Oh, poop! I was expecting to drop by his store when I was on my mandatory visit with the relatives this September. Can anyone recommend any other decent hobby shops in the area? The three I know of in central New Hampshire are pretty bad.

Isn't there something in Rutland?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Richard Dermody wrote:

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me what type, size and details etc of pulpwood cars
the SOUTHERN were using circa 1954?

More importantly can anyone then go on to recommend a suitable HO
model that is available that I could use to replicate them?

thanks in advance

MATT

Dick,

Thanks for the unhappy news, guess that's what you get for not going to the LHS every month!
Now I'll have to haul over to NY to the last 2 shops in the 50 mile zone.
All the donations to Mr Cook's retirement over the past 8 years was money well spent, no complaints. Surprises me that they WANT to resettle above 45 deg. No. Lat.; it's cold enough at this end of the state! Must be more modelers in the Burlington & Essex Jct. area. I wish them well.

Fred Freitas

Max Carey wrote -

Thanks for the information. For the reasons you gave, a Canadian
open hopper in the USA must have been a rarity. I can't imagine what
kinds of freight would have moved from Canada to the USA in open
hoppers.


Max,

Iron ore is one example. Unit trains of open hoppers carried iron ore from northern Ontario to steel mills near Pittsburgh.
These unit trains consisted of hundreds of CN, Ontario Northland and Canada Southern open triple hoppers. But this was after the period of this group, from 1965 to 1971 .

Another example - in the west during the steam era, CP open top coal gons carried coal accross the border from the many large coal mines in the Crows Nest Pass of the Rockies.

In 1950, CN imported from the US 1.5 million tons of bituminous coal while CP imported 1.6 million tons. This was imported from PA and Ohio into southern Ontario and Manitoba. The further west and east regions of Canada were both self-suffient with coal reserves.

Hope this helps.
John Riddell

Mark,

What you see in the photo is the brake rod running between the two brake
levers connected to the trucks and to the brake lever under the b end
slope sheet. The USRA hoppers had the air line running just below the
side sheets on the right side of the car, the side away from the brake
wheel.

Doug Brown

Bill,
If you are going to create your own cards and send the files to a printer you would need to set up your files as CMYK not RGB. Preferrably in Adobe Illustrator not Photoshop or Quark Express. The RGB color space is primarily for computer monitors and Lambda photo printers. Neither is capable of holding an exact Pantone color match. As Adrian stated give them a PMS number color match or better yet ask for thier Pantone book and pick the color your self. If you pick a PMS color from the monitor it is still transmitted light not real ink.
You could also show them a sample of the color from a kit that you feel is a close match.
Rob Manley
Disgruntled Printer and model maker
Somewhere in South Holland, IL

Bill,

Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a large supply of
kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship anywhere, try
802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!

Fred Freitas / Pres
New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
Bennington, Vt.

Fred,

Too late.

Caboose Corner has been sold. They had a final sale that ended July 3rd and
are scheduled to close on the property tomorrow, July 13th.

John (not Bob) and Sally will be moving to the Northeast Kingdom, where
they'll build a new home. Rutland caboose 36 will be going with them.

Sorry you missed the final sale - John would have welcomed your additions to
his retirement fund, especially now that he's really retired (for the
moment, anyway).

Dick

I'll check with the Caboose Corner. All I need are roofwalk supports
since the car has the PS-1 roof. I believe they were offered by
Molco separately. Thanks to all.

Bill McCoy
Jax

--- In STMFC@..., "armand" <armprem@s...> wrote:

Fred,I thought Caboose Corner had closed,Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred in Vt." <pennsy@s...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Bill,

Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a

large

supply of kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship

anywhere,

try

802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!

Fred Freitas / Pres
New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
Bennington, Vt.
----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Groff
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car


Bill,

Are you thinking of the Molco roof? It is a 50' diagonal panel

type, and

not at all suitable for a PS-1. Intermountain roofs,

underframe and

ladder/brake detail parts are available in some shops in four

packs (try

Caboose Corner in Bellows Falls, I think he will take phone

orders and

ship). If not, you can order directly from Intermountain by

phone.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Bill McCoy wrote:

>Mark, Thanks. I'll go with the MILW 29000s with the side sill

mods.

>Any suggestion for a picture source? Also there was an outfit

that

>advertised roofs and separate roofwalk supports which I'll

need.

>This was recent and the roof got good reviews and the company

name

>has left me. Anyone got any idea who it is?
>
>Bill McCoy
>Jax
>
>--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Heiden"

<mark_heiden@h...> wrote:

>
>
>>Hi Bill,
>>
>>According to the NEB&W website, 40' PS-1 boxcars were still

in

>>production after 1966. In 1966 Atlantic Coast Line received

800

>>cars, in 1967 Seaboard Coast Line received 950 cars, and in

1968,

>>the final year listed for 40' PS-1 construction, the

Milwaukee

>>received 25 cars. However, all of these cars were built with
>>
>>
>single
>
>
>>doors.
>>
>>The Milwaukee did have 40' PS-1s with combination doors,

series

>>29000-29499, 500 cars built 1958. A solid side sill ran the
>>
>>
>length
>
>
>>of the car, with a drop section spanning from bolster to

bolster.

>>
>>
>I
>
>
>>couldn't find a reference to such a Rock Island car.
>>
>>Unfortunately, I don't think there is a ready prototype for

your

>>car, but side sills can be modified with strip styrene.
>>
>>Mark Heiden
>>
>>--- In STMFC@..., "Bill McCoy" <bugsy451@c...>

wrote:

>>
>>
>>>I picked up a McKean Master Series undecorated 40' PS-1
>>>
>>>
>>combination
>>
>>
>>>plug and sliding door box car kit in April. The car has an

8'

>>>youmgstown silding door and a 7' smooth riveted plug door.

There

>>>
>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>cast on door stops for the plug and sliding door and

complete

>>>
>>>
>15'
>
>
>>>door tracks. The sides are welded. The ends are 5-4 with the
>>>
>>>
>small
>
>
>>>horizontal rib at the top and the 6 vertical ribs below the

roof

>>>walk. It has the riveted seam between the upper and lower

end

>>>halves. The roof is the PS-1 roof but with out roofwalk

supports

>>>which may make this car too modern for this group but it's

hard

>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>imagine a 40' box after 1966 when roofwalks started

dissapearing

>>>from new cars. The side sills tabs appear to be PS-1 at the
>>>
>>>
>>bolsters
>>
>>
>>>and there is a side sill reinforcement running the length

of the

>>>
>>>
>>15'
>>
>>
>>>door opening.
>>>
>>>A couple of months ago I posted to the group and got a

number of

>>>responses but still didn't get an exact match for the car

so I'm

>>>trying again. The Milwaukee and Rock Island were close but

still

>>>have differences in side sill detail and I believe are ACF

cars.

>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for any help identifying this car.
>>>
>>>Bill McCoy
>>>Jax
>>>
>>>
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Actually the discussion and pictures are on the Citrus Yahoo group.
Look under BAR or contact me odff line and I will fill any one in.

Bill McCoy
Jax

--- In STMFC@..., Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@s...> wrote:

asychis@a... wrote:

So Mike, will you specifically rule on the BAR reefers? I'd like

to

see the
discussion continue, but is this off limits?

Jerry,

The discussion has continued on the Baby Boomer 's FC List.

Tim Gilbert

Mike,
Thank you. Will spend 3 weeks in August at a secret location making
a drawing of a Bucyrus 75-ton crane. Wonder what differences there
were between 75-ton version and 100-ton version.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., Mike Aufderheide <mononinmonon@y...>
wrote:

Gene,

The derrick is likely SWD 1. <snip>

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

--- bierglaeser <bierglaeser@y...> wrote:

I recently acquired a small photo that shows a MONON
Bucyrus crane, the
kind with the 'fishbelly' side sills & arch bar
trucks. <snip>
Gene Green

Gene,

The derrick is likely SWD 1. The following is
information I have from a MOW dept. report written
June 8, 1946:

Car No.: SWD #1
Kind: Wrecking Derrick.
Underframe: Steel.
Body: Steel.
Trucks: 7 x 12 [journals]
CI&L acquired: new 1912.
Notes:
-Capacity 100 tons.
-8 wheel trucks [?]
-Self propelled.
-Equipped with electric lights furnished by Pyle
National generator.
-Manufactured by Bucyrus Co., Milwaukee Wis.

It was first numbered X-1. Renumbered to SWD 1 prior
to mid 30's. Renumbered to 80001 mid 50's. I'm
relatively sure it lasted until the end (1971). I
have the diagram for it as well if you want it. The
diagram lists the serial number as #1452. I think this
derrick was stationed at Shops and the other (150 ton)
derrick was at Bloomington. Mont?!?!?

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide



--- bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

I recently acquired a small photo that shows a MONON
Bucyrus crane, the
kind with the 'fishbelly' side sills & arch bar
trucks. According to
the information available to me this was Bucyrus
serial number 182
delivered in May or June 1912. The crane had a
100-ton capacity.

Is the foregoing correct? Did the Monon number this
crane? If yes,
what number? When was it retired? What color was
it painted? My
photo show the crane lettered "MONON" along the
bottom edge of the
cab. Approximately when would or could this
lettering have been first
applied?
Thanks in advance to all who have info and respond.
Gene Green

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Hello everyone,

I'm working on a model of the Delaware & Hudson rebuilt panel-side
USRA hoppers, and I have some questions regarding certain details.
These cars, rebuilt around 1938, were in the number series 3221-
4200. There is only one photo that I am aware of, and it is in the
pay side of the NEB&W website. For those who subscribe, it can be
found at:

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/D&H/D&H-blister-panel-
USRA.jpg

My questions are:

1. When looking at the B-end of the car, the brake cylinder is on
the left, and the air tank is on the right. Where should the triple
valve be located, and should it face to one side of the car, or to
the back?

2. Should each hopper have a door lock? Unfortunately, I don't know
what kind of locks the prototype had.

3. When viewing the car from the side, should there be a brake line
running between the hopper be visible? (as, for example, this B&O
car:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo347988as.jpg )

4. What color would these hoppers have been painted? What is a good
paint match, preferably water based?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

I recently acquired a small photo that shows a MONON Bucyrus crane, the
kind with the 'fishbelly' side sills & arch bar trucks. According to
the information available to me this was Bucyrus serial number 182
delivered in May or June 1912. The crane had a 100-ton capacity.

Is the foregoing correct? Did the Monon number this crane? If yes,
what number? When was it retired? What color was it painted? My
photo show the crane lettered "MONON" along the bottom edge of the
cab. Approximately when would or could this lettering have been first
applied?
Thanks in advance to all who have info and respond.
Gene Green

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and <mailto:50s-usa-subscribe@...>
pbb

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I saw a similar use for tank cars at the Philip Hunt headquarters in
Palisades Park, NJ about 25 years ago.

The tracks leading to the plant were removed but at least some of the
cars were still on tracks.

Ed

Ever had a deal on 10 cars in a package because you wanted all
different numbers? No more layout to use them all? How about this
solution:

http://www.f15.parsimony.net/forum25608/messages/549159.htm

Manfred

Scott Chatfield wrote:

One of the worst terms that modelers have picked up (right behind "friction bearings", an oxymoron) is "chemical tankcar." It's so generic that it's meaningless. And I put the blame squarely at the feet of Uncle Irv Athearn, who labeled his somewhat misproportioned pressure tank as a "chemical tank." So what's the problem, you ask? Most of what we think of as "chemicals" travel in non-pressure tanks, for one thing.

But petroleum products, the main "non-chemical" category in the 1950s, didn't travel in pressure tanks, so an argument can be made that the pressure tanks are indeed describable as "chemical" tanks, even though many chemicals traveled in non-pressure cars.

But here is one little figure to keep in mind: before 1950 something like 90% of tankcar loads were petroleum related . . . So you pre-1960 guys need lots of plain-jane uninsulated ICC-103 tanks to haul refinery products (regular gasoline, kerosenes, diesel, fuel oil, and lube oils), plus a few insulated ICC-103/104s for high-volitile liquids like av gas and ICC-105 pressure tanks for propane, and only a relatively few tanks for non-petroleum products.

Excellent summary, Scott. Today's tank car world is very different from the 1950s. Those interested in reading more can look at the UTLX history ("Rockefeller's Secret Weapon") and learn about UTL mulling over whether to get into chemical shipping in the 1950s.

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Fred,I thought Caboose Corner had closed,Armand Premo

Guys;
Aside from the Trix car, which I think is about 6k (?) gals in capacity,
and would be very useful for small shipments of chlorine, you could also
use the MTB models ICC 106 multi-tank model in HO, for a plant that
required separate tanks be used at different locations within the plant,
like at some water treatment plants.

There is also a mid-late-50's-era larger ICC 105-W ~10.5k (?) pressure
tank that used to made for AHM (and others) that would be useful for
larger shipments. The model needs a lot of work, but can be enhanced by
those motivated to do so. The new Atlas 11k 105 is also useful for
chlorine, although again, it would be for large shipments. However, all
of the stenciling I have been able to read has not indicated a lot of
chlorine shipment in these large cars. I do not know the reasons why.

Caustic soda could have been shipped in 103's, and also 103 with liners,
or 103A-W's, potentially due to its corrosive nature. If caustic soda
was as corrosive as some have indicated, I would imagine that some
lessors would not have been thrilled with the idea of leasing one of
their new 103-W's in this service, at least over the long haul. They
may have given them their old cars, like they did for the coal tar, and
other industries that ruined the cars for other uses. The A-W was an
acid service car (primarily sulphuric) that had a small done, and would
thus, look pretty neat in a string of otherwise unremarkable 103-W's.

I hope someone models one of these, so we can all see it!

Elden

Last week I posted a notice that I would once again host an informal
gathering for rivet counters, er a Prototype Modelers Saturday, August
27 here in Fairfax County, VA, having hosted similar successful
gathering about three years ago. We would go from about 9 AM until 3
PM. The first time I did this we had about 15 people come.

So far I have only heard from about 4 people, one of whom is talking
about driving down from Connecticut. I am already thinking about some
presentation possibilities, but don't want to go much further until I
can discern if we will have a similar or better turn out this time.

So please contact me offline at bwelch@... if you think you can
make it.

Bill Welch