Hello everyone,

I was browsing the Red Caboose website today, and under Future Product
Releases they list ARA/X29 boxcars lettered for CGW and LNE with patch
panels. Unfortunately, the links on the Future Product Releases page
don't work. Has anyone seen these cars, or know anything more about
them? I've tried making patch panels from Bare-Metal Foil without
much luck, so this could be just the thing I need.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

Rob;
You are welcome, and I think if we keep a dialogue going on this
subject, we can all get better informed. I know I still have a LOT to
learn.

I am putting together a spreadsheet that contains dimensions of known
prototype and model tank cars. I will try to get that better filled in,
then make it available to the group.

Regards,

Elden Gatwood

Mark,
Head to your local hobby shop and look at the Red Caboose "release"
sheet. It shows both cars and they do look nice.
Chuck Hladik
Lynchburg Trains Unlimited
Lynchburg, VA. 24502

ed_mines wrote:

Were their any customs considerations for freight traveling through
Canada between Buffalo and Detroit on Wabash or Pere Marquette? Or Michigan Central?

House Cars were sealed by Customs in order to prevent them from being unloaded in Canada.

Tim Gilbert

I've seen some photos of very different Swift stock cars. How many
different types were there?

I'd like to see an article on these cars.

They are much more interesting (and more numerous)than Armour stock
cars.

Ed

Were their any customs considerations for freight traveling through
Canada between Buffalo and Detroit on Wabash or Pere Marquette?

It seems to me that there would be now (after 9/11) and during
prohibition.

Did many Canadian freight cars which were not box cars enter the US?

Ed

Justin,

Black Rock NY (outside of Buffalo) shows as the interchange point with
the Wabash in the ORER's.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

Justin Kahn wrote:

I was wondering if by chance, the Car Cyclopedias for the 1907-15 era might have had plans for these cars. When built they were in the 53000-53129 and 55000-55399 series with the latter cars at least being built by Dominion Car and Foundry, Montreal.

Thanks for any assistance.
Peter]

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Oh? I thought you were using "mad" as my Irish friends do as
in "crazy" or "insane." That might fit Mike in some cases.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

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wrote:

OK Mike, I should have used the word "concerned" instead of "mad".

But,.........glad about your Admin.-decision.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Brock<mailto:brockm@b...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [STMFC] Re: Combine Cars attached to Freight

trains

Paul Hillman writes:



> Before Mike gets mad about an OT passenger car

subject;.........since

> combination-cars carried LCL, etc., freight, wouldn't they be

considered

> as being, at least, a pseudo freight-car?

First, Mike seldom gets mad. Second, Mike does have to maintain

order and

the way he does that is to ensure that the group's rules are

followed.

Third, same Mike ruled that headend cars [ those carrying mail,

baggage and

whatever OTHER than non RR employee people { hence, cabooses are

considered

as frt cars } ] were within scope of the STMFC. A combine carries

both stuff

and people and, therefore, part of it is technically out of

scope. Not

wishing to see such nice looking cars cut in half so to speak,

they are now

decreed as within scope.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner






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OK Mike, I should have used the word "concerned" instead of "mad". But,.........glad about your Admin.-decision.

Paul Hillman

Ed, I can't help on the FGEX cars but I have a photo of heavily weathered WFEX 66573 with plywood sides.

Richard Hendrickson

On Jun 14, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Justin Kahn wrote:

Having just picked up an old MainLine assembled kit for a 36', steel
underframe car, I wonder if anyone can point me toward any photographic
views of the prototype SLRX (assuming there was one with those features).

Justin, I have many photos of 36' Swift reefers with steel underframes, which came in a number of different versions. Let me know what era you model and I'll send you some scans of cars with appropriate P/L schemes.

Richard Hendrickson

Edwin,

Dave was the "point man" for the New England RPM meet, the first weekend in June.
If the Lake Region Meet is anything like theNE one, then you really should go.
FWIW, the New England meet was my first visit to a RPM meet, and I recommend it to anyone who can travel that weekend next year. The model work was beyond excellent, the clinics were done so that non engineering types would enjoy them, and the presentations were superb.

Fred Freitas / Pres
New England Chapter / PRRT&HS

Group,
Does anyone have photos of cars in the following two FGEX and WFEX series? I'm trying to define when there was a switch from a group of plywood-sided cars that began construction in 1944 and when the change to steel sides occurred. Having documentation on individual car numbers of known side construction will help define where the break occurred. If you have photos in these series, please identify the specific car number, whether the side construction is plywood or steel, and the reweigh station symbol and date (if readable). All of this relates to orders authorized by the War Production Board and to what extent the orders were actually completed before steel restrictions were lifted and the side construction changed. All of the cars in question are believed to be built by FGE at their plant in Indiana Harbor, Indiana. Earlier plywood-sided cars built in 1942 are not part of this research.

FGEX 38266-38373. Note: 38200-38265 are known to have plywood sides. 38374 was a "one of a kind" aluminum car. 38375-38499 are known to have steel sides (125 cars built by Mount Vernon built late 1946).

WFEX 66550-66624. Note: 66500-66549 are known to have plywood sides. 66625-66799 are known to have steel sides (175 cars built by Mount Vernon late 1946).
Thank you in advance.
Ed Hawkins

Tim,

On this I must agree, they never gave up revenue !! Thanks for the info.

Fred Freitas

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Attending the Lake Region PM Meet will be well worth your time.

Frank Greene
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Having just picked up an old MainLine assembled kit for a 36', steel underframe car, I wonder if anyone can point me toward any photographic views of the prototype SLRX (assuming there was one with those features). I readily appreciate MainLine kits are very much the exception to the concerns of STMFC, but they are fun to build (I think more so than resin cast ones) and with some reworking can result in a credible car which will not cause serious modelers to roll on the carpet in laughter.
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As others have suggested, it is almost certainly Black Rock NY ( a term that goes back to when the Senecas owned that part of the state), continguous to Buffalo and a major yard site. The Wabash reached its easternmost limit there (which would have likely motivated them to collect the mileage to the maximum extent possible) after passing through Ontario, and the Pennsylvania also had a major yard to handle westbound shipments from Harrisburg up to Buffalo and the reverse direction.
JGGK

Message: 7
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:28:43 -0400
From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@...>
Subject: Re: Identifying a transfer point "BROCK"

Robert Jackson asks:

Does anybody have any information as to the identity of where Brock is

or

what it was?

Wherever it is...or even whatever it is....my guess is that it's rather
significant, probably even important.

Mike Brock

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Could it be an abbreviation of Black Rock, NY? ie B(lack)ROCK

If it originated on the Wabash wouldn't the Wabash want the longest haul on
their own rails? Black Rock NY would be the furthest away from the ADM
plant, hence the greatest milage to the Wabash. I believe this is standard
routing technique unless the shipper requested a specific routing of the
load.

Douglas Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
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