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Re: Paint

Richard Hendrickson
 

Clark Probst wrote:

I've been working on the kits I bought a Naperville and am down to the
last one. My Question is; Is there a trick to spraying acrylic paint on
resin?
Clark, I know other modelers, some of whom are subscribers to this list,
who get good results with water-based paints, but I have never figured out
how to do it. They may be able to tell you how to get acceptable results,
but my advice (FWIW) is to use Scalecoat II. Since it's solvent-based, you
must apply it in a well-ventilated space (a spray booth with a healthy fan
that exhausts through a window or wall to the outside is ideal), and you
should use a respirator to avoid inhaling the fumes (these are relatively
inexpensive and readily available at Home Depot and similar hardware/paint
suppliers). In my view, you will need such an arrangement sooner or later,
anyway, because I don't know of any satisfactory water-based clear flat
finish to apply over decals; Dullcote, Floquil, etc. are all solvent-based.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Thanks...and a Question

golden1014
 

Freinds,

Mike and everybody else, I just want to say thanks for
inviting me to the STMFC list. Of all the lists I'm on
or have ever been on, I've learned more from the guys
on this list than any other. And I mean that
sincerely. I've really learned so much here and
recieved so much information through the mail from you
guys. Thanks! I hope you all have a wonderful holiday
season.

Now to my question. I read in MR/RMC/MM that Sunshine
is coming out with a Rock Island outside braced car. I
think the ad said a "Pratt Truss" car. Can anybody
direct me to a prototype photo? I'd love to add a few
to my fleet.

Yours,
John Golden
Travis AFB, CA

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Rocket Express - email

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

Hi Guys

I paid for a Rocket Express kit at Naperville,
on the promise that the kit would be shipped to me within days.
He was out of stock.

Does anyone have the email address for Ron Von Werder the proprietor so
I can chase him up and find out what is happening.

Thanks

Ian Clasper


Re: the new year from Sunshine

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Freight cars fans,

I can think of two woefully neglected freight cars.. I
know I've suggested them to Martin more than once, so I
won't belabor the point. But I'd really like to see him
do (1) GN plywood side box cars and (2) D&RGW 12-panel
box cars, including the "Cookie Box" cars. Also generally
neglected are 50 foot steel auto box cars.

I only mention these because of the idea of producing models
of every "significant" transition era freight car. That seems
like a daunting task for 10 lifetimes, much less one!

If someone could mail me a photocopy of Martin's latest list
of kits (he was all out at Naperville) then I will update my
list and send it to John Nehrich so he can update his web site.
I will also post a copy on my own web page, just in case the
RPI site goes into pay-per-view mode...


At 07:38 AM 12/24/01 -0800, you wrote:
Bill that's not all that's coming out next year, I am working on masters for
two Santa Fe gondolas,(my 4th and 5th project for Sunshine) which should be
out by next summer, and I know of a series of Santa Fe reefers in the works,
at least some of which should come out sometime next year. And I am sure
Martin has many more things in the works.
Charles Slater
Bakersfield, Ca.

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: New England Coal & Coke

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Earl Tuson wrote

It is stated on the car side to return when empty to Grantown, WV
Earl, I can't help you at all with the hopper, but I'm fairly
certain that should be Grafton, WV!

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Paint

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Merry Christmas everybody!
I've been working on the kits I bought a Naperville and am down to the
last one. My Question is; Is there a trick to spraying acrylic paint on
resin? I have been painting for over 25 years, but am an FNG on acrylic
paint. I bought two of the single sheath cars Martin was selling, a RI
and a Q. The instructions (that's a poor term) say to use Badger paint.
This beaded up on the RI car so I washed it off and painted it with
Floquil. I have tried to wash the Q car better, but would like to know a
little more before I try Badger on it.
Thanks to all and to all good night.
Clark


Re: New England Coal & Coke

Ian Cranstone
 

From: tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
In the 8/25 ORER, there were the following hoppers listed for Koppers.

135 SBPX 15112-15850 30'6" IL, 1,880 CF
550 KOPX 100-750 30'6" IL, 1,880 CF

(SBPX - Seaboard By Product Coke Co.)
(KOPX - Chicago By Product Coke Co. and Koppers Co. - flats only)

In the 7/31 ORER, the following listings for Koppers:

248 SBPX 100-347 30'6" IL, 1,880 CF
99 SBPX 400-498 38,10" IL, 2,546 CF

(SBPX renamed to Koppers Coal Co.)
(KOPX renamed to Koppers Construction Co. - flats only)
Following Tim's reasoning, I looked up the Koppers listing in the 8/22 ORER,
and it shows the following:

99 KOPX 15001-15100 38'10" IL, 2546 CF
898 KOPX 15101-16000 30'6" IL, 1880 CF

SBPX reporting marks were not in use then, but the Seaboard By Product Coke
Co. name was, with KOPX reporting marks.

--
Ian Cranstone
Kanata, Ontario, Canada
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Re: New England Coal & Coke

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Earl,

You wrote:

Wayner's Freight Car Pictorial has, on page 13, a picture of steel
twin hopper
NECX 1184. It is stated on the car side to return when empty to
Grantown, WV,
located on the B&O. The 10/1919 ORER shows 600 cars listed for NECX,
HM
1001-1600, with 30' IL, 9'5 1/2" IW, 7'3 1/4" IH(!?!,) and 1770 cuft
capy.
There it is stated that the cars should be returned when empty to
Fairmont, WV,
only 12 miles from Grantown, also on the B&O. My 7/31 ORER, however,
no longer
shows a listing for NECX. I had suspected these cars may have been
sold second
hand to the B&O, but I cannot identify a series at that listing that
would be a
match. Does anyone know what happened to the NECX cars? New England
Coal &
Coke did continue to operate for many more decades, so I don't see a
corporate
failure and auction as a possibility, but rather a divestiture of that
branch
of the operation.

Have a great holiday everyone!

Earl Tuson

Like your 8/31 ORER, there was no mention of the New England Coal & Coke
in either the 8/25 or 7/31 ORER.

The NEC&C was controlled by the Koppers Corporation as was Eastern Fuel
& Gas in Everett MA, and the Mystic Steamship Co. (once called the New
England Steamship Co.). I do not know when Koppers bought NEC&C, or
whether NEC&C's disappearance from the ORER's was a matter of "corporate
restructuring" in the early 1920's.

The NECX #1001-1600 series hoppers seem to have been employed in
carrying "Koppers'" Coal from mines in northern West Virginia to the
B&O's Curtiss Pier in Baltimore where the coal was transshipped to
colliers and/or schooner barges for the trip to New England.

From the list of Ship Arrivals in the Port of Boston between April 1st
and 15th, 1923, there was only one Schooner Barge carrying coal from
Baltimore. Most of the coal arriving from New England from West Virginia
seemed to have been transshipped from Norfolk and Newport News which
were N&W, VGN and C&O ports.

(New York Harbor and Philadelphia were other transshipment points for
coal to New England - it was conceivable that the "NEC&C" could have
used the B&O-RDG-CNJ routing to access these ports, but none of the
vessels employed in this trade in the first two weeks of April 1923 were
owned by the Mystic Steamship Co. or the New England Steamship Co.
predecessor.)

In the 8/25 ORER, there were the following hoppers listed for Koppers.

135 SBPX 15112-15850 30'6" IL, 1,880 CF
550 KOPX 100-750 30'6" IL, 1,880 CF

(SBPX - Seaboard By Product Coke Co.)
(KOPX - Chicago By Product Coke Co. and Koppers Co. - flats only)

In the 7/31 ORER, the following listings for Koppers:

248 SBPX 100-347 30'6" IL, 1,880 CF
99 SBPX 400-498 38,10" IL, 2,546 CF

(SBPX renamed to Koppers Coal Co.)
(KOPX renamed to Koppers Construction Co. - flats only)

The above, however, does not answer your question of what happened to
the NECX #1001-1600 series. Rather than being sold to the B&O, another
possibility was that this series was relegated to some "in-plant"
service at some Koppers' facility - probably facilities more correct.

Sorry I was not more of a help, but Merry Christmas anyway.

Tim


Re: New England Coal & Coke

Ian Cranstone
 

From: Earl Tuson <etuson@...>
Wayner's Freight Car Pictorial has, on page 13, a picture of steel twin hopper
NECX 1184. It is stated on the car side to return when empty to Grantown, WV,
located on the B&O. The 10/1919 ORER shows 600 cars listed for NECX, HM
1001-1600, with 30' IL, 9'5 1/2" IW, 7'3 1/4" IH(!?!,) and 1770 cuft capy.
There it is stated that the cars should be returned when empty to Fairmont,
WV,
only 12 miles from Grantown, also on the B&O. My 7/31 ORER, however, no
longer
shows a listing for NECX. I had suspected these cars may have been sold
second
hand to the B&O, but I cannot identify a series at that listing that would be
a
match. Does anyone know what happened to the NECX cars? New England Coal &
Coke did continue to operate for many more decades, so I don't see a corporate
failure and auction as a possibility, but rather a divestiture of that branch
of the operation.
I had a quick look through my old ORERs to see if I could fine-tune the
disappearance date a little. The upshot is that I see no trace of the NECX
cars in my oldest issue (August 1922), so it seems likely that these cars
found a new home fairly shortly after your 10/19. Since the photo shows a
car built by Cambria Steel in 1912, the cars must have soldiered on for at
least a few more years after 1919.

--
Ian Cranstone
Kanata, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@... (note change: was lamontc@...)


Re: the new year from Sunshine

charles slater
 

Bill that's not all that's coming out next year, I am working on masters for two Santa Fe gondolas,(my 4th and 5th project for Sunshine) which should be out by next summer, and I know of a series of Santa Fe reefers in the works, at least some of which should come out sometime next year. And I am sure Martin has many more things in the works.
Charles Slater
Bakersfield, Ca.


From: "Bill Welch" <bwelch@...>
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] the new year from Sunshine
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 08:44:25 -0500

The new year will bring the following from Sunshine

B&O's M-27 rebuilt with "Mansard" roof at Timonium in January

The little WP (and Saramento Northern) 40 foot double sheathed boxcar 8 foot interionr height in California for Martin's west coast seminars

The Utlx tank car will probably make its premier after a long gestation at Ft Lauderdale for the Train Show associated with the NMRA convention in July.

Martin said that if he lives long enough he reckons he will do every significant freight car of the transition era. Wow!



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New England Coal & Coke

Earl Tuson
 

Wayner's Freight Car Pictorial has, on page 13, a picture of steel twin hopper
NECX 1184. It is stated on the car side to return when empty to Grantown, WV,
located on the B&O. The 10/1919 ORER shows 600 cars listed for NECX, HM
1001-1600, with 30' IL, 9'5 1/2" IW, 7'3 1/4" IH(!?!,) and 1770 cuft capy.
There it is stated that the cars should be returned when empty to Fairmont, WV,
only 12 miles from Grantown, also on the B&O. My 7/31 ORER, however, no longer
shows a listing for NECX. I had suspected these cars may have been sold second
hand to the B&O, but I cannot identify a series at that listing that would be a
match. Does anyone know what happened to the NECX cars? New England Coal &
Coke did continue to operate for many more decades, so I don't see a corporate
failure and auction as a possibility, but rather a divestiture of that branch
of the operation.

Have a great holiday everyone!

Earl Tuson

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Re: the new year from Sunshine

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

Me too. I failed to mention the non Santa Fe gons he is doing, which is a very large release of three different lengths, 40, 45, and 52, for many different railroads.

It is a great time to modeling


Re: War-time FGEX/WFEX/BREX reefers

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

Richard (and Tony)

Thanks for responses to this. I have both of these thanks to Al Hoffman who loaned them to me along with many others, including the builders photos


Re: the new year from Sunshine

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

I apologize if my remarks were viewed as testy, but I have found that with a little nudging, anyhting sunshine has done can be had. It matters greatly how the matter is put. BTW, I got the T&P converstion from him just recently.

My impatience and crankiness was probably based on the fact that I eagerly opened all the responses to my FGEX/WFEX/BREX post only to find there were 2 responses that actually had any imfomation in them, the rest about some digression that had nothing to with anything related to freight cars. If people are going to do that it would be appreciated if they changed the subject heading. I would appreciate even more if they did not do it at all.

Happy holidays to all!


Re: reroofed B&O M-24 USRA SS boxcar

CBarkan@...
 

Richard,

I noticed your reply to Ian's question about whether the B&O's USRA class
M-24 boxcars had original roofs in later years. The answer seems to be no,
but I don't know the details. If one compares the number of panels on most
photos of M-24 boxcars with the USRA plan, you will see that they are
different. I don't exactly when this occurred but I think in the 1930s
sometime, nor do I know the reason or the manufacturer of the replacement
roof.

When I first became aware of this, one theory was that they had originally
been built with a non-standard roof, but there are a few photos from the
early 1920s that show them with a "proper" USRA roof. If you have
photographic or any other evidence about this I would like to know about it.
This is one of those questions that we have been pondering for a number of
years with little to go on except a limited number of photos from various
dates between the 1920s and 1950s.

Chris


In a message dated 12/20/1 8:06:30 PM, rhendrickson@... wrote:

<<Ian Clasper inquires about the roofs on various USRA single-sheathed cars
in later years:

B&O - Original ?
Yes.


Re: 1944 Milw Ribside Boxcar

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

12 seam caps

The 2 end panels are narrow, and are flat. The 11
middle panels have the twin raised stampings.



Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


1944 Milw Ribside Boxcar

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

Hi Guys

Among the many projects that I am progressing in my "Time Between Jobs" is a
kitbash of a Sunshine MILW 1939 ribside boxcar into a 1944 ribside.

I have John Greedy's handout from this year's Naperville Meet as my only
available reference.
(that presentation inspired me to do this conversion)
Can someone advise me on some of the details of the "Murphy Type II double
panel all welded roof". The image on page 13 of the handout is not clear
enough to make out what is happening. Are the seam caps on this roof in the
same position as in in 1939 kit (12 seam caps), or are they the same as the
"Std" Murphy roof (11 seam caps). If the later, what shape are the end
panels ? Are they flat like the like the "Std" Murphy roof , or do the have
a pressed shape ?

The roof detail is the only part that alludes me.

Thanks

Ian Clasper


Re: the new year from Sunshine

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Bill, Martin has produced many limited run, one-show-only kits in
the past. So the question was perfectly reasonable. (A T&P express
boxcar mini-kit he handed out as a gift at one meet sold on Ebay
for well over $30.)

Bill Welch wrote (rather testily)

Since he in business to make money I would assume he will not
want to sell too many. So I assume he will only sell them in
California.

Excuse the irony but goodgrief, sometimes the questions/comments
are too foolish.

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: UTLX Type 21 8,000-gallon cars

byronrose@...
 

On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:24:36 -0500 David Soderblom <drs@...>
writes:
I'm about to start on one of the Life-Like ACF Type 21 8,000-gallon
cars, lettered as UTLX 77340. I'd like to get additional
information on
the details before I start.
<snip>

2. They seemed to prefer an AB brake arrangement with the reservoir
and
AB valve on the same side of the car with the cylinder, and with the
AB
valve on top of the reservoir so that it was above the level of the
running boards.
Dave,

Be aware that AB valves on LifeLike tank cars mount upside down, which is
incorrect. They have them mounted to the top of the running board as if
it were the bottom of a floor. It is a rather easy job to remove the
mounting pin and glue it in place right side up.

There was a rather lengthy discussion about it on another discussion
group where after arguing with me for several days, a certain professor
of some obscure language finally agreed that I was correct and that LL
had indeed made a mistake on the model. One small victory.

And yes, this does seem to be the most common method of converting from
KC to AB on a tank car. It involves less structural modification to the
underframe than any of the other methods. Usually only one cross brace
need be added to one side of the center sill (cantilevered) to carry two
pieces of equipment. They would have done it that way on box cars too,
except the valve thru the floor interfered with fork lifts and load
placements.

BSR


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Re: the new year from Sunshine

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Since he in business to make money I would assume he will not want to sell
too many. So I assume he will only sell them in California.<

Bill, you don't understand. He's selling a limited run item. He, like
many current manufactures have found out, that if you just sell a few items
as limited run you make more money. So like the rest of the model train
manufactures, the resin manufactures are following suit.
And just so some don't think this is serious<VBG>.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
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