) are supplied. Undecorated kits
have all roofs and ends so you can build what you wanted. Decorated kits
have the roof and ends of the prototype. Bodies are available with
straight, tapered and tabbed side sills. Each sill type undecorated kits
and decorated kits with the prototype sills. They are very well
researched with input from some on this list, with credits on the
instruction sheets. They are not hard to build, but they take time and
care. The brake systems are nearly complete and require care removing
the remains of the "sprues" them and from ladders, grabs, etc. I bought
some on ebay; the seller had built one (quite well in fact) but it was
too much for him.
They also make the Yardmaster series with cast on ladders and grabs on
one piece bodies. These are of easier construction as a result.
If you have the tools needed and have patience, I highly recommend the
Blueprint kits. The Yardmaster kits are also good, just a lower level of
detail construction.

Doug Brown

PS AND they still sell KITS!!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Robert Welsh
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:48 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine and the Internet

<snip>
What does everyone here think of the Branchline kits?
I am by no means an accomplished kit assembler,
although I try. Are these kits nice enough to look at
while easy enough to assemble?
Also, a little off-topic but I have an older MDC
Roundhouse 2-8-0 kit that belonged to my dad. I want
to assemble it but the instructions are gone. Anyone
have a source for those?
Thanks

Bob Welsh
<snip>

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