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MONON High Speed Merchandise Cars

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

The Red Caboose RC) version of these cars (1937 AAR) is in. There are
six different numbers and I know Jack Hawkins of Hawkins Rail Services,
Lafayette, IN has several of each. They are ready-to-run for $29.95.
They MAY come it kit form, but the savings is only a couple of bucks IF
even offered that way.



These cars are some sort of limited run and I doubt RC will do them
again so you should get them now.



I can vouch for the car numbers that are offered. I provided the car
numbers to RC using photographs to obtain the numbers. It is possible
that there were others, but 6 numbers were all that I could verify.



The paint and lettering are nicely done which is to be expected from RC,
but unfortunately the wrong size herald was applied and it appears that
this affects the location of the dimensional data under the herald.
This obvious defect can be corrected by carefully removing the incorrect
lettering and applying the right decal lettering. The tops of the side
ladders should also be painted white to match the white stripe.
Weathering always helps blend everything together.



The models are equipped with Accurail ASF A-3 ride control trucks which
are correct for cars 9150 and above. Cars 9001 - 9149 had National
B-1trucks. A good choice for replacing these would be the National B-1
trucks offered by Lifelike.



The photos indicate these cars were painted in the High Speed
Merchandise scheme in 1952 and lasted into the mid-1960's when they were
rebuilt. There are many photos of them at the various freight houses
along he Monon, but they were also photographed in general freight
service which means they certainly could easily have wandered off line
to just about anywhere in the US.



Mont Switzer


Re: Roofwalks on Southern PS-1 boxcars

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

"Morton" ?


regards,

Andy Miller

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Roofwalks on Southern PS-1 boxcars

Garth,

Apex "seems" to please most orders; however, you cannot assume
which maker. Take a careful look at overhead shots published in the mags or
books; then compare the proto pix to the different ones available.
Blawknox--Apex---and the one with round holes, which name escapes
me at the moment.

Fred Freitas


Re: PRR Freight Car Color (was PRR BOXCAR RED)

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Jun 24, 2005, at 4:35 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Bill Keene asked:
"I am about ready to apply paint to a Tichy X26 50-ton USRA single
sheathed box car and as this is my first PRR freight car modeling
effort (hard to believe with over 25 years of modeling) I find that
I
am not sure as to what paint color PRR Boxcar Red might be. Can
someone offer suggestions, formulas, etc?"

Some manufacturers aren't sure either! ;-)

What shade to use depends on when the car was repainted. Generally,
cars painted before 1945 were a more orange shade of Freight Car
Color. In the late 1940s, changes in the paint formula resuled in a
darker shade.

My preferences in Polly Scale is Zinc Chromate Primer for the pre-
1945 FCC, and Special Oxide Red for the post-1945 FCC.
My pre-1945 FCC is a 50/50 mix of zinc chromate and special oxide. To my eye it is a perfect match to the Red Caboose early FCC, which has been been called "the gold standard of FCC" on models (too bad they changed it in some of the latest runs...). If you use Greg Martin's +red, +orange panel weathering approach, this gives you the perfect series of paints to do this as the zinc chromate is +orange and the special oxide is +red.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Roofwalks on Southern PS-1 boxcars

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Garth,

Apex "seems" to please most orders; however, you cannot assume which maker. Take a careful look at overhead shots published in the mags or books; then compare the proto pix to the different ones available.
Blawknox--Apex---and the one with round holes, which name escapes me at the moment.

Fred Freitas

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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Roofwalks on Southern PS-1 boxcars


Mark,

AFAIK, all PS-1s had steel running boards, regardless of roads. I
believe they were required to be steel on all new construction by that time.


Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Mark Heiden wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>
>Does anyone know what style of steel roofwalk was used on Southern 40'
>PS-1 boxcars in the series 23487-26486, 3,000 cars built in 1948?
>
>Thanks,
>Mark Heiden
>
>


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Re: PRR Freight Car Color (was PRR BOXCAR RED)

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Jun 24, 2005, at 5:07 AM, Armand Premo wrote:

A couple of my earliest resin models are showing signs of paint
blistering.Obviously they were not thoroughly cleaned to remove all the mold
release medium. Any ideas on how one would go about stripping a resin
model ?Armand Premo
Armand,

A lot depends on the paint you used. The solvent type paint strippers like ELO etc are also pretty good at removing ACC bonds <G> and may affect the resin (although i have no direct experience there. If you used an acrylic paint, I would suggest either 90% ethanol or ammonia (windex). These will strip with a minimum fuss, although you might want to test them on the resin first just to be sure (like somewhere on the underframe). Alternative, a grit blaster can really do this nicely, with no chemicals at all, but you do need to be somewhat careful. Some resins are softer than other and you may blast off rivets etc if you are not careful.



Regards
Bruce

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Re: Roofwalks on Southern PS-1 boxcars

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Mark,

AFAIK, all PS-1s had steel running boards, regardless of roads. I believe they were required to be steel on all new construction by that time.


Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Mark Heiden wrote:

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know what style of steel roofwalk was used on Southern 40' PS-1 boxcars in the series 23487-26486, 3,000 cars built in 1948?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: PRR Freight Car Color (was PRR BOXCAR RED)

armprem
 

A couple of my earliest resin models are showing signs of paint
blistering.Obviously they were not thoroughly cleaned to remove all the mold
release medium. Any ideas on how one would go about stripping a resin
model ?Armand Premo

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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:35 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: PRR Freight Car Color (was PRR BOXCAR RED)


Bill Keene asked:
"I am about ready to apply paint to a Tichy X26 50-ton USRA single
sheathed box car and as this is my first PRR freight car modeling
effort (hard to believe with over 25 years of modeling) I find that
I
am not sure as to what paint color PRR Boxcar Red might be. Can
someone offer suggestions, formulas, etc?"

Some manufacturers aren't sure either! ;-)

What shade to use depends on when the car was repainted. Generally,
cars painted before 1945 were a more orange shade of Freight Car
Color. In the late 1940s, changes in the paint formula resuled in a
darker shade.

My preferences in Polly Scale is Zinc Chromate Primer for the pre-
1945 FCC, and Special Oxide Red for the post-1945 FCC. Other
listers will chime in with what works best with other paint brands.

Whatever you do, don't paint your model any paint labeled "Tuscan
Red." Pennsy modelers may not agree on what's the correct shade of
FCC, but they'll agree on that point.


Ben Hom






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Re: PRR Freight Car Color (was PRR BOXCAR RED)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bill Keene asked:
"I am about ready to apply paint to a Tichy X26 50-ton USRA single
sheathed box car and as this is my first PRR freight car modeling
effort (hard to believe with over 25 years of modeling) I find that
I
am not sure as to what paint color PRR Boxcar Red might be. Can
someone offer suggestions, formulas, etc?"

Some manufacturers aren't sure either! ;-)

What shade to use depends on when the car was repainted. Generally,
cars painted before 1945 were a more orange shade of Freight Car
Color. In the late 1940s, changes in the paint formula resuled in a
darker shade.

My preferences in Polly Scale is Zinc Chromate Primer for the pre-
1945 FCC, and Special Oxide Red for the post-1945 FCC. Other
listers will chime in with what works best with other paint brands.

Whatever you do, don't paint your model any paint labeled "Tuscan
Red." Pennsy modelers may not agree on what's the correct shade of
FCC, but they'll agree on that point.


Ben Hom


PRR BOXCAR RED

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello all,

I am about ready to apply paint to a Tichy X26 50-ton USRA single sheather box car and as this is my first PRR freight car modeling effort (hard to believe with over 25 years of modeling) I find that I am not sure as to what paint color PRR Boxcar Red might be. Can someone offer suggestions, formulas, etc?

Thanks,
-- Bill Keene


Re: 40' fishbelly gondolas

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Ben,

Lots of stuff to stuff into a 40-foot gon. Thanks for the ideas. Must
add a couple of these cars to the collection.

-- Bill Keene

On Jun 23, 2005, at 7:44 PM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

William Keene asked:
"Just wonder what would have been shipped from the Northeast to say...
Tulsa, Okla. The railroad rail load is a good possibility. But nobody
is going to haul sand to Tulsa... just too much of it for the taking
along and in the Arkansas River."

A few sample gon loads from the Northeast to Tulsa could be:

- Other steel shapes or plates
- Structural assemblies (i.e., trusses)
- Petroleum equipment that won't fit inside a boxcar
- Architectural stone (marble, granite, etc.)
- Crated machinery


Ben Hom




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Starwood Scale Rivet kit

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Jim, your comments have me intrigued. Is the idea to apply the droplets after painting the model? I would have guessed that an acrylic drop would need a coat of paint over the surface to add resilience to handling. It strikes me that at best, such drops are only effective for masters for casting?

Rob Kirkham


Re: Georgia & Florida Pulpwood flat & DECALS

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bill Keene wrote:
"THE USUAL WARNING CONCERNING OLDER WALTHERS DECAL SETS... Please
expand on this statement for those of us too old to remember said
warning."

The accuracy of many earlier Walthers decal sets is spotty, with
errors particularly in lettering styles, size, dimensional data, and
lettering diagrams. That being said, some of these sets are the
still the only game in town for certain road names and paint schemes
such as this Georgia & Florida set. In this case, your best bet is
to check the decal set against a prototype photo, use the best
graphics from the set, and replace any inaccurate car data or
reporting marks with material from another set.

To give Walthers credit where credit is due, the last sets issued
before they went out of the decal business in the early 1990s were
very well done and easily on par with contemporary Champ sets (ex:
934-77150, PRR Class X26 USRA SS boxcar; 934-35230, C&O blue and
yellow 1958 Chessie Cat herald).


Ben Hom


Re: 40' fishbelly gondolas

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

William Keene asked:
"Just wonder what would have been shipped from the Northeast to say...
Tulsa, Okla. The railroad rail load is a good possibility. But nobody
is going to haul sand to Tulsa... just too much of it for the taking
along and in the Arkansas River."

A few sample gon loads from the Northeast to Tulsa could be:

- Other steel shapes or plates
- Structural assemblies (i.e., trusses)
- Petroleum equipment that won't fit inside a boxcar
- Architectural stone (marble, granite, etc.)
- Crated machinery


Ben Hom


Re: 40' fishbelly gondolas

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Ben, Bruce, Elden,

Thank you for your responses and comments. Much appreciated.

The reasons for the question is that these are interesting looking cars
and I tend to prefer shorter cars on small layouts. Just wonder what
would have been shipped from the Northeast to say... Tulsa, Okla. The
railroad rail load is a good possibility. But nobody is going to haul
sand to Tulsa... just too much of it for the taking along and in the
Arkansas River.

Again, thanks,
-- Bill Keene

On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:29 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Bill Keene asked:
"What would have been the service for such a short gon? [NYC lots 507-
G, 508-G, 509-G, 519-G, 526-G, 527-G, 528-G, 529-G, and 573-G.] And
would that service include interchange with those roads in the Middle
West Country?"

With an IL of 41 ft 6 in, these gons aren't overly short at all.
They would have been used for typical gon loads; additionally, those
with drop doors would have been used in coal and other mineral
service.  I don't see why they wouldn't have been interchaged as any
other Northeastern gon.

Unfortunately, I don't have any photos of these cars, but I haven't
really looked yet.  I'll have to add this one to the research list,
as I do think that this would be a worthwhile project for a resin
manufacturer.


Ben Hom




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Re: Georgia & Florida Pulpwood flat & DECALS

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Ben

THE USUAL WARNING CONCERNING OLDER WALTHERS DECAL SETS... Please expand
on this statement for those of us too old to remember said warning.

Thanks,
-- Bill Keene

On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:18 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Matt Strickland wrote:
"Also does anyone know where I can get Georgia & Florida DECALS?"

I replied:
"The only Georgia & Florida HO scale decal set that I know of is a
Walthers general freight car set that is long out of production. 
I'll post the stock number after I get home from work tonight."

There were actually two Walthers HO scale decal sets.
The "Combination Freight, Steam Era" set is 934-45001.  Walthers
also had a set lettering the green with white stripe and "Fast
Dependable Service" heralds for the Georgia & Florida 50 ft PS-1,
old stock number 45-11.  Unfortunately, they sized this for a 40 ft
boxcar.  The good news is that this set includes older reporting
marks and heralds, including the triangle herald.  (The usual
warning concerning older Walthers decal sets applies.) Both sets are
out of production; keep your eyes open on eBay, as Walthers decal
sets turn up regularly there.


Ben Hom




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Live Poultry Cars

gary laakso
 

I have a couple of Overland Models to paint. Does anyone have any suggestions on painting and handling the screens and where to obtain decals?

gary laakso
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Roofwalks on Southern PS-1 boxcars

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know what style of steel roofwalk was used on Southern 40'
PS-1 boxcars in the series 23487-26486, 3,000 cars built in 1948?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: C&IM hoppers offline?

rrhistorian
 

Hello all,

I have several photographs of two 50-ton twin-bay cars that are owned
by the Illinois Railway Musuem but are stored off site pending
fundraising to pay for their movement and track space. They are rare
survivors as I only know of a few cars of this type remaining anywhere.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~tcornill/Historic_Railway_Equipment.html

In addition to photographs, I also have several links to other
information about shipping coal and scans of Equipment Register
listings for the C&IM.

Tom Cornillie


Re: Live Poultry Cars

rrhistorian
 

Hello all,

Does anybody know if any of these cars survive in any form? Perhaps
as a stationary chicken coop somewhere?

Tom Cornillie


Re: double sheathed & single sheathed - most common in the early 1950s???

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

The number of cars originally built was very close; 25,000 for single
sheathed, 24,500 for double sheathed.
And for those keeping score, the "missing" 500 double-sheathed boxes were built as FEC 17001-17500 ventilators by SSC in May 1920 (see Westerfield #6300s).

David Thompson

153041 - 153060 of 195499