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New Tank Cars in Resin

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Well...I suppose this is as good a time as any to announce two new tank car "families" to be produced in resin. Southern Car & Foundry will be producing two basic tank car versions of the Standard Tank Car. These will be a radial course car...rivets perpendicular to the track...and a multi dome car. There will be more than one version of each done. You can expect to see parts in 90 days and the goal is to have significant parts shown at Naperville and cars for sale at Prototype Rails Jan 5-8, 2006.

The goal is to produce a one piece frame and two piece tank with domes as additional pieces. The cars will be designed to either accept or include Kadee #78 coupler boxes. An additional goal is to produce a model that can be built with reasonable effort.

For those unaware, SC&F is now producing models for the 4th Harriman car...the 2 door 60' baggage car. These cars were, IMO, the most important Harriman headend car and did travel around the country. Yes, there are photos of them in NYC. Anyhow, with the 4th Harriman car now in production, SC&F will concentrate on the forthcoming tank cars and some additional items. I plan to have photos of the 60' Harrimans in yellow and TTG next week.

Mike Brock


Re: Proto 2000 tank car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jerry Glow wrote:
Which ACF book are you referring to? I assumed Kaminski's one by
Signature Press but that page number puts it in the gondola section in
mine.
That would be Ed's book on AC&F tank cars, separate from the AC&F company history volume.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Proto 2000 tank car

Larry Grubb <larry450sl@...>
 

Eldon,
I realize this may be heresy to PRR fans everywhere, but we find that producing a model in only one or two roads, even such as PRR, does not provide us with sufficient quantities to amortize the tooling costs. Even though most folks who are on this list know that there are some unique PRR designs that you should have on your roster no matter where you model, those folks are only a small percentage of the total market for our products. There are still a lot of modellers west of the Mississippi who think they don't need anything PRR. Until such time as the education of prototype modelling more thoroughly permeates the hobby, we will need to restrict our selections to prototypes with a geographic mix of paint schemes. I think the hobby is heading in the direction of the folks on this list, but it's not there yet. Yes, the cutoff is typically 6 paint schemes that are appropriate for post-WWII or later, with good geographic distribution.
Larry


"Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@hdrinc.com> wrote:
Larry;
Thanks for the reply. I am sure that you have difficulty finding
ANYTHING consistent for more than a couple roads, when dealing with tank
cars.

Have you ever contemplated the idea of doing any other variations that
might fit on that same tank and underframe, such as the acid tanks or
others with unusual dome configurations? Or is that such a radical
departure on the tooling that it would not be worth the cost/effort? Is
the cutoff that 6-road/owner requirement?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Larry Grubb
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:08 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Proto 2000 tank car

Eldon,
The dome platforms will be as shown in the Kominsky drawing, just a
plank on the sides of the tank midway between the handrail and the dome.
As to future type 21 tank car variations, we have looked into many of
them but the difficulty is in finding a physical design that is
consistent for 6 paint schemes in the era of AB brakes. A more likely
(Though not yet decided on) approach for us would be to back-date the
brakes to the original K brakes and produce the three tanks we currently
have (8,000, 10,000 & 10,000 insulated) in earlier paint schemes.
Producing a resin mini-kit for converting our undec 10,000 gallon
insulated kit to one with a platform with railings that surround the
dome (such as the Tarvia car that Jerry Stewart is lusting after) might
be a good project for someone to do and I would be happy to provide any
help I can to any interested parties, as the chance of our doing this
particular variation is close to nil.

Larry Grubb
"Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@hdrinc.com> wrote:
Larry;
This is great news. We have needed a good insulated tank for many
years.

By chance, will any of those tanks come with a dome platform? Are there
plans to pursue any other tank variations, or is this a one-shot deal?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Larry Grubb
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 7:05 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Proto 2000 tank car

FYI,
We expect to ship the kits (2 road numbers per paint scheme) in December
2005 and 2 more road numbers for each paint scheme as RTR in March 2006.
The underframe will be the same as our previous Type 21 tank cars, with
AB brakes. The drawing on page 223 and the bottom of page 222 of the
Kominski Tank Cars book (Not the Kominski AC&F book) is accurate as to
the design except the K brakes, but be aware that this drawing is to
scale for the 8,000 gallon version, we will be doing the 10,000 gallon
version. The correct dimensions for the 10,000 gallon version are listed
in the table in the center of the drawing. Please also note that most of
the tank dimensions are inside dimensions of the tank, not outside
dimensions of the tank with insulation & jacketing. Tooling has begun
and we expect to have first shots by June 1. Paint schemes and number
series will be:
TCX 9350-9389 Aluminum tank/ Black underframe, black billboard "TEXACO"
SDRX 26100-26199 Black tank & underframe,aluminum billboard "SINCLAIR"
MPCX (late 50's-early 60's) Black tank & underframe, white reporting
marks
GATX 37100-37449 Black tank & underframe, white reporting marks
MPCX 1500-1649 (Post WWII) White tank/ black underframe, black reporting
marks
EORX 1129-1149 Black tank & underframe, white Cities Service trefoil
logo
UNDEC Black tank & underframe

I'll post photos as the parts become available.

Larry Grubb,
Life-Like Products

CASO <caso@canadasouthern.com> wrote:
Walthers is listing a Life Like Proto 2000 - 10,000 gallon INSULATED
tank
car kit as a future release. Anyone know when this is expected to be
released ?

Some of the cars announced match up to photos in the ACF book.

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@canadasouthern.com
www.canadasouthern.com



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Re: Proto 2000 tank car

Larry Grubb <larry450sl@...>
 

Bill and/or Clyde,
Other than the time period information regarding the two MPCX paint schemes that I provided in my earlier post, I can tell you that they are all in the time period of AB brakes. If you need more accurate information than that, perhaps Richard will be kind enough to post the information he has, which is more thorough than mine as regards first appearances and cutoff dates for each scheme.
Larry

Clyde Williams <billdgoat@i-55.com> wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@h...>
wrote:
Larry;
This is great news. We have needed a good insulated tank for many
years.

By chance, will any of those tanks come with a dome platform? Are
there
plans to pursue any other tank variations, or is this a one-shot
deal?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

And will the proper time periods for these cars P&L schemes be
provided?
Bill Williams





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Re: Proto 2000 tank car

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Larry;
Thanks for the reply. I am sure that you have difficulty finding
ANYTHING consistent for more than a couple roads, when dealing with tank
cars.

Have you ever contemplated the idea of doing any other variations that
might fit on that same tank and underframe, such as the acid tanks or
others with unusual dome configurations? Or is that such a radical
departure on the tooling that it would not be worth the cost/effort? Is
the cutoff that 6-road/owner requirement?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Larry Grubb
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:08 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Proto 2000 tank car

Eldon,
The dome platforms will be as shown in the Kominsky drawing, just a
plank on the sides of the tank midway between the handrail and the dome.
As to future type 21 tank car variations, we have looked into many of
them but the difficulty is in finding a physical design that is
consistent for 6 paint schemes in the era of AB brakes. A more likely
(Though not yet decided on) approach for us would be to back-date the
brakes to the original K brakes and produce the three tanks we currently
have (8,000, 10,000 & 10,000 insulated) in earlier paint schemes.
Producing a resin mini-kit for converting our undec 10,000 gallon
insulated kit to one with a platform with railings that surround the
dome (such as the Tarvia car that Jerry Stewart is lusting after) might
be a good project for someone to do and I would be happy to provide any
help I can to any interested parties, as the chance of our doing this
particular variation is close to nil.

Larry Grubb
"Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@hdrinc.com> wrote:
Larry;
This is great news. We have needed a good insulated tank for many
years.

By chance, will any of those tanks come with a dome platform? Are there
plans to pursue any other tank variations, or is this a one-shot deal?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Larry Grubb
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 7:05 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Proto 2000 tank car

FYI,
We expect to ship the kits (2 road numbers per paint scheme) in December
2005 and 2 more road numbers for each paint scheme as RTR in March 2006.
The underframe will be the same as our previous Type 21 tank cars, with
AB brakes. The drawing on page 223 and the bottom of page 222 of the
Kominski Tank Cars book (Not the Kominski AC&F book) is accurate as to
the design except the K brakes, but be aware that this drawing is to
scale for the 8,000 gallon version, we will be doing the 10,000 gallon
version. The correct dimensions for the 10,000 gallon version are listed
in the table in the center of the drawing. Please also note that most of
the tank dimensions are inside dimensions of the tank, not outside
dimensions of the tank with insulation & jacketing. Tooling has begun
and we expect to have first shots by June 1. Paint schemes and number
series will be:
TCX 9350-9389 Aluminum tank/ Black underframe, black billboard "TEXACO"
SDRX 26100-26199 Black tank & underframe,aluminum billboard "SINCLAIR"
MPCX (late 50's-early 60's) Black tank & underframe, white reporting
marks
GATX 37100-37449 Black tank & underframe, white reporting marks
MPCX 1500-1649 (Post WWII) White tank/ black underframe, black reporting
marks
EORX 1129-1149 Black tank & underframe, white Cities Service trefoil
logo
UNDEC Black tank & underframe

I'll post photos as the parts become available.

Larry Grubb,
Life-Like Products

CASO <caso@canadasouthern.com> wrote:
Walthers is listing a Life Like Proto 2000 - 10,000 gallon INSULATED
tank
car kit as a future release. Anyone know when this is expected to be
released ?

Some of the cars announced match up to photos in the ACF book.

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@canadasouthern.com
www.canadasouthern.com



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Re: Proto 2000 tank car

Clyde Williams <billdgoat@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@h...>
wrote:
Larry;
This is great news. We have needed a good insulated tank for many
years.

By chance, will any of those tanks come with a dome platform? Are
there
plans to pursue any other tank variations, or is this a one-shot
deal?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

And will the proper time periods for these cars P&L schemes be
provided?
Bill Williams


Re: Proto 2000 tank car

Larry Grubb <larry450sl@...>
 

Eldon,
The dome platforms will be as shown in the Kominsky drawing, just a plank on the sides of the tank midway between the handrail and the dome. As to future type 21 tank car variations, we have looked into many of them but the difficulty is in finding a physical design that is consistent for 6 paint schemes in the era of AB brakes. A more likely (Though not yet decided on) approach for us would be to back-date the brakes to the original K brakes and produce the three tanks we currently have (8,000, 10,000 & 10,000 insulated) in earlier paint schemes. Producing a resin mini-kit for converting our undec 10,000 gallon insulated kit to one with a platform with railings that surround the dome (such as the Tarvia car that Jerry Stewart is lusting after) might be a good project for someone to do and I would be happy to provide any help I can to any interested parties, as the chance of our doing this particular variation is close to nil.

Larry Grubb
"Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@hdrinc.com> wrote:
Larry;
This is great news. We have needed a good insulated tank for many
years.

By chance, will any of those tanks come with a dome platform? Are there
plans to pursue any other tank variations, or is this a one-shot deal?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Larry Grubb
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 7:05 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Proto 2000 tank car

FYI,
We expect to ship the kits (2 road numbers per paint scheme) in December
2005 and 2 more road numbers for each paint scheme as RTR in March 2006.
The underframe will be the same as our previous Type 21 tank cars, with
AB brakes. The drawing on page 223 and the bottom of page 222 of the
Kominski Tank Cars book (Not the Kominski AC&F book) is accurate as to
the design except the K brakes, but be aware that this drawing is to
scale for the 8,000 gallon version, we will be doing the 10,000 gallon
version. The correct dimensions for the 10,000 gallon version are listed
in the table in the center of the drawing. Please also note that most of
the tank dimensions are inside dimensions of the tank, not outside
dimensions of the tank with insulation & jacketing. Tooling has begun
and we expect to have first shots by June 1. Paint schemes and number
series will be:
TCX 9350-9389 Aluminum tank/ Black underframe, black billboard "TEXACO"
SDRX 26100-26199 Black tank & underframe,aluminum billboard "SINCLAIR"
MPCX (late 50's-early 60's) Black tank & underframe, white reporting
marks
GATX 37100-37449 Black tank & underframe, white reporting marks
MPCX 1500-1649 (Post WWII) White tank/ black underframe, black reporting
marks
EORX 1129-1149 Black tank & underframe, white Cities Service trefoil
logo
UNDEC Black tank & underframe

I'll post photos as the parts become available.

Larry Grubb,
Life-Like Products

CASO <caso@canadasouthern.com> wrote:
Walthers is listing a Life Like Proto 2000 - 10,000 gallon INSULATED
tank
car kit as a future release. Anyone know when this is expected to be
released ?

Some of the cars announced match up to photos in the ACF book.

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@canadasouthern.com
www.canadasouthern.com



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Re: F-70-7-- possible stand-in for C&EI?

Ed Hawkins
 

On Friday, April 29, 2005, at 06:24 AM, Scott Pitzer wrote:

In Classic Freight Cars Volume 6 by Maywald (I almost wrote
"Henderson") there's C&EI 70-ton flat 42088 and the very similar
looking SP 562781.  Similar in having 16 stake pockets, with close
spacing for the two nearest each end.
Is the C&EI car in the ballpark?  I suppose it depends on what league
you're playing in.  (And I'm taking a chance on whether it was built
by the end of our era.)

Scott Pitzer
Scott,
The SP and C&EI cars are of the same design and are both included on
the same AC&F general arrangement drawing. Last year I notified Bill
McClung of Red Caboose about this and sent him a good scan of the C&EI
car along with the painting specs. However, to date I've not seen any
evidence of a C&EI model from RC.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Covered Hoppers

r1ddell <jriddell@...>
 

The CPR built one steel covered hopper for grain in 1925. It had four
bottom outlets. 75 ton capacity. 41' IL. Original number was 240000.
renumbered to 249000.

John Riddell

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Sperandeo" <asperandeo@m...>
wrote:

Still, if you want something more conventional, Bettendorf built
twin hoppers with roofs (and roof hatches) to carry sand for the
National Plate Glass Co. in 1925. This was a "cross hopper," as we say
on the Santa Fe, but otherwise looked very much like the "standard"
covered hoppers developed in the late 1930s. The Bettendorf car is
shown in the 1931 Car Cyc.



Re: Digest Number 2425 - Wood decks

Michael Watnoski
 

Greetings,

It was my understanding that flat car decks fail mainly from
abuse. Creosote and other treatments are typically used to
prevent damage from insects and rot. Unlike railroad ties, there
wood is not left setting in contact with the ground and
moisture. Decks also must be able to be repaired by any railroad
using standard lumber. I would suspect that this would preclude
use of exotic materials in other than experimental applications.

Michael


Re: Proto 2000 tank car

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Larry;
This is great news. We have needed a good insulated tank for many
years.

By chance, will any of those tanks come with a dome platform? Are there
plans to pursue any other tank variations, or is this a one-shot deal?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Larry Grubb
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 7:05 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Proto 2000 tank car

FYI,
We expect to ship the kits (2 road numbers per paint scheme) in December
2005 and 2 more road numbers for each paint scheme as RTR in March 2006.
The underframe will be the same as our previous Type 21 tank cars, with
AB brakes. The drawing on page 223 and the bottom of page 222 of the
Kominski Tank Cars book (Not the Kominski AC&F book) is accurate as to
the design except the K brakes, but be aware that this drawing is to
scale for the 8,000 gallon version, we will be doing the 10,000 gallon
version. The correct dimensions for the 10,000 gallon version are listed
in the table in the center of the drawing. Please also note that most of
the tank dimensions are inside dimensions of the tank, not outside
dimensions of the tank with insulation & jacketing. Tooling has begun
and we expect to have first shots by June 1. Paint schemes and number
series will be:
TCX 9350-9389 Aluminum tank/ Black underframe, black billboard "TEXACO"
SDRX 26100-26199 Black tank & underframe,aluminum billboard "SINCLAIR"
MPCX (late 50's-early 60's) Black tank & underframe, white reporting
marks
GATX 37100-37449 Black tank & underframe, white reporting marks
MPCX 1500-1649 (Post WWII) White tank/ black underframe, black reporting
marks
EORX 1129-1149 Black tank & underframe, white Cities Service trefoil
logo
UNDEC Black tank & underframe

I'll post photos as the parts become available.

Larry Grubb,
Life-Like Products

CASO <caso@canadasouthern.com> wrote:
Walthers is listing a Life Like Proto 2000 - 10,000 gallon INSULATED
tank
car kit as a future release. Anyone know when this is expected to be
released ?

Some of the cars announced match up to photos in the ACF book.

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@canadasouthern.com
www.canadasouthern.com



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Re: K vs. AB brake assemblies

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

As well as made replacing only the defective component easier during
repairs.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni

From: David Soderblom <drs@stsci.edu>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:25:38 -0400
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] K vs. AB brake assemblies

I'll try to answer the question that was actually asked, which was why
the brakes went from a one-piece assembly to multiple pieces. At a
minimum, the AB reservoir is substantially larger (and thus heavier)
than the K reservoir. A single reservoir+cylinder would then be too
heavy to mount securely and to handle as an assembly. In the
conversion from K to AB, the same mount point could be used for the
cylinder in both cases, and if you think about it there's no point in
attaching the AB valve to either the cylinder (gets in the way of the
piping) or to the reservoir (ditto), so breaking down the brakes into 3
primary subassemblies made sense.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD


K vs. AB brake assemblies

David Soderblom
 

I'll try to answer the question that was actually asked, which was why the brakes went from a one-piece assembly to multiple pieces. At a minimum, the AB reservoir is substantially larger (and thus heavier) than the K reservoir. A single reservoir+cylinder would then be too heavy to mount securely and to handle as an assembly. In the conversion from K to AB, the same mount point could be used for the cylinder in both cases, and if you think about it there's no point in attaching the AB valve to either the cylinder (gets in the way of the piping) or to the reservoir (ditto), so breaking down the brakes into 3 primary subassemblies made sense.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD

On 2005, Apr 28, , at 17:41, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Message: 12
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:02:37 -0700
From: Jim Betz <jimbetz@jimbetz.com>
Subject: Re: K vs. AB

My historical refs have it that AB brakes were required
on all -new- cars in 1933 (don't have a more specific date
but perhaps it was Jan. 1?) and that K brakes were banned
from interchange service on Jan. 1, 1954.



David Soderblom
Astronomer
Operations and Data Management Division
Space Telescope Science Institute
1-410-516-8305


Re: Proto 2000 tank car

Larry Grubb <larry450sl@...>
 

FYI,
We expect to ship the kits (2 road numbers per paint scheme) in December 2005 and 2 more road numbers for each paint scheme as RTR in March 2006. The underframe will be the same as our previous Type 21 tank cars, with AB brakes. The drawing on page 223 and the bottom of page 222 of the Kominski Tank Cars book (Not the Kominski AC&F book) is accurate as to the design except the K brakes, but be aware that this drawing is to scale for the 8,000 gallon version, we will be doing the 10,000 gallon version. The correct dimensions for the 10,000 gallon version are listed in the table in the center of the drawing. Please also note that most of the tank dimensions are inside dimensions of the tank, not outside dimensions of the tank with insulation & jacketing. Tooling has begun and we expect to have first shots by June 1. Paint schemes and number series will be:
TCX 9350-9389 Aluminum tank/ Black underframe, black billboard "TEXACO"
SDRX 26100-26199 Black tank & underframe,aluminum billboard "SINCLAIR"
MPCX (late 50's-early 60's) Black tank & underframe, white reporting marks
GATX 37100-37449 Black tank & underframe, white reporting marks
MPCX 1500-1649 (Post WWII) White tank/ black underframe, black reporting marks
EORX 1129-1149 Black tank & underframe, white Cities Service trefoil logo
UNDEC Black tank & underframe

I'll post photos as the parts become available.

Larry Grubb,
Life-Like Products

CASO <caso@canadasouthern.com> wrote:
Walthers is listing a Life Like Proto 2000 - 10,000 gallon INSULATED tank
car kit as a future release. Anyone know when this is expected to be
released ?

Some of the cars announced match up to photos in the ACF book.

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@canadasouthern.com
www.canadasouthern.com



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F-70-7-- possible stand-in for C&EI?

Scott Pitzer
 

In Classic Freight Cars Volume 6 by Maywald (I almost wrote "Henderson") there's C&EI 70-ton flat 42088 and the very similar looking SP 562781. Similar in having 16 stake pockets, with close spacing for the two nearest each end.
Is the C&EI car in the ballpark? I suppose it depends on what league you're playing in. (And I'm taking a chance on whether it was built by the end of our era.)

Scott Pitzer


Re: IM AT&SF stock car kits.

Tom or Gail Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Jerry Glow:
?? Do you mean Martin's "western swing" to California? Pasadena is
close enough (actually usually in Monrovia) but I thought it was
normally in the fall or early winter months. It's been 5 years since I
lived in Calif. I want to be able to alert friends to look for things
for me.
No, the reference is to the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society's annual convention, in Pasadena this year in late June. Martin does indeed make an annual March left coast swing but this year moved the LA-area meet from Monrovia to Buena Park. A good time was had by all.

Tom Madden


Re: GE Mazda Lamps - Totally and Thoroughly Off-Topic

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

I worked for GE for 11 years, although not in the light bulb business. I
did get to visit a light bulb plant once when planning a computer system for
them and they were happy to give me a tour and description of the process.
The covered hoppers were used to transport the glass bulbs after they had
been blown but before they were used to make an electric light bulb. They
just poured the fragile glass bulb into the hoppers and dumped them out the
bottom. Yes, they broke a LOT of them, but was cheaper to just sweep up the
broken glass and ship it back to the glass blower (presumably in the same
covered hopper) than to try to package each bulb to minimize breakage.


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Beckert, Shawn
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:50 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] GE Mazda Lamps - Totally and Thoroughly Off-Topic

Guys,

Ever wonder why those ACF black hoppers had "GE Mazda Lamps"
painted on them? Me neither, but I looked up the history of them anyway.
Them there little bulbs have been around awhile:

http://www.oldchristmaslights.com/the_mazda_lamp_story.htm

On more of an STMFC slant, I assume those hoppers were hauling clean sand
from somewhere to be blown into little bitty bulbs.

Just a guess...

Shawn Beckert


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Re: Proto 2000 tank car

jerryglow2
 

Which ACF book are you referring to? I assumed Kaminski's one by
Signature Press but that page number puts it in the gondola section in
mine.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "cf5250" <timboconnor@c...> wrote:

Sinclair SDRX #26148 is a correct number for a 10,000 gallon
insulated tank car, so it looks like you're right! There is a
drawing on page 223 of the ACF book of a 10k Type 21 insulated
tank. I am guessing that is what Proto2000 will do to save on
tooling.


Re: IM AT&SF stock car kits.

jerryglow2
 

?? Do you mean Martin's "western swing" to California? Pasadena is
close enough (actually usually in Monrovia) but I thought it was
normally in the fall or early winter months. It's been 5 years since I
lived in Calif. I want to be able to alert friends to look for things
for me.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "charles slater" <atsfcondr42@h...>
wrote:
Sunshine will have some of the stock car kits at Pasadena this
summer.


Re: IM AT&SF stock car kits.

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

you will be buying the pieces you returned back because you are gonna want
some Sk-R's I promise<
IM does not want the return pieces. I called before I had examined the
kits carefully and Sara told me that the air lines were also missing and she
would send them for all my kits. This type of service can't be beat.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
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