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Re: 40' fishbelly gondolas

Larry Kline
 

Eric Hansmann asked:
How about pipe? I guess this qualifies as "other steel shapes or plates", but it seems different enough to note it. How much tube went from the NE to the oil fields of Texas and Oklahoma?

Which brings up another question...What was a typical length of pipe? I seem to recall images of this load in 40' and longer gondolas.
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I have been looking at photos of pipe loads for a talk I'll be giving at the NMRA convention in Cincinnati next week. All of the photos I have from the eastern US show the pipe loads in 46ft and 52ft 6in IL gondolas. This is true even in some cases where the pipe looks like it is short enough to fit into a 41ft 6in IL gondola. This may have to do with capacity. 40ft IL gons are typically 50 ton cars, while 46ft and 52ft 6in IL are typically 70 ton cars.

Tony Thompson mentions, in SP freight cars Vol. 3, that the SP usually used flat cars for loads of large diameter pipe after WWII. There are a number of photos in SP freight cars Vol. 3 of pipe loads on flat cars.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: ACF tank car book - question

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Rob,

This is what I found in the ORER / 1953

NOTE > all gallon figures are Imperial Gallons

DSLX Can. & Dominion Sugar 4---8000 50t
1---10,200 50t

CLOX Can. Linseed Oil Mills 2---8000 30t

HACX Can. Packers 3---8028 50t
1---8295 50t

CSTX Can. Starch 1---5000 30t
3---7000 50t
5---8000 50t

CAEX Can. Arsenals 1---6797 50t
1---6799 50t
1---6707 50t

CBX Can. Breweries 2---8000 50t

CILX Can. Industries Ltd # Class
45 ARA V
19 ICC105
8 ICC105A500W
18 ICC103A
8 ICC103B
1 ICC103CW
25 ICC105A300
2 ICC106A500
9 AAR201A335W

None listed for CN or CP

Not that sure of tank cars & metric system; hopr these give you a start.

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Kirkham
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:54 AM
Subject: [STMFC] ACF tank car book - question


Ed, I see you were able to provide some roster information to answer (at least in part) Brian Chapman's question. So I am wondering, do you have access to other roster information that is accessible? If so, in what way is it accessible? For what years? I'm thinking about sales to Canadian customers: tracking that would assist us tremendously. But I expect I am asking for something that really is impossible/impracticable. I have no desire to burden you with my research needs, so no sweat if it isn't to be had. Still, no harm in asking....

Rob Kirkham





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Re: Further comments on Live Poultry cars

Eric
 

Is anyone able to comment if shippers and railroads ever had any load shrinkage problems due to
pilferage with these cars during yard layovers near La Grange Texas during the 1930s?

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ACF tank car book - question

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Ed, I see you were able to provide some roster information to answer (at least in part) Brian Chapman's question. So I am wondering, do you have access to other roster information that is accessible? If so, in what way is it accessible? For what years? I'm thinking about sales to Canadian customers: tracking that would assist us tremendously. But I expect I am asking for something that really is impossible/impracticable. I have no desire to burden you with my research needs, so no sweat if it isn't to be had. Still, no harm in asking....

Rob Kirkham


Re: C&IM hoppers offline?

Geoffrey Barbier
 

Thank you to everyone who helped answer my question!

Geoffrey Barbier
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Re: PRR Freight Car Color (was PRR BOXCAR RED)

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello all,

A big THANK YOU to those that have responded to my request. The
responses were both informative and educational and are much
appreciated.

-- Bill Keene


On Jun 24, 2005, at 8:12 PM, pennsylvania1954 wrote:

Bill and Mont:   Ben and Greg gave good advice as always.  Here are a
couple of other paints to start with:

Scalecoat II:  PRR Freight Car Red

Modelflex:  Light Tuscan Oxide Red

I don't who thought up this name at Modelflex, but it is the one (and
only!!) paint with "Tuscan" in the name which can be used on a PRR
freight car.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL
>
> Bill Keene asked:
> "I am about ready to apply paint to a Tichy X26 50-ton USRA single
> sheathed box car and as this is my first PRR freight car modeling
> effort (hard to believe with over 25 years of modeling) I find that
> I
> am not sure as to what paint color PRR Boxcar Red might be. Can
> someone offer suggestions, formulas, etc?"
>





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Re: Pipe (Was: 40' fishbelly gondolas)

Brian Termunde
 

As far as that goes, would anyone know what would be an appropriate size for
a natural gas pipeline in the early 1950's. I just saw that there was a
natural gas pipeline built in the early 1950's across the route of my rail line,
and thought that it would make for an interesting scene, as well as adding
some (needed) traffic to my GCR. TIA!

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District

In a message dated 6/24/2005 7:12:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
ehansmann@... writes:

How about pipe? I guess this qualifies as "other steel shapes or plates",
but it seems different enough to note it. How much tube went from the NE to the
oil fields of Texas and Oklahoma?

Which brings up another question...What was a typical length of pipe? I seem
to recall images of this load in 40' and longer gondolas.


Re: Roofwalks on Southern PS-1 boxcars

mike turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...>
 

According to the SRHA 40' steel boxcar book, all PS-1s had Morton running boards. This was SOU standard until the 60s when they became unavailable.

The standards were wood walks and Alan Wood (AW) Super Diamond 5/16 steel brake steps through 1939. During and after 1940, Morton steel walks and brake steps were the standard.

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC


Re: Further comments on Live Poultry cars

montydogsdad2 <artgriffindecals@...>
 

Thanx John,

I did a google search for this issue and got a link right off(
better than normal searches).

http://www.ucpress.edu/journals/ah/shop.htm

The cost was $13 including postage.Sent to your address, rather than
electronic.

Looking forward to reading the article.

Art Griffin


















--- In STMFC@..., "John Swanson" <dwlscbq@i...> wrote:
From the thread comments, I strongly suggest you get the article
Home to Roost. I can now see it is even more complete in a concise
form than I had thought.


Howard Faley has told me that, before he was drafted and went to
Korea; the ICRR used to have a Live poultry car that the east local
would initially set out on the team at Galena, Illinois, the next
day it would be taken to the team at Scales Mound Illinois, and
finally set out at Lena Ill on the team there for final loading..
The farmers would bring their chickens to the car at the various
locations as the arrival fates of the car would be let known in some
manner.
After Lena, the car was handled to Freeport and then put on a
through job for the East.

I am (very) slowly beginning to find bits of data on these cars
and on the "pickle cars". Both were far more common that I had ever
imagined.
Gad, is this hobby facinating.

John Swanson


Re: MONON High Speed Merchandise Cars

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Frank,

Thanks for the info. It is my opinion that for $3.00 less it is quicker
to UNDO their assembly than to build UP the kit unless you need to
change a lot of details.

Now if they were $14.95 that might be a different story.

Mont Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Park Varieties
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 6:26 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MONON High Speed Merchandise Cars

Cars are also offered as kits for $26.95 MSRP in same six car nunbers as
the RTR cars.
Frank Brua
----- Original Message -----
From: Montford Switzer
To: MONON SOCIETY ; STEAM ERA FREIGHT CAR
Cc: JACK HAWKINS
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] MONON High Speed Merchandise Cars


The Red Caboose RC) version of these cars (1937 AAR) is in. There are
six different numbers and I know Jack Hawkins of Hawkins Rail
Services,
Lafayette, IN has several of each. They are ready-to-run for $29.95.
They MAY come it kit form, but the savings is only a couple of bucks
IF
even offered that way.



These cars are some sort of limited run and I doubt RC will do them
again so you should get them now.



I can vouch for the car numbers that are offered. I provided the car
numbers to RC using photographs to obtain the numbers. It is possible
that there were others, but 6 numbers were all that I could verify.



The paint and lettering are nicely done which is to be expected from
RC,
but unfortunately the wrong size herald was applied and it appears
that
this affects the location of the dimensional data under the herald.
This obvious defect can be corrected by carefully removing the
incorrect
lettering and applying the right decal lettering. The tops of the
side
ladders should also be painted white to match the white stripe.
Weathering always helps blend everything together.



The models are equipped with Accurail ASF A-3 ride control trucks
which
are correct for cars 9150 and above. Cars 9001 - 9149 had National
B-1trucks. A good choice for replacing these would be the National
B-1
trucks offered by Lifelike.



The photos indicate these cars were painted in the High Speed
Merchandise scheme in 1952 and lasted into the mid-1960's when they
were
rebuilt. There are many photos of them at the various freight houses
along he Monon, but they were also photographed in general freight
service which means they certainly could easily have wandered off line
to just about anywhere in the US.



Mont Switzer













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Re: Roofwalks on Southern PS-1 boxcars

mike turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...>
 

According to the SRHA 40' steel boxcar book, all had Morton running boards. This was SOU standard until the mid 50s.

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC


Re: ACF tank car book - question

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Brian,

The best way to dig out info might be to go to the NMRA website, and order the 1953 ORER.
All the private owners are in the book, as well as the specs. for equipment operated. Don't know of a web address that has this type info stored.

Fred Freitas

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Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:01 AM
Subject: [STMFC] ACF tank car book - question


Brian, I don't think the book has any of the information you are looking for. For one thing, the end date is 1955, which was selected, among other reasons, as tank car production changed then to designs without underframes. Second, a quick flip through shows no photos in the 19k gal range except some very modern 19,500 gallon cars built apparently as the book was being written. Finally, the book does not provide a list of owners.

Rob Kirkham





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Re: ACF tank car book - question

Ed Hawkins
 

On Friday, June 24, 2005, at 07:54 PM, Brian Chapman wrote:

I have drawings; what I'm after is a list of owners. For instance, I
have not yet come across any private company owners. I'd sure like to
know if Kaminsky's book includes roster information for these tankers.
I'll order one quickly, if it does.
Brian,
The book does not include rosters. The following is a roster of these
cars built from 6/53-8/57. That's as late as I go for tank cars, so if
any cars were built after this time.
CP 389120-389184
CGW 252-253
UP 70000-70199
GN X1375-X1399
CGW 269-278
NP 103000-103049
GN X1400-X1424
CGW 279-293
GM&O 1800-1809

There's also an order for lot 5318 circa 1959, but I don't know the
customer.

As I recall there was some discussion about these cars a couple of
years ago on this list. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


ACF tank car book - question

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Brian, I don't think the book has any of the information you are looking for. For one thing, the end date is 1955, which was selected, among other reasons, as tank car production changed then to designs without underframes. Second, a quick flip through shows no photos in the 19k gal range except some very modern 19,500 gallon cars built apparently as the book was being written. Finally, the book does not provide a list of owners.

Rob Kirkham


Re: PRR Freight Car Color (was PRR BOXCAR RED)

pennsylvania1954
 

Bill and Mont: Ben and Greg gave good advice as always. Here are a
couple of other paints to start with:

Scalecoat II: PRR Freight Car Red

Modelflex: Light Tuscan Oxide Red

I don't who thought up this name at Modelflex, but it is the one (and
only!!) paint with "Tuscan" in the name which can be used on a PRR
freight car.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Bill Keene asked:
"I am about ready to apply paint to a Tichy X26 50-ton USRA single
sheathed box car and as this is my first PRR freight car modeling
effort (hard to believe with over 25 years of modeling) I find that
I
am not sure as to what paint color PRR Boxcar Red might be. Can
someone offer suggestions, formulas, etc?"


ACF tank car book - question

Brian Chapman <cornbeltroute@...>
 

A question about the content of Ed Kaminsky's ACF tank car book, if
someone who owns a copy wouldn't mind.

I'm collecting as much information as I can find about the mid-1950s
19k gal., 49-foot long (or thereabout) tank that made appearances on
several roads in company service, ATSF, UP (O-70-1), MKT, CB&Q, GN,
CGW, among others. Also, these served as fuel tenders in recent years
on the UP and BN, I believe.

I have drawings; what I'm after is a list of owners. For instance, I
have not yet come across any private company owners. I'd sure like to
know if Kaminsky's book includes roster information for these tankers.
I'll order one quickly, if it does.

Also, I'll jump on any other leads that are suggested.

Thanks much,

Brian

Brian Chapman
Granger Roads
Evansdale, Iowa


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Re: Roofwalks on Southern PS-1 boxcars

Mark Heiden
 

Hi Allen,

Yep, that does help! Thank you!

Mark Heiden


--- In STMFC@..., "Allen Cain" <allencain@c...> wrote:
Mark,

I am looking at the fine work by George Eichelberger
titled "Southern
Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs - Volume 1, Book 1 - 40'
All-Steel Box Cars" which I really recommend if you are doing
detail
modeling of Southern box cars. I note this as I am NOT an expert
on running
boards but only off this to help.

On page 146 reference is made to "steel Morton products
longitudinal and
latitudinal running boards (roof walks)."

On page 156 there is a detailed drawing of the running boards also
referencing Morton as the supplier. On this drawing it shows a
close up of
the boards showing an arrangement of larger circles surrounded by
six
smaller circles.

I hope this helps.

Allen Cain


Re: 40' fishbelly gondolas

ehansmann@...
 

Ben Hom wrote:

A few sample gon loads from the Northeast to Tulsa could be:

- Other steel shapes or plates
- Structural assemblies (i.e., trusses)
- Petroleum equipment that won't fit inside a boxcar
- Architectural stone (marble, granite, etc.)
- Crated machinery
================================



How about pipe? I guess this qualifies as "other steel shapes or plates", but it seems different enough to note it. How much tube went from the NE to the oil fields of Texas and Oklahoma?

Which brings up another question...What was a typical length of pipe? I seem to recall images of this load in 40' and longer gondolas.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Re: offal cars

Charles Morrill <badlands@...>
 

The SP used steel GS gons for the bones (with some meat still attached) from the El Paso slaughter houses in the late 1950s. I doubt that the cars were dedicated service since they could be easily hosed out afterwards.
Charlie

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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] offal cars


Ed - CP cut down Fowler box cars to gons for this "service". - Al


Re: Roofwalks on Southern PS-1 boxcars

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Mark,

I am looking at the fine work by George Eichelberger titled "Southern
Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs - Volume 1, Book 1 - 40'
All-Steel Box Cars" which I really recommend if you are doing detail
modeling of Southern box cars. I note this as I am NOT an expert on running
boards but only off this to help.

On page 146 reference is made to "steel Morton products longitudinal and
latitudinal running boards (roof walks)."

On page 156 there is a detailed drawing of the running boards also
referencing Morton as the supplier. On this drawing it shows a close up of
the boards showing an arrangement of larger circles surrounded by six
smaller circles.

I hope this helps.

Allen Cain

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