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Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"
Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
Tim,
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On this I must agree, they never gave up revenue !! Thanks for the info. Fred Freitas
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From: Tim Gilbert To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Identifying a transfer point "BROCK" Fred in Vt. wrote: > Guyz, > > If I were a betting man, then the money goes on either > Decatur, or Logansport. Any lines west members have an input? > > Fred Freitas > B(lack) ROCK NY - which was the easternmost WABASH interchange maximizing Wabash's miles. Tim Gilbert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: Digest Number 2497
Frank Greene <fgreen01@...>
Edwin, I haven't been to the Lake Front meet, but Jim Six's accomplice Bob Harpe puts on a similar meet in Savannah, GA every April and I believe they are run similarly. The atmosphere is relaxed, lots of great modeling of all eras, excellent clinics, and everyone displaying models is willing to talk about how they did it. Here is a link to some photos I took at this years Savannah meet: http://frankg290.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=5172
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Attending the Lake Region PM Meet will be well worth your time. Frank Greene fgreen01@midsouth.rr.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:49:02 -0400 From: "Edwin C. Kirstatter" <Q1xaMacArthur1@juno.com> Subject: Lake Region RPM Meet I have found in the recent issue of the Railroad Model Craftsman magazine a listing in Special events a notice of upcoming Lake Region Railroad Prototype Modelers meet at Perry, Ohio on Sept. 23-24 arranged by Jim Six. Any comments from anybody that has gone to previous meets of this group? Do they have any clinics that would benefit the Steam Era Modelers? Will they have any dealers showing and selling merchandise for our era? Do they have Historical Societies come with sales tables? Edwin C. Kirstatter, B&O Modeler.
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Swift Livestock Express Stockcars
Justin Kahn
Having just picked up an old MainLine assembled kit for a 36', steel underframe car, I wonder if anyone can point me toward any photographic views of the prototype SLRX (assuming there was one with those features). I readily appreciate MainLine kits are very much the exception to the concerns of STMFC, but they are fun to build (I think more so than resin cast ones) and with some reworking can result in a credible car which will not cause serious modelers to roll on the carpet in laughter.
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Brock
Justin Kahn
As others have suggested, it is almost certainly Black Rock NY ( a term that goes back to when the Senecas owned that part of the state), continguous to Buffalo and a major yard site. The Wabash reached its easternmost limit there (which would have likely motivated them to collect the mileage to the maximum extent possible) after passing through Ontario, and the Pennsylvania also had a major yard to handle westbound shipments from Harrisburg up to Buffalo and the reverse direction.
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Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"
Douglas Harding <d.harding@...>
Could it be an abbreviation of Black Rock, NY? ie B(lack)ROCK
If it originated on the Wabash wouldn't the Wabash want the longest haul on their own rails? Black Rock NY would be the furthest away from the ADM plant, hence the greatest milage to the Wabash. I believe this is standard routing technique unless the shipper requested a specific routing of the load. Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com
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Re: MKT CABOOSE INFORMATION REQUEST
Tom Palmer
Bill,
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Reply to me off list if you did not get an answer. I know the details of that caboose model and the prototype. Best regards, Tom Palmer
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From: William Keene To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: 6/12/2005 8:15:58 PM Subject: [STMFC] MKT CABOOSE INFORMATION REQUEST Hello All, This might be a bit OT... if so... please forgive... A while back I posted the following request for information on the MKT Yahoo site and to date have not had any success. I am hoping that someone in this group might be able to offer some information as these cabooses fall within the dates of this groups' interest. Thanks, in advance, for whatever is given. While sorting through the storage yard (the cabinets in the garage) I unearthed the following model and am having a bit of trouble identifying it. Hope someone out there can provide some info. Found... Hallmark Models, Inc. MKT WOOD SHEATHED CABOOSE From the info that I have found on the net, I believe that this is one of the cars in the 821 - 907 groups. The confusion is that all of the photos that I have found of these cabooses show a fish belly center sill frame. The model does not have such a frame. Also, the uneven spacing of the windows is not as pronounced on the model as the prototype photos I have uncovered show. I know that these cars were mostly, if not all, home-built so one could expect to find variations in the appearance, including use (reuse) of frames and and window spacing. Any information identifying the prototype of the Hallmark MKT wood sheathed caboose would be much appreciated. As a post scrip to the above, I have discovered photos of these cabooses that do show that the window spacing did vary considerably from car to car. There is a photo in the Otto Perry collection that shows two of these waycars and one of these cars has a window spacing very close to that of the model. Unfortunately, only one has the number showing and it is the other car that more closely matches the model (except for the fish belly center sill). Both cars are in Sloan Yellow with black lettering. And that will be what my model is painted once I can learn a proper number. -- Bill Keene Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: ADMIN: Re: Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains
jaley <jaley@...>
On Jun 14, 1:33pm, Mike Brock wrote:
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [STMFC] Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains Third, same Mike ruled that headend cars [ those carrying mail, baggageand whatever OTHER than non RR employee people { hence, cabooses areconsidered as frt cars } ] were within scope of the STMFC.So, baggage-dorms anyone? I bought from Laser Horizons a very nice set of car sides for a UP baggage-dorm for my City of St. Louis. :-) Regards, -Jeff -- Jeff Aley jaley@pcocd2.intel.com DPG Chipsets Product Engineering Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533
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ADMIN: Re: Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Paul Hillman writes:
Before Mike gets mad about an OT passenger car subject;.........since combination-cars carried LCL, etc., freight, wouldn't they be considered as being, at least, a pseudo freight-car?First, Mike seldom gets mad. Second, Mike does have to maintain order and the way he does that is to ensure that the group's rules are followed. Third, same Mike ruled that headend cars [ those carrying mail, baggage and whatever OTHER than non RR employee people { hence, cabooses are considered as frt cars } ] were within scope of the STMFC. A combine carries both stuff and people and, therefore, part of it is technically out of scope. Not wishing to see such nice looking cars cut in half so to speak, they are now decreed as within scope. Mike Brock STMFC Owner
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Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains
Paul Hillman
Before Mike gets mad about an OT passenger car subject;.........since combination-cars carried LCL, etc., freight, wouldn't they be considered as being, at least, a pseudo freight-car?
Paul Hillman
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Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains
Scott Pitzer
older styled Pullman Palace line
from MDC/Roundhouse. I have been working on a few for this same type of service on our club layout. These are an early 20th century prototype with wood sheathing and truss rods. Still a decent car for $13. And it does look great trailing a mixed freight of pre-WWII cars. Eric Hansmann -------------------------- I've thought that a section of one of these cars, on the ground, would make a nice shelter/storage building next to a yard full of pre- or even post-WWII freight cars. Scott Pitzer
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Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains
Eric Hansmann <ehansmann@...>
--- Andy Miller wrote:
PRR PB70 combines are available RTR from Bachmann and as kits fromEastern Car Works. Walthers offers a RTR CNW short combine. The ECW kitsare undec. The Bachmann and Walthers cars come in a wide variety ofroads, all bogus except for the PRR and CNW.CNJ. I don't recall offhand.============================================== In addition to these, there are the older styled Pullman Palace line from MDC/Roundhouse. I have been working on a few for this same type of service on our club layout. These are an early 20th century prototype with wood sheathing and truss rods. While these are nice kits, there is a buildup of flash on the window areas. At first I thought is was the window frame, then I realized it was heavy flash. It seems the mold and die do not fit as well as they once did, allowing plastic to ooze a bit at some locations. Still a decent car for $13. And it does look great trailing a mixed freight of pre-WWII cars. Eric Hansmann Morgantown, W. Va.
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Re: NP 36' wood boxcar info requested...
Robert Ray
Westerfield wrote:
Robert - The PSC underframe of this period was fairly standard andbuilt so heavily that it would not need to be upgraded. You can see photos of what I did for another 1903 PSC box car on my web site www.westerfield.biz series 10500 cars. Also shown is typical AB brake placement. Thanks Al, That info and your website photo's are very helpful. I am building the model in Z Scale as rebuilt in 1940, and will be using the AB brakes and cast steel T-section Bettendorf 40 ton trucks (Z Scale MTL Bettendorfs) to finish my model. I have just started building NP cars now that I have a fleet of NP 24' wood cabooses and a W3 class Mikado finished. This is a great list! -Robert Ray
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Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains
Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
PRR PB70 combines are available RTR from Bachmann and as kits from Eastern
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Car Works. Walthers offers a RTR CNW short combine. The ECW kits are undec. The Bachmann and Walthers cars come in a wide variety of roads, all bogus except for the PRR and CNW. Bethlehem Car works may also offer combines for the Reading or CNJ. I don't recall offhand. regards, Andy Miller
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of birdbiz2003 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:01 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Combine Cars attached to Freight trains What kits are available to model the end of passenger era in the early 1950's of extremely rural America that had combination passenger./ baggage cars which were usually one or two pre 1930's ones in small freight trains. These ran from the 1880's 1956 era some attached to the early road diesel trains pulled by GP-7 RS-1 and S-2. The combine cars close out passenger service on the branch lines and small towns of the C & O by 1955. Want a model in HO of one of the ones now in a museum or tourist RR that ran in revenue service till 1953-1954. Am considering a 1954 era diorama of a freight train with USRA to 1952 built freight cars. Sincerely, Tyler Turpin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2xaSZB/SOnJAA/Y3ZIAA/9MtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains
Paul Hillman
Tyler,
Labelle Woodworking has HO & O wooden combine kits, plus freight cars. www.labellemodels.com Paul Hillman
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Re: Lake Region RPM Meet
Dave Owens
Edwin:
If you can make it, go. You'll be inspired by great modeling, you'll learn a lot and you'll have a great time. GO GO GO. Dave Owens West Hartford, CT
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Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"
rgs4550 <rgsfan@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Carrock1998@a... wrote:
I am trying to locate a transfer of a railcar shipment that took placeHi Robert, I suspect that Brock is railroadese for Black Rock. Regards, Don Smith
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Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"
Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Fred in Vt. wrote:
Guyz,B(lack) ROCK NY - which was the easternmost WABASH interchange maximizing Wabash's miles. Tim Gilbert
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Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"
Spen Kellogg <spenkell@...>
Is that a search with blinders on?....I have tried doing a Goggle search . . .Ah, this modern world. The mind goggles. Regards, Spen Kellogg
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Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"
Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
Guyz,
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If I were a betting man, then the money goes on either Decatur, or Logansport. Any lines west members have an input? Fred Freitas
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From: Mike Brock To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Identifying a transfer point "BROCK" Robert Jackson asks: > Does anybody have any information as to the identity of where Brock is or > what it was? Wherever it is...or even whatever it is....my guess is that it's rather significant, probably even important. Mike Brock ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: NP 36' wood boxcar info requested...
Westerfield <westerfield@...>
Robert - The PSC underframe of this period was fairly standard and built so heavily that it would not need to be upgraded. You can see photos of what I did for another 1903 PSC box car on my web site www.westerfield.biz series 10500 cars. Also shown is typical AB brake placement. Chuck Yungkurth and Todd Sullivan published an article with drawing on a 1906 NP box in RMC. Unfortunately, it doesn't show the underframe but by using the rivets on the side sill, crosstie placement may be judged. I do not have the issue date. F&C did a model of this 1906 car. Chuck or Todd may be able to help you further. - Al Westerfield
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From: pray59_3 To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:57 PM Subject: [STMFC] NP 36' wood boxcar info requested... Hi List, I am building some Northern Pacific 36' wood boxcars, originaly built by the Pressed Steel Car Company in 1903. I have the body and roof done from photo's and the diagram on the NPRHA site, but I cannot find any info, diagrams, or photo's of the underside showing the steel underframe and brake gear. Thanks, Robert Ray
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