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Re: Sunshine models contact

Doug Ortman <douort@...>
 

This is from another web site:

"Sunshine Models
723 West Katella Street
Springfield, MO 65807

[Available direct, mail only; No Phone, No Fax, No e-mail]"

Don't know if it's accurate or not.

Doug Ortman

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lrkdbn" <lrkdbn@a...> wrote:
I recently tried to call Sunshine Models and the phone number I
had,
which has worked in the past, was to a different person unrelated
to
them.Does anyone have their new number?

Larry King <lrkdbn@a...>


Re: model flat car weight was Union Pacific flat cars

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Tom,

I am glad to see that you are doing Aaron's stock cars for him as there
are still a few people that still are waiting for the cars they ordered
almost two years ago. Ben Hom is the only one on this list that is
still waiting for his two cars that I know of. Fortunately, Aaron
took our advice and is having the cars cast by someone else rather than
trying to do it himself.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

pullmanboss wrote:

Jeff Aley:


I am aware of some metal-filled epoxies that we have used

here at


work (70 - 80% silver-bearing epoxy); I wonder if any of these are
suitably dense and can be used for "resin" casting. I suspect

that Mr.


Madden would know for sure.

For one thing, mold life is much shorter with epoxies than it is
with urethanes, which by itself adds cost to the process. Silver-
bearing materials aren't cheap either, and they aren't as dense as
you might expect. Al used lead-filled cast polyester floors for his
line of SP stock cars, but even they check in on the light side.
Aaron Gjermundson's cast resin NP flat car kit (which I'll get to as
soon as I finish casting his NP stock cars) is designed with a
pocket between the floor and the underframe to accommodate a flat
weight. Designing a kit to accept extra weight is much better than
leaving it up to the modeler to figure out down the line.

Tom Madden






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Re: MT Flat Cars in a Train

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

In regard to placement of empty cars in trains, this is also from the
modern day period. It was a practice in the Penn Central and Conrail
period that empty TTX flats (also known as bare tables) were not placed
in the head or center portion of the train. This was due to derailments
caused by trailing loaded cars behind them literally pulled the empty
89' flats off the rails on curves or would "pop" them out of the train
when an emergency brake application occurred.

I wonder whether this situation of empty vs. loaded cars and their
train position placement also occurred during the early intermodal
period between 1950 and 1960.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

Denis F. Blake wrote:

Let me chime in here if I may with regard to how cars are distributed in
trains. The era is off a bit as this is from my experience from modern day
railroading working as a conductor for NS.

On my district we have no restrictions on how trains are built except for
the placement of dangerous cars with regard to the head end of the train.
There is no restriction on where empty flats and some of the percieved
lighter can can be place. I have had flat cars on the head end of the train
and Schnabel cars on the rear. Some cars, such as the Schnabel do have
placement restrictions noted on the wheel report. It is very common today
to have "sinkers" on the rear of the train. Trains are not built with
placement of weight being a concern. Blocking of cars for some of the
trains is the most important thing.

On loaded unit grain trains there can be NO MTs in the train at all. An
emergency application of the brakes could lead to these cars being thrown
from the train. The same is true for loaded unit coal trains as well. For
that matter of fact it is true for most loaded single commodity trains.

Sorry to have digressed from the steam era of this list but I thought that
perhaps some folks would be interested in how this matter is handled in the
real world of modern railroading.

Denis Blake

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@vetmed.auburn.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MT Flat Cars in a Train




On May 26, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Mike Brock wrote:


This issue surfaced rather unpleasantly several yrs ago on the
STMFC. Since
then, I have been rather curious about the placement of MTs on trains,
particularly with regard to flat cars. I have found many cases of
obviously
MT flat cars on or near the head end. Taking a look at the light
weight of
flat cars in our period, I note that the UP F-50-11 weighed 47500
lbs MT. UP
40 ft box cars weighed from 36900 to 45600 lbs MT...most in the
42000 area.
The UP H-70-1 3 bay hopper had a light weight of 44900 lbs while
the HK-50-4
hopper weighed 44800 lbs. The problem, of course, is...if it were
desireable
to place MT's on the rear, what would one do when the entire train
contains
MT's...and it did happen and not infrequently.

Excellent point, and you've answered the question <VBG> you put the
heavier empties (flat cars) in front, or rather, the lightest cars in
back. I too have seen photos of empty flats near the head end as
well, but as you note, that may be a train of empties. Mostly
though, this is going to relate to specific train handling rules for
specific locations... might be very different on a flat straight RR
from a curvy hilly one.

I have noted that PRR practice was to always put heavy loads on the
front end, and lighter cars on the tail end. In the case of a train
of loads with empty flats, they would then be at the rear, but ...

All bets are off about rules. A friend of mine used to work for
Seaboard and he described a great situation to me whereby management
decided to reduce switching moves by changing the order of cars on
the trains in his division. Suddenly trains in one direction kept
stalling, and in the other, they kept breaking apart. The whole
problem was weigh distribution - in this case insisting on adding too
many cars of "rock" to the tail end.

The rules aren't absolute either - it may not be that the empties
have to be the last cars, but say, in the last 20 cars and it may be
that a limited number of empties could go in front of loads.

And of course there is the issue of odd loads. There's that "empty"
idler flat hooked up to the heaviest load on the train! Of course,
the last one I saw was hunting like an hound dog! I swear I saw
daylight every 3 seconds under the wheels!!



The problem in that case is
that the train of MT's might have as much train resistance as one with
loads.

Or more if you figure starting resistance, because the train of
empties has more cars, and therefor more bearings.


Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Re: Interesting IC boxcar 162099 photo

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Westerfield wrote:
The photo is the AC&F builders photo. This is the only series of cars to my knowledge that was built in quantity with Van Dorn ends. As I recall (I looked it up many years ago) there were 300. There were 25 XLs with the end. SP had at least one B-50-4 with the end (pictured in a Cyc - 1916?) and MILW had at least one - I have a photo. I've been intending to do the end for several years. In fact I had decals made for the XL but always seem to run out of time.
The SP car was shown in the 1912 CBD and I am pretty sure there was only one of them. It will, of course, be covered in my Volume 4.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Interesting IC boxcar 162099 photo

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

The photo is the AC&F builders photo. This is the only series of cars to my knowledge that was built in quantity with Van Dorn ends. As I recall (I looked it up many years ago) there were 300. There were 25 XLs with the end. SP had at least one B-50-4 with the end (pictured in a Cyc - 1916?) and MILW had at least one - I have a photo. I've been intending to do the end for several years. In fact I had decals made for the XL but always seem to run out of time. - Al Westerfield


Re: Erie 44' Hopper Conversions

Schuyler Larrabee
 

They might make an interesting project for Al Westefield...
Jace Kahn

Oooo, now THERE's an idea. Al?

SGL


Re: Chicago & Western Indiana freight cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Paul Hillman wrote:
Anyone know of any photos/info for C&WI freight cars?
Well, Paul, from the 1935 ORER, I can offer you the entire listing . . .

Line 1
Type RB "Ice" No's 1450 to 1455,
Inside: L 35'-8", W 7'-9", H 6'-2.5" (yes, six feet)
Outside: L 36'-10", W 9'-4" H (from rail), 12'-4" Doors 4'-6"
1704 CF, 5,000 lb

Line 2
Type GDA, H&B Ballast No's 800 to 1399
Inside: L 37'-7", W 8'-6", H 3'
Outside: L 40'. W 9'-1", H (to running board) 4', (from rail) 6'-7"
CF 985, 100000 lb.

Passenger Equipment
MCB: "BA" Baggage No 1, 74' long, one only

MCB: "CA" Coach & Baggage, No 2, seats 30, 74' long, one only

MCB: "PA" Coach, No 15, seats 100, 74' long, one only

MCB: "PB" Coach, Nos 86-388, seats 72, 60' long, eight thus.

11 total passenger cars.

SGL


Re: GATX Tank Car

sdrobatschewsky
 

Thanks for the response Richard and Tony! The tank cars were not SP
cars. My guess is that they were built by ACF, and the only markings I
could see in my pictures were GATX, 10,000 Gallons, and the first digit
of the car number 5. According to the 1959 ORER, GATX had cars in the
5xxxxx number series and they were 10,000 gals. The ORER didn't
indicate the builders as far as I can tell. The tank shell is made from
3 horizontal sections with a row of rivets at the very top, and rows on
the lower sides. I thought the 4 bands (each end and on each side of
the single dome) would narrow down the builder. My best guess as to
length of side sheets is 28' even though models like Intermoutain's is
33'. Hope this helps to identify the builder!


Re: Youngstown 5/5/4/ doors

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On May 26, 2005, at 8:55 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Dipping way back into the archives on 11/6/02 Ed Hawkins said
"Regarding the earlier style Improved Youngstown doors used by numerous
roads
circa late 1946 and 1947 with 5/5/4 corrugation pattern (UP and ATSF often
used this style door into the 1950s), there's some ongoing activity to have
these doors offered in cast urethane. Jack Spencer recently produced a
terrific set of masters for these doors and is in process of coordinating
with a manufacturer to produce them. Bill Schneider of Branchline Trains
graciously gave his permission to use masters fabricated from his existing
doors to be used for this project. Here's hoping these doors become
available
in the near future."

Were these doors ever produced, and where are they available?
Yes, but in very limited quantities. I have spoken with Bill about doing the same as Jack in future and making them available. You can look for them in mid-summer after my move to Connecticut.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Youngstown 5/5/4/ doors

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Dipping way back into the archives on 11/6/02 Ed Hawkins said
"Regarding the earlier style Improved Youngstown doors used by numerous
roads
circa late 1946 and 1947 with 5/5/4 corrugation pattern (UP and ATSF often
used this style door into the 1950s), there's some ongoing activity to have
these doors offered in cast urethane. Jack Spencer recently produced a
terrific set of masters for these doors and is in process of coordinating
with a manufacturer to produce them. Bill Schneider of Branchline Trains
graciously gave his permission to use masters fabricated from his existing
doors to be used for this project. Here's hoping these doors become
available
in the near future."

Were these doors ever produced, and where are they available?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: model flat car weight was Union Pacific flat cars

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Jeff Aley:
I am aware of some metal-filled epoxies that we have used
here at
work (70 - 80% silver-bearing epoxy); I wonder if any of these are
suitably dense and can be used for "resin" casting. I suspect
that Mr.
Madden would know for sure.
For one thing, mold life is much shorter with epoxies than it is
with urethanes, which by itself adds cost to the process. Silver-
bearing materials aren't cheap either, and they aren't as dense as
you might expect. Al used lead-filled cast polyester floors for his
line of SP stock cars, but even they check in on the light side.
Aaron Gjermundson's cast resin NP flat car kit (which I'll get to as
soon as I finish casting his NP stock cars) is designed with a
pocket between the floor and the underframe to accommodate a flat
weight. Designing a kit to accept extra weight is much better than
leaving it up to the modeler to figure out down the line.

Tom Madden


Re: Chicago & Western Indiana freight cars

Paul Hillman
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Hillman" <chris_hillman@m...>
wrote:
Durn,....sounds like that could be the car. I went to the IRM page
and found it in their freight car roster. No picture though. Built by,
Haskell & Barber, 1913, 40ft, Wood Side Dump Gondola, #1185.
***********************************************************************
Ooops,...I think I found a "typo" in the Illinois RR Museum lit. That
should be Haskell & Barker, (not Barber)? Right?

Paul Hillman


Re: Interesting IC boxcar 162099 photo

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Stefan Lerche asked:
Can someone comment on this Steve Wzdeck photo of IC #162099? Who
built/ how does one describe this type of boxcar end?
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic162099asw.jpg

This is a Van Dorn end, applied to an indeterminate number of house cars in
the teens. I'm not sure how many railroads built cars with this end; a
builder's photo of PRR 63837, a Class XL built in 1912 is on page 18 of the
Summer 2000 Keystone (which extensively covers Class XL with articles by
Gary Rausch, Bob Johnson, and Al Westerfield).
http://www.club-e-stores.com/store/product51.html


Ben Hom


Re: Chicago & Western Indiana freight cars

Paul Hillman
 

Durn,....sounds like that could be the car. I went to the IRM page and found it in their freight car roster. No picture though. Built by, Haskell & Barber, 1913, 40ft, Wood Side Dump Gondola, #1185. Now I just gotta search for Haskell & Barber cars. I'm in Houston, TX. Long way back up to Illinois. Thanks A.T.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: proto48er<mailto:atkott@swbell.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:20 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Chicago & Western Indiana freight cars


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>, "behillman" <chris_hillman@m<mailto:chris_hillman@m>...> wrote:
> Anyone know of any photos/info for C&WI freight cars? I grew up along
> the C&WI tracks in Chicago and remember seeing about a 36ft wooden
> gondola, with either drop-bottom floors, or hinged side-doors . . .

Paul - I think you can still SEE that car you wrote about!! I think it
is at the Illinois Railroad Museum in Union, Illinois. You might
contact them and ask. It has drop sides and drop floor "doors". I
remember photographing it there in the early 1980's. A.T. Kott


Re: Erie 44' Hopper Conversions

Jerry Dziedzic
 

If you can point me toward views of any of the cars in
whichever state, I'd be interested in seeing them
Well, let's see what we can do about that. Stay tuned.


Interesting IC boxcar 162099 photo

oliver
 

Can someone comment on this Steve Wzdeck photo of IC #162099. Who
built/ how does one describe this type of boxcar end?

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic162099asw.jpg

thanks
Stefan
Duncan, BC


Re: Chicago & Western Indiana freight cars

proto48er
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "behillman" <chris_hillman@m...> wrote:
Anyone know of any photos/info for C&WI freight cars? I grew up along
the C&WI tracks in Chicago and remember seeing about a 36ft wooden
gondola, with either drop-bottom floors, or hinged side-doors . . .
Paul - I think you can still SEE that car you wrote about!! I think it
is at the Illinois Railroad Museum in Union, Illinois. You might
contact them and ask. It has drop sides and drop floor "doors". I
remember photographing it there in the early 1980's. A.T. Kott


Re: model flat car weight was Union Pacific flat cars

s shaffer
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Paul Ehni <behni@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] re: model flat car weight was Union Pacific flat cars


Birdshot works for me. I weigh #7 or #8 shot (chosen for it's small size
so
it "flows" well) on a digital scale, then Superglue it up in the under
frame. Unless you turn it upside down or look up thru a trestle, it's out
of
sight!
Although not as common as #7 or #8 shot, there is a #9 that is smaller than
the other two. I just looked and there is also a #12 size, but it may be
very difficult to find.

Steve Shaffer


Re: GATX Tank Car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Looking for information about a 10,000 gallon GATX tank car in the
5xxxxx car number series. In 1959, the Southern Pacific built a sand
tower in Dunsmuir, welding two tank cars end to end and standing the
cars on end. In pictures I took in the 1980's I can see partial
markings on one of the tank cars as indicated above.
Do you mean GATC-built or in GATX service? What do the markings say?

Richard Hendrickson commented:
Not much to go on here, Serge, as most SP tank cars were originally
numbered in the 50000 series before the mid-'50s renumbering and none
were 10,000 gallon cars . . . If you can zero in on
the car class(es) used to make the sand tower, it's possible that the
Calif. State RR Museum might have drawings from the SP mechanical dept.
files, but I'm not aware of any published drawings for any of the cars
in question.
I'm not aware of any car drawings either.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: MT Flat Cars in a Train

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Denis F. Blake wrote:
On loaded unit grain trains there can be NO MTs in the train at all. An
emergency application of the brakes could lead to these cars being thrown
from the train. The same is true for loaded unit coal trains as well.
Is this a lead-in to revisit the famous "car that leaped out of the train and was never found" story?
<VBG>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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