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Re: K vs. AB

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On May 1, 2005, at 4:40 AM, pierreoliver2003 wrote:

As an interesting aside to this dialogue, go to this link,
http://www.canadianbranchline.com/modelrwy.htm
scroll down to the black and white photo of the fowler car and notice
that while this car is still equiped with K brakes, there is no
vertical stem winder. This appears to be one of those rare birds
equiped with K brakes and a power hand-brake.
Thought everyone would enjoy the oddball.
Pierre:

Actually, a lot of cars built in the late 1920s and early 1930s had K brakes with power hand brakes. However, what is somewhat unusual to find are cars that were re-equipped with power hand brakes without changing to AB brakes, which is the case with the example you cite.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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Re: F-70-7-- possible stand-in for C&EI?

Scott Pitzer
 

I guess Red Caboose doesn't strive for Six Paint Schemes like P2K does! (C&EI would have given them #3.)
Scott Pitzer

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Sent: Apr 30, 2005 6:40 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] F-70-7-- possible stand-in for C&EI?


On Saturday, April 30, 2005, at 03:54 PM, Ted Culotta wrote:

Ed:
If there is a stencil drawing for the C&EI cars at the MOT, I'll 
gladly make decals (soon, too).
Regards,
Ted Culotta
Ted,
Unfortunately, no stencil drawing exists for this car in the MOT
collection. The railroad likely furnished AC&F a drawing of how they
wanted the car to be stenciled. I've got a decent broadside photo that
I could scan and put on the STMFC web site. This photo is from a 35 mm
copy neg, but should be adequate. I don't know about the ends. A lot of
flat cars didn't have any end lettering anyway. I'll send the scan your
way.
Ed




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Re: Flat car decks

jerryglow2
 

As usual only testing will prove but usually the problem is when the
Goo is between surfaces such that escaping gasses from the curing
process are trapped. I don't have my kit yet so don't know the actual
construction. If it's like the P2K flat, that might be a problem.
Perhaps judicious use of a silicone adhesive might work. I know I use
it for gluing most weights into cars with no ill effects.

Jerry Glow


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RUTLANDRS@a... wrote:
Charles,
Goo WILL ATTACK PLASTIC and most styrene manufacturers
recommend against
it. Goo does have it's place, I'm just not sure where.
Chuck Hladik



Re: Flat car decks

jerryglow2
 

It depends on how the models were constructed and how bad you want
real wood. I removed the "wood" sheathing off some Overland Models UP
bulkhead flats and replaced it with individual strips of styrene (in
my case) in various forms of disrepair. I did "chicken out" and leave
the deck brass. If I were to do it again, I might go the whole route
as the etched graining in the decks is as exagerated as that in the
Accurail OB boxcar.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, smithbf@v... wrote:

My next project is to make the decks on a couple of brass PRR F22 gun
flats look like real wood (since I can't use real wood for them)
<VBG>

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Erie Covered Hoppers (was Covered Hoppers)

raildata@...
 

I think there are two underlying fallacies in the current "hypotheses" about
early Erie covered hoppers:

1. That the cement hauled came from the "cement region" of Pennsylvania near
Allentown. (There were also cement mills in central PA near Bellefonte)
Cement was widely produced all over the country. There was a mill at Hoe's Cave on
the D&H noth of Oneonta....a far more palusible source of cemnet hauled on the
Erie. There well may have been cement mills on the western part of the Erie.

2. That the cars were intended to haul cement. Another liklet commodity
would have been glass sand carried to the Corning glass works. The early Genreal
Electirc cars were used to haul sand for glass making and Corning to this day
gets the sand in covered hoppers.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO


Re: K vs. AB

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

As an interesting aside to this dialogue, go to this link,
http://www.canadianbranchline.com/modelrwy.htm
scroll down to the black and white photo of the fowler car and notice
that while this car is still equiped with K brakes, there is no
vertical stem winder. This appears to be one of those rare birds
equiped with K brakes and a power hand-brake.
Thought everyone would enjoy the oddball.
Pierre Oliver

Final date for freight cars interchanged was July 1, 1953 except for
tank
cars which were granted a final extension to October 1, 1953. By
March of 1951
94.1% of US rail cars (interchanged) were equipped with "AB" brake
systems.
The cars retired thereafter were most likely on the chopping block
with the cost
of brake conversion playing a minor role within the decision to retire.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Earthquake Faults, Nevada


Re: Erie Covered Hoppers (was Covered Hoppers)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

And Jerry, a respected (at least by ME) source advised me today thus:

SL - For the Erie to effectively participate in traffic from the cement district it may have been useful to have Erie cars
in a pool administered by one of the origin railroads. While the DL&W was obviously a competitor on some traffic the L&NE
clearly was not. In the age of regulation even DL&W-Erie joint line routes existed. Today joint routes involving erstwhile
competitors are still common. Even today it is not uncommon for railroads other than the origin railroad to supply equipment
for repetitive multi-road movements. M J Connor

SGL

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Behalf Of bdg1210
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 12:36 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Erie Covered Hoppers (was Covered Hoppers)

Jerry,

Why covered hoppers? Extrapolating from a Baltlimore and
Ohio Magazine, June 1940 article that states, "An insistent
demand for cars for this type (covered hoppers) for hauling
cement, for such large projects as the Pennsylvania Super
Highway, dam building, large buildings, etc., prompted the
Company to increase its fleet of such cars", maybe it was the
Pennsylvania Turnpike. This is pure conjecture, but it may be
a possibility for the Erie.

Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Dziedzic" <jerdz@e...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Deimling" <gene48@c...> wrote:

Greenville Car Company built fifty 50-ton cars for the Erie in
July
1934.
Indeed, and these cars are shown in the 1940 Cyc. The description
says they were for cement service. This makes me very curious.
Erie certainly did not serve any cement mills in the Lehigh
District
of eastern Pennsylvania. I don't think Erie served any
cement mills
elsewhere, but I'm happy to be corrected on this.

So, why would Erie order covered hoppers? My theory: zinc
ore service
from NJ Zinc mines in Ogdensburg and Franklin, NJ to its smelter in
Palmerton, PA. Erie served the mines via its then (in
1934) subsidiary NYS&W. There's photo evidence of the cars
in service
there.

Schuyler, you got your ears on? Anything you can add to this?


Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ




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Re: Erie Covered Hoppers (was Covered Hoppers)

bdg1210 <Bruce_Griffin@...>
 

Jerry,

Why covered hoppers? Extrapolating from a Baltlimore and Ohio
Magazine, June 1940 article that states, "An insistent demand for cars
for this type (covered hoppers) for hauling cement, for such large
projects as the Pennsylvania Super Highway, dam building, large
buildings, etc., prompted the Company to increase its fleet of such
cars", maybe it was the Pennsylvania Turnpike. This is pure
conjecture, but it may be a possibility for the Erie.

Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Dziedzic" <jerdz@e...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Deimling" <gene48@c...> wrote:

Greenville Car Company built fifty 50-ton cars for the Erie in
July
1934.
Indeed, and these cars are shown in the 1940 Cyc. The description
says they were for cement service. This makes me very curious.
Erie certainly did not serve any cement mills in the Lehigh District
of eastern Pennsylvania. I don't think Erie served any cement mills
elsewhere, but I'm happy to be corrected on this.

So, why would Erie order covered hoppers? My theory: zinc ore
service from NJ Zinc mines in Ogdensburg and Franklin, NJ to its
smelter in Palmerton, PA. Erie served the mines via its then (in
1934) subsidiary NYS&W. There's photo evidence of the cars in
service there.

Schuyler, you got your ears on? Anything you can add to this?


Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ


Re: IM AT&SF stock car kits.

Charles Etheredge
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Cheeks" <Rcheeks666@m...> wrote:
Where can I buy these kits. I didn't pay attention earlier assuming
I could walk into Trainquest and pick them up. When I was there
an hour ago I was told they are not out yet and they wouldn't be
available undecorated. Anyone have these in stock, Andy Carlson
maybe?

Thanks in Advance

Robert Cheeks
Riverside CA

Robert, there is an undec ATSF IM on e-bay at buy it now for $15.95.

Charles Etheredge
Modeling the TNO in the 40's


Re: Flat car decks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Jim, I'd tell you of my appreciation of your even better pun off list, if Yahoo wouldn't suppress individual's emails, so
sorry for the bandwidth, but that WAS a good one!

SGL

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Behalf Of Jim Pickett
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:37 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Flat car decks



Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net> wrote:
I will leave the adhesive question to others, finding it a
sticky question, personally . . .

Shame on you. That was tacky.

Jim Pickett



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Re: Flat Car Decks - adhesive?

Jim Betz
 

Try MicroScale's Krystal Klear - it takes a long time to set
but is very effective and will -not- attack the plastic (Goo will!).
It has a very long 'working time'. I'd use some kind of light
weights to keep the deck in firm contact during drying and let it
set a day or so.


Re: F-70-7-- possible stand-in for C&EI?

Ed Hawkins
 

On Saturday, April 30, 2005, at 03:54 PM, Ted Culotta wrote:

Ed:
If there is a stencil drawing for the C&EI cars at the MOT, I'll 
gladly make decals (soon, too).
Regards,
Ted Culotta
Ted,
Unfortunately, no stencil drawing exists for this car in the MOT
collection. The railroad likely furnished AC&F a drawing of how they
wanted the car to be stenciled. I've got a decent broadside photo that
I could scan and put on the STMFC web site. This photo is from a 35 mm
copy neg, but should be adequate. I don't know about the ends. A lot of
flat cars didn't have any end lettering anyway. I'll send the scan your
way.
Ed




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Re: Flat car decks

Jim Pickett
 

Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net> wrote:
I will leave the adhesive question to others, finding it a sticky question, personally . . .

Shame on you. That was tacky.

Jim Pickett



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Re: Flat car decks

James Eckman
 

From: "Charles Etheredge" <ceth512@earthlink.net>

I've enjoyed the posts concerning decks of flats and the weathering
of the same.
I've acquired several RC SP/TNO flats with wooden decks. The
question I have is what is the best adhesive to use to glue them to the body?
For open frames, I've used 5 minute epoxy. For for over an existing deck, I've used double sided sticky tape quite successfully.

It seems to me that any CA would set too quick to get the exact placement needed. Goo is messy.
Epoxy can be messy as well. Use toothpicks to place it.

Also, I plan on weathering the decks before attaching them. Is this the best way?
That's the way I do it, that way if there's some glue on top, it doesn't matter as much. You can always add more as well but darker colors hide 'accidents' better, don't ask me how I know that!

Yours,
Jim Eckman


Re: Flat car decks

Rich Yoder
 

Does anyone out there have pictures of F-22 flat car decks?
Richard Yoder

----- Original Message -----
From: <smithbf@vetmed.auburn.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Flat car decks


Charles Etheredge says:
I've enjoyed the posts concerning decks of flats and the weathering of
the same. I've acquired several RC SP/TNO flats with wooden decks. The
question I have is what is the best adhesive to use to glue them to
the body?
It seems to me that any CA would set too quick to get the exact
placement needed. Goo is messy. What are your recomendations?
Also, I plan on weathering the decks before attaching them. Is this
the best way? Thanks
I have become a conver to real wooden decksd as well, but I build them
board by board <G>. I attach the boards using a slower setting CA (15-30
seconds or so) and not the super thin stuff. The same would work for the
laser cut decks.

Absolutely weather you decks before they are installed. I used brown and
black shoe dyes in varying amounts to get anything from new wood to silver
grey old wood. The body should be painted and weathered, at least
partially, then the decks attached, and the weathering blended...

My next project is to make the decks on a couple of brass PRR F22 gun
flats look like real wood (since I can't use real wood for them) <VBG>

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL





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Re: Flat car decks

smithbf@...
 

Charles Etheredge says:
I've enjoyed the posts concerning decks of flats and the weathering of
the same. I've acquired several RC SP/TNO flats with wooden decks. The
question I have is what is the best adhesive to use to glue them to
the body?
It seems to me that any CA would set too quick to get the exact
placement needed. Goo is messy. What are your recomendations?
Also, I plan on weathering the decks before attaching them. Is this
the best way? Thanks
I have become a conver to real wooden decksd as well, but I build them
board by board <G>. I attach the boards using a slower setting CA (15-30
seconds or so) and not the super thin stuff. The same would work for the
laser cut decks.

Absolutely weather you decks before they are installed. I used brown and
black shoe dyes in varying amounts to get anything from new wood to silver
grey old wood. The body should be painted and weathered, at least
partially, then the decks attached, and the weathering blended...

My next project is to make the decks on a couple of brass PRR F22 gun
flats look like real wood (since I can't use real wood for them) <VBG>

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: K vs. AB

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 4/28/05 9:29:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tgilbert@sunlink.net writes:

<< The railroads did not have the option; the ICC mandated that AB Brake
Systems be standard equipment on all newly built cars in interchange
service after 1932 (?)>>

All new cars were to be equipped on or after September 1, 1933.

<<with all older cars being retrofitted at a later date.>>

"Rebuilt" cars to be equipped on or after August 1, 1937.

<<The ICC's original date for retrofitting was, I believe, 1946>>

Originally, all interchanged equipment was to be so equipped by January 1,
1945.

<<because of the Depression and War, that date was moved back until the
early 1950's. Quite a few of the cars retired after WW II may have been
retired a bit prematurely because of the cost of retrofitting AB Brakes. >>

Final date for freight cars interchanged was July 1, 1953 except for tank
cars which were granted a final extension to October 1, 1953. By March of 1951
94.1% of US rail cars (interchanged) were equipped with "AB" brake systems.
The cars retired thereafter were most likely on the chopping block with the cost
of brake conversion playing a minor role within the decision to retire.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Earthquake Faults, Nevada


Re: IM AT&SF stock car kits.

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Where can I buy these kits<
They are listed on the IM site so I would assume any dealer that can do
business with IM can order them. As these are kits and IM shots them there
I doubt they will be out of stock.
As I am in process of building one I can understand why Trainquest does
not have the RTRs yet. I doubt these are real easy to build for our foreign
friends! I'm guessing the casualty rate is quite high.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: ERIE 78246

smithbf@...
 

Tim O Connor on the baby boomer site posted a link to
a photo collection which had, among other gems, this
Erie boxcar 78246. Can anyone supply us with some info
on this car?

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=90346
And of course, note the required NP boxcar!

Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Proto 2000 tank car

smithbf@...
 

Hi all,
Could one of you knowledgable people please explain to a rookie prototype
modeller in Scotland what commodities would require to be transported in
an
insulated tank car.
One of the mot common was asphalt. These cars were used for cargos that
either could not stand temperature fluctuations or more commonly, that
needed to be kept warm. Of course, for me, during the WWII crisis, they
were used as standard tank cars, as was anything else with a dome and
eight wheels

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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