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Main Line Models Kit CH-6

Brian Everett
 

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has in the past - built one of these kits?
I have don't have access to one, and was wondering what they are like,
and how prototypical they are?

Main Line Models Kit CH-6 - Southern Pacific 31 ft covered hopper

Thanks,
Brian Everett


more on "Brock"

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hello,
As Brian Carlson stated it is a "suburb" (of sorts) of Buffalo, NY. I would tend to call it more of a "neighborhood" or section of the city itself. Its location was right across the Niagara River from Fort Erie, Ontario, Canada at the eastern end of the International Railway Bridge. It was and still is, a location for customs agents and a crows nest on top of the bridge enabled inspectors to look for hobos, etc trying to get into or out of the country. Hope this helps somewhat.
Bud Rindfleisch


New Red Caboose X29 body with patch panels

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I was browsing the Red Caboose website today, and under Future Product
Releases they list ARA/X29 boxcars lettered for CGW and LNE with patch
panels. Unfortunately, the links on the Future Product Releases page
don't work. Has anyone seen these cars, or know anything more about
them? I've tried making patch panels from Bare-Metal Foil without
much luck, so this could be just the thing I need.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Intermountain Type 27 tank car frames

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Rob;
You are welcome, and I think if we keep a dialogue going on this
subject, we can all get better informed. I know I still have a LOT to
learn.

I am putting together a spreadsheet that contains dimensions of known
prototype and model tank cars. I will try to get that better filled in,
then make it available to the group.

Regards,

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Rob Kirkham
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain Type 27 tank car frames

Thanks for these thoughts Elden, - nice to know I'm not completely out
to lunch.

I can see that the modifications to the Intermountain frame are easy
enough for most AC&F type 27s. The Tichy frame makes me think UTLX, so
I'll be looking into that conversion a little more. I hadn't noticed
the defect card holders and placard holders detail issues, so thanks for
that tip too.

Tonight I'm building CPR flat cars, so will get those done before any
more tank cars hit the work bench.

Rob Kirkham



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Re: New Red Caboose X29 body with patch panels

Charles Hladik
 

Mark,
Head to your local hobby shop and look at the Red Caboose "release"
sheet. It shows both cars and they do look nice.
Chuck Hladik
Lynchburg Trains Unlimited
Lynchburg, VA. 24502


Re: Detroit Buffalo route

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

ed_mines wrote:

Were their any customs considerations for freight traveling through
Canada between Buffalo and Detroit on Wabash or Pere Marquette? Or Michigan Central?
House Cars were sealed by Customs in order to prevent them from being unloaded in Canada.

Tim Gilbert


Swift stock cars

ed_mines
 

I've seen some photos of very different Swift stock cars. How many
different types were there?

I'd like to see an article on these cars.

They are much more interesting (and more numerous)than Armour stock
cars.

Ed


Detroit Buffalo route

ed_mines
 

Were their any customs considerations for freight traveling through
Canada between Buffalo and Detroit on Wabash or Pere Marquette?

It seems to me that there would be now (after 9/11) and during
prohibition.

Did many Canadian freight cars which were not box cars enter the US?

Ed


Re: Brock

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Justin,

Black Rock NY (outside of Buffalo) shows as the interchange point with
the Wabash in the ORER's.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

Justin Kahn wrote:

As others have suggested, it is almost certainly Black Rock NY ( a term that
goes back to when the Senecas owned that part of the state), continguous to
Buffalo and a major yard site. The Wabash reached its easternmost limit
there (which would have likely motivated them to collect the mileage to the
maximum extent possible) after passing through Ontario, and the Pennsylvania
also had a major yard to handle westbound shipments from Harrisburg up to
Buffalo and the reverse direction.
JGGK




Message: 7
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:28:43 -0400
From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@...>
Subject: Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"

Robert Jackson asks:




Does anybody have any information as to the identity of where Brock is

or


what it was?

Wherever it is...or even whatever it is....my guess is that it's rather
significant, probably even important.

Mike Brock

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Re: CP ore cars:373001-373129 and 375000-375399 series

PBowers <waiting@...>
 

I was wondering if by chance, the Car Cyclopedias for the 1907-15 era might have had plans for these cars. When built they were in the 53000-53129 and 55000-55399 series with the latter cars at least being built by Dominion Car and Foundry, Montreal.

Thanks for any assistance.
Peter]

At 12:51 AM 6/14/05, you wrote:

I'm looking for diagrams for CP ore cars in the series 373001-373129 and
375000-375399 (odd #''d only) built in the 1907-9 era.

These cars are very similar with the lower cars having an overall length of
22-7 and the latter, 26-6. Both cars appear to dump between the center
beams. A cross-section would be quite helpful in verifying the method of
dumping. The cars disappeared from the roster about 1965 for the smaller
cars and the larger ones lasted until the mid to late 60's. John Riddell's
CP colour guide states 63 of the larger cars were on the roster in 65.

Any detailed info on these cars would be helpful.

Thanks!!

Peter Bowers


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ADMIN: Re: Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

Oh? I thought you were using "mad" as my Irish friends do as
in "crazy" or "insane." That might fit Mike in some cases.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

-
-- In STMFC@..., "Paul Hillman" <chris_hillman@m...>


wrote:
OK Mike, I should have used the word "concerned" instead of "mad".
But,.........glad about your Admin.-decision.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Brock<mailto:brockm@b...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [STMFC] Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight
trains


Paul Hillman writes:



> Before Mike gets mad about an OT passenger car
subject;.........since
> combination-cars carried LCL, etc., freight, wouldn't they be
considered
> as being, at least, a pseudo freight-car?

First, Mike seldom gets mad. Second, Mike does have to maintain
order and
the way he does that is to ensure that the group's rules are
followed.
Third, same Mike ruled that headend cars [ those carrying mail,
baggage and
whatever OTHER than non RR employee people { hence, cabooses are
considered
as frt cars } ] were within scope of the STMFC. A combine carries
both stuff
and people and, therefore, part of it is technically out of
scope. Not
wishing to see such nice looking cars cut in half so to speak,
they are now
decreed as within scope.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner






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Announcement: St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

golden1014
 

All,

The Second Annual St. Louis Railroad Prototype
Modeler�s Meet will be held Saturday, August 20th at
the Gateway Convention Center, One Gateway Center
Collinsville, IL 62234. Collinsville is 12 miles east
of metro St. Louis on I-55/70.

The heart of this event is your model display. Bring
your models, finished or unfinished, for display. All
scales, gauges are welcome; attendees are encouraged
to bring locomotives, rolling stock, structures and
any other models pertaining to prototype railroading.
There will be no contests or awards. The purpose of
the meet is to share information, present your best
modeling techniques, and meet modelers from the entire
St. Louis metro area and beyond.

In addition, presentations and demonstrations by
nationally-recognized modelers historians from the St.
Louis area are scheduled. See below for an updated
presentation schedule. A FreeMo layout will be set up
and operating. Historical Societies and select local
vendors will also be in attendance.

Join us! Saturday, August 20st in Collinsville, IL

�AND BRING YOUR MODELS!

Hours are 9:00 A.M. to 10:00 P.M; set up begins at
7:15. Contact John Golden at Golden1014@... for
more meet info and to reserve display tables for your
models. No internet? Call (618) 624-8033. Admission
is $10.00. This is a not-for-profit event.

PRESENTATION SCHEDULE

Ed Hawkins � The ART Car Fleet, 1920-1960s

Leading freight car historian and publisher of the
Railway Prototype Cyclopedia series, Ed Hawkins will
American Refrigerator Transit�s car fleet, circa 1920s
to 1960.

John & Dan Kohlberg � ICG East St. Louis Operations,
Ca. 1970

ICG gurus John and Dan Kohlberg detail ICG�s exciting
railroad operations in the East St. Louis area, circa
1970.

Stu Thayer and John Welther � TBD

Nationally-recognized modeler and author Stu Thayer
and St. Louis icon John Welther team up to present a
one-hour discussion on a diesel locomotive detailing
topic.

Ed DeRouin � Baggage, Mail and Express � Unmasked!

Prolific author and modeler Ed DeRouin describes
head-end passenger operations with notes on modeling
and recreating prototypical head-end operations.

Ted Culotta � TBD

Steam-era historian and author of the proclaimed
�Essential Freight Cars� series in RMC, Ted Culotta
will present a one-hour discussion on a popular
steam-era topic.

Time Permitting:

Ben Hom � Modeling PRR�s X29 Box Car Fleet
Pat Wider - Weighing Freight Cars, Track Scales, &
Scale Test Cars

Note: Presentations begin at 9:30 and will run
throughout the day. An exact presentation itinerary
will be available at the meet.

VENDORS:
This year�s quality vendors include American Model
Builders, Bob�s Photos, Westerfield, Rails Unlimited,
Badger Airbrush, Speedwitch Media, Railway Classics,
Red Board Hobbies, Q Connection, One-Stop Hobbies, Joe
Collias (Prototype Photos), Chuck Macklin (Railroad
Books), and more!

FREEMO:
Chris Thies and the GSMRE (Gateway Society of Model
Railroad Engineers) will display an operating FreeMo
layout. FreeMo is a revolutionary HO modular design
concept. For more information go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsmre/ (St. Louis area),
http://www.free-mo.org or
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Free-mo/ (Nationally).

HISTORICAL SOCIETIES:
Railroad Historical Societies will be present with
books, manuals, maps, and prototype information to aid
your prototype modeling efforts. Societies at this
year�s meet include the Terminal RR Association,
Wabash, Missouri Pacific, Soo Line, Chicago &
Northwestern, Illinois Terminal, Central of Georgia,
and more!

Contact John Golden at Golden1014@... for more
meet info and to reserve display tables for your
models.


John Golden
O'Fallon, IL
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Re: ADMIN: Re: Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains

Paul Hillman
 

OK Mike, I should have used the word "concerned" instead of "mad". But,.........glad about your Admin.-decision.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Brock<mailto:brockm@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [STMFC] Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight trains


Paul Hillman writes:



> Before Mike gets mad about an OT passenger car subject;.........since
> combination-cars carried LCL, etc., freight, wouldn't they be considered
> as being, at least, a pseudo freight-car?

First, Mike seldom gets mad. Second, Mike does have to maintain order and
the way he does that is to ensure that the group's rules are followed.
Third, same Mike ruled that headend cars [ those carrying mail, baggage and
whatever OTHER than non RR employee people { hence, cabooses are considered
as frt cars } ] were within scope of the STMFC. A combine carries both stuff
and people and, therefore, part of it is technically out of scope. Not
wishing to see such nice looking cars cut in half so to speak, they are now
decreed as within scope.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner






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Re: FGEX and WFEX cars built ca. mid-late 1946

Richard Hendrickson
 

Ed, I can't help on the FGEX cars but I have a photo of heavily weathered WFEX 66573 with plywood sides.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Swift Livestock Express Stockcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 14, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Justin Kahn wrote:

Having just picked up an old MainLine assembled kit for a 36', steel
underframe car, I wonder if anyone can point me toward any photographic
views of the prototype SLRX (assuming there was one with those features).
Justin, I have many photos of 36' Swift reefers with steel underframes, which came in a number of different versions. Let me know what era you model and I'll send you some scans of cars with appropriate P/L schemes.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Lake Region RPM Meet

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Edwin,

Dave was the "point man" for the New England RPM meet, the first weekend in June.
If the Lake Region Meet is anything like theNE one, then you really should go.
FWIW, the New England meet was my first visit to a RPM meet, and I recommend it to anyone who can travel that weekend next year. The model work was beyond excellent, the clinics were done so that non engineering types would enjoy them, and the presentations were superb.

Fred Freitas / Pres
New England Chapter / PRRT&HS

----- Original Message -----
From: David Owens
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lake Region RPM Meet


Edwin:
If you can make it, go. You'll be inspired by great modeling, you'll
learn a lot and you'll have a great time.
GO GO GO.

Dave Owens
West Hartford, CT


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FGEX and WFEX cars built ca. mid-late 1946

Ed Hawkins
 

Group,
Does anyone have photos of cars in the following two FGEX and WFEX series? I'm trying to define when there was a switch from a group of plywood-sided cars that began construction in 1944 and when the change to steel sides occurred. Having documentation on individual car numbers of known side construction will help define where the break occurred. If you have photos in these series, please identify the specific car number, whether the side construction is plywood or steel, and the reweigh station symbol and date (if readable). All of this relates to orders authorized by the War Production Board and to what extent the orders were actually completed before steel restrictions were lifted and the side construction changed. All of the cars in question are believed to be built by FGE at their plant in Indiana Harbor, Indiana. Earlier plywood-sided cars built in 1942 are not part of this research.

FGEX 38266-38373. Note: 38200-38265 are known to have plywood sides. 38374 was a "one of a kind" aluminum car. 38375-38499 are known to have steel sides (125 cars built by Mount Vernon built late 1946).

WFEX 66550-66624. Note: 66500-66549 are known to have plywood sides. 66625-66799 are known to have steel sides (175 cars built by Mount Vernon late 1946).
Thank you in advance.
Ed Hawkins


Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Tim,

On this I must agree, they never gave up revenue !! Thanks for the info.

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Gilbert
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"


Fred in Vt. wrote:

> Guyz,
>
> If I were a betting man, then the money goes on either
> Decatur, or Logansport. Any lines west members have an input?
>
> Fred Freitas
>

B(lack) ROCK NY - which was the easternmost WABASH interchange
maximizing Wabash's miles.

Tim Gilbert



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Re: Digest Number 2497

Frank Greene <fgreen01@...>
 

Edwin, I haven't been to the Lake Front meet, but Jim Six's accomplice Bob Harpe puts on a similar meet in Savannah, GA every April and I believe they are run similarly. The atmosphere is relaxed, lots of great modeling of all eras, excellent clinics, and everyone displaying models is willing to talk about how they did it. Here is a link to some photos I took at this years Savannah meet: http://frankg290.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=5172

Attending the Lake Region PM Meet will be well worth your time.

Frank Greene
fgreen01@...

----- Original Message -----

Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:49:02 -0400
From: "Edwin C. Kirstatter" <Q1xaMacArthur1@...>
Subject: Lake Region RPM Meet

I have found in the recent issue of the Railroad Model Craftsman magazine
a listing in Special events a notice of upcoming Lake Region Railroad
Prototype Modelers meet at Perry, Ohio on Sept. 23-24 arranged by Jim
Six.

Any comments from anybody that has gone to previous meets of this group?
Do they have any clinics that would benefit the Steam Era Modelers?
Will they have any dealers showing and selling merchandise for our era?
Do they have Historical Societies come with sales tables?

Edwin C. Kirstatter, B&O Modeler.


Swift Livestock Express Stockcars

Justin Kahn
 

Having just picked up an old MainLine assembled kit for a 36', steel underframe car, I wonder if anyone can point me toward any photographic views of the prototype SLRX (assuming there was one with those features). I readily appreciate MainLine kits are very much the exception to the concerns of STMFC, but they are fun to build (I think more so than resin cast ones) and with some reworking can result in a credible car which will not cause serious modelers to roll on the carpet in laughter.
JGGK

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