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Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Tim,

On this I must agree, they never gave up revenue !! Thanks for the info.

Fred Freitas

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From: Tim Gilbert
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"


Fred in Vt. wrote:

> Guyz,
>
> If I were a betting man, then the money goes on either
> Decatur, or Logansport. Any lines west members have an input?
>
> Fred Freitas
>

B(lack) ROCK NY - which was the easternmost WABASH interchange
maximizing Wabash's miles.

Tim Gilbert



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Re: Digest Number 2497

Frank Greene <fgreen01@...>
 

Edwin, I haven't been to the Lake Front meet, but Jim Six's accomplice Bob Harpe puts on a similar meet in Savannah, GA every April and I believe they are run similarly. The atmosphere is relaxed, lots of great modeling of all eras, excellent clinics, and everyone displaying models is willing to talk about how they did it. Here is a link to some photos I took at this years Savannah meet: http://frankg290.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=5172

Attending the Lake Region PM Meet will be well worth your time.

Frank Greene
fgreen01@midsouth.rr.com

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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:49:02 -0400
From: "Edwin C. Kirstatter" <Q1xaMacArthur1@juno.com>
Subject: Lake Region RPM Meet

I have found in the recent issue of the Railroad Model Craftsman magazine
a listing in Special events a notice of upcoming Lake Region Railroad
Prototype Modelers meet at Perry, Ohio on Sept. 23-24 arranged by Jim
Six.

Any comments from anybody that has gone to previous meets of this group?
Do they have any clinics that would benefit the Steam Era Modelers?
Will they have any dealers showing and selling merchandise for our era?
Do they have Historical Societies come with sales tables?

Edwin C. Kirstatter, B&O Modeler.


Swift Livestock Express Stockcars

Justin Kahn
 

Having just picked up an old MainLine assembled kit for a 36', steel underframe car, I wonder if anyone can point me toward any photographic views of the prototype SLRX (assuming there was one with those features). I readily appreciate MainLine kits are very much the exception to the concerns of STMFC, but they are fun to build (I think more so than resin cast ones) and with some reworking can result in a credible car which will not cause serious modelers to roll on the carpet in laughter.
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Brock

Justin Kahn
 

As others have suggested, it is almost certainly Black Rock NY ( a term that goes back to when the Senecas owned that part of the state), continguous to Buffalo and a major yard site. The Wabash reached its easternmost limit there (which would have likely motivated them to collect the mileage to the maximum extent possible) after passing through Ontario, and the Pennsylvania also had a major yard to handle westbound shipments from Harrisburg up to Buffalo and the reverse direction.
JGGK


Message: 7
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:28:43 -0400
From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@brevard.net>
Subject: Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"

Robert Jackson asks:


Does anybody have any information as to the identity of where Brock is
or
what it was?
Wherever it is...or even whatever it is....my guess is that it's rather
significant, probably even important.

Mike Brock
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Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"

Douglas Harding <d.harding@...>
 

Could it be an abbreviation of Black Rock, NY? ie B(lack)ROCK

If it originated on the Wabash wouldn't the Wabash want the longest haul on
their own rails? Black Rock NY would be the furthest away from the ADM
plant, hence the greatest milage to the Wabash. I believe this is standard
routing technique unless the shipper requested a specific routing of the
load.

Douglas Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com


Re: MKT CABOOSE INFORMATION REQUEST

Tom Palmer
 

Bill,
Reply to me off list if you did not get an answer. I know the details of that caboose model and the prototype.
Best regards,
Tom Palmer

----- Original Message -----
From: William Keene
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/12/2005 8:15:58 PM
Subject: [STMFC] MKT CABOOSE INFORMATION REQUEST


Hello All,

This might be a bit OT... if so... please forgive...

A while back I posted the following request for information on the MKT
Yahoo site and to date have not had any success. I am hoping that
someone in this group might be able to offer some information as these
cabooses fall within the dates of this groups' interest. Thanks, in
advance, for whatever is given.


While sorting through the storage yard (the cabinets in the garage) I
unearthed the following model and am having a bit of trouble
identifying it. Hope someone out there can provide some info.

Found...
Hallmark Models, Inc.
MKT WOOD SHEATHED CABOOSE

From the info that I have found on the net, I believe that this is one
of the cars in the 821 - 907 groups. The confusion is that all of the
photos that I have found of these cabooses show a fish belly center
sill frame. The model does not have such a frame. Also, the uneven
spacing of the windows is not as pronounced on the model as the
prototype photos I have uncovered show.

I know that these cars were mostly, if not all, home-built so one could
expect to find variations in the appearance, including use (reuse) of
frames and and window spacing.

Any information identifying the prototype of the Hallmark MKT wood
sheathed caboose would be much appreciated.

As a post scrip to the above, I have discovered photos of these
cabooses that do show that the window spacing did vary considerably
from car to car. There is a photo in the Otto Perry collection that
shows two of these waycars and one of these cars has a window spacing
very close to that of the model. Unfortunately, only one has the number
showing and it is the other car that more closely matches the model
(except for the fish belly center sill). Both cars are in Sloan Yellow
with black lettering. And that will be what my model is painted once I
can learn a proper number.

-- Bill Keene






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Re: ADMIN: Re: Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Jun 14, 1:33pm, Mike Brock wrote:
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [STMFC] Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains
Third, same Mike ruled that headend cars [ those carrying mail, baggage
and
whatever OTHER than non RR employee people { hence, cabooses are
considered
as frt cars } ] were within scope of the STMFC.
So, baggage-dorms anyone? I bought from Laser Horizons a very nice set of
car sides for a UP baggage-dorm for my City of St. Louis.

:-)


Regards,

-Jeff

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ADMIN: Re: Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Paul Hillman writes:



Before Mike gets mad about an OT passenger car subject;.........since combination-cars carried LCL, etc., freight, wouldn't they be considered as being, at least, a pseudo freight-car?
First, Mike seldom gets mad. Second, Mike does have to maintain order and the way he does that is to ensure that the group's rules are followed. Third, same Mike ruled that headend cars [ those carrying mail, baggage and whatever OTHER than non RR employee people { hence, cabooses are considered as frt cars } ] were within scope of the STMFC. A combine carries both stuff and people and, therefore, part of it is technically out of scope. Not wishing to see such nice looking cars cut in half so to speak, they are now decreed as within scope.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains

Paul Hillman
 

Before Mike gets mad about an OT passenger car subject;.........since combination-cars carried LCL, etc., freight, wouldn't they be considered as being, at least, a pseudo freight-car?

Paul Hillman


Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains

Scott Pitzer
 

older styled Pullman Palace line
from MDC/Roundhouse. I have been working on a few for this same type
of service on our club layout. These are an early 20th century
prototype with wood sheathing and truss rods.

Still a decent car for $13. And it does look great trailing a mixed
freight of pre-WWII cars.

Eric Hansmann

--------------------------

I've thought that a section of one of these cars, on the ground, would make a nice shelter/storage building next to a yard full of pre- or even post-WWII freight cars.
Scott Pitzer


Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains

Eric Hansmann <ehansmann@...>
 

--- Andy Miller wrote:
PRR PB70 combines are available RTR from Bachmann and as kits from
Eastern
Car Works. Walthers offers a RTR CNW short combine. The ECW kits
are
undec. The Bachmann and Walthers cars come in a wide variety of
roads, all
bogus except for the PRR and CNW.
Bethlehem Car works may also offer combines for the Reading or
CNJ. I don't
recall offhand.
==============================================


In addition to these, there are the older styled Pullman Palace line
from MDC/Roundhouse. I have been working on a few for this same type
of service on our club layout. These are an early 20th century
prototype with wood sheathing and truss rods.

While these are nice kits, there is a buildup of flash on the window
areas. At first I thought is was the window frame, then I realized
it was heavy flash. It seems the mold and die do not fit as well as
they once did, allowing plastic to ooze a bit at some locations.

Still a decent car for $13. And it does look great trailing a mixed
freight of pre-WWII cars.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Re: NP 36' wood boxcar info requested...

Robert Ray
 

Westerfield wrote:
Robert - The PSC underframe of this period was fairly standard and
built so heavily that it would not need to be upgraded. You can see
photos of what I did for another 1903 PSC box car on my web site
www.westerfield.biz series 10500 cars. Also shown is typical AB brake
placement.


Thanks Al, That info and your website photo's are very helpful. I am
building the model in Z Scale as rebuilt in 1940, and will be using the
AB brakes and cast steel T-section Bettendorf 40 ton trucks (Z Scale
MTL Bettendorfs) to finish my model. I have just started building NP
cars now that I have a fleet of NP 24' wood cabooses and a W3 class
Mikado finished.

This is a great list!
-Robert Ray


Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

PRR PB70 combines are available RTR from Bachmann and as kits from Eastern
Car Works. Walthers offers a RTR CNW short combine. The ECW kits are
undec. The Bachmann and Walthers cars come in a wide variety of roads, all
bogus except for the PRR and CNW.
Bethlehem Car works may also offer combines for the Reading or CNJ. I don't
recall offhand.


regards,

Andy Miller

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
birdbiz2003
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:01 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Combine Cars attached to Freight trains


What kits are available to model the end of passenger era in the early
1950's of extremely rural America that had combination passenger./ baggage
cars which were usually one or two pre 1930's ones in small freight trains.
These ran from the 1880's 1956 era some attached to the early road diesel
trains pulled by GP-7 RS-1 and S-2. The combine cars close out passenger
service on the branch lines and small towns of the C & O by 1955. Want a
model in HO of one of the ones now in a museum or tourist RR that ran in
revenue service till 1953-1954.
Am considering a 1954 era diorama of a freight train with USRA to 1952
built freight cars.

Sincerely,

Tyler Turpin





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Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains

Paul Hillman
 

Tyler,

Labelle Woodworking has HO & O wooden combine kits, plus freight cars.

www.labellemodels.com

Paul Hillman


Re: Lake Region RPM Meet

Dave Owens
 

Edwin:
If you can make it, go. You'll be inspired by great modeling, you'll
learn a lot and you'll have a great time.
GO GO GO.

Dave Owens
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Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"

rgs4550 <rgsfan@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Carrock1998@a... wrote:
I am trying to locate a transfer of a railcar shipment that took place
between the Wabash Railroad and the Pennsylvania Railroad. It occurred in the early
1950's. It was identified as BROCK. The shipment originated on the Wabash
at Decatur, Illinois from the Archer Daniels Midland Company. It was
transferred to the Pennsylvania Railroad who brought the shipment to Baltimore. The
transfer occurred at BROCK. However, I have only been able to identify the
following transfer locations for the Wabash and Pennsylvania Railroads:

Black Rock, N.Y.


Does anybody have any information as to the identity of where Brock is or
what it was? Any help would be gladly received. Thanks ahead of time.

Robert R. Jackson
Hi Robert, I suspect that Brock is railroadese for Black Rock.
Regards, Don Smith


Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Fred in Vt. wrote:

Guyz,

If I were a betting man, then the money goes on either Decatur, or Logansport. Any lines west members have an input?

Fred Freitas
B(lack) ROCK NY - which was the easternmost WABASH interchange maximizing Wabash's miles.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"

Spen Kellogg <spenkell@...>
 

I have tried doing a Goggle search . . .

Ah, this modern world. The mind goggles.

Is that a search with blinders on?....

Regards, Spen Kellogg


Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Guyz,

If I were a betting man, then the money goes on either Decatur, or Logansport. Any lines west members have an input?

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Brock
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"


Robert Jackson asks:


> Does anybody have any information as to the identity of where Brock is or
> what it was?

Wherever it is...or even whatever it is....my guess is that it's rather
significant, probably even important.

Mike Brock




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Re: NP 36' wood boxcar info requested...

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Robert - The PSC underframe of this period was fairly standard and built so heavily that it would not need to be upgraded. You can see photos of what I did for another 1903 PSC box car on my web site www.westerfield.biz series 10500 cars. Also shown is typical AB brake placement. Chuck Yungkurth and Todd Sullivan published an article with drawing on a 1906 NP box in RMC. Unfortunately, it doesn't show the underframe but by using the rivets on the side sill, crosstie placement may be judged. I do not have the issue date. F&C did a model of this 1906 car. Chuck or Todd may be able to help you further. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: pray59_3
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] NP 36' wood boxcar info requested...


Hi List, I am building some Northern Pacific 36' wood boxcars,
originaly built by the Pressed Steel Car Company in 1903.

I have the body and roof done from photo's and the diagram on the
NPRHA site, but I cannot find any info, diagrams, or photo's of the
underside showing the steel underframe and brake gear.

Thanks,
Robert Ray

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