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Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Central N.H.?? There's Perkins Road Depot in Londonderry, but
that's in southern N.H.

Oh, poop! I was expecting to drop by his store when I was on my
mandatory visit with the relatives this September. Can anyone recommend
any other decent hobby shops in the area? The three I know of in central
New Hampshire are pretty bad.

Isn't there something in Rutland?

Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff


Re: Dupont Paint Colors

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jul 13, 2005, at 7:39 AM, al_brown03 wrote:

I'd like to match the same color in Floquil.

-- thanks --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "paulbizier" <pa.bizier@v...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me what the DuPont paint code would be for "Dupont
Tufcote Metallic Brown" - mandatory freight car content - this color
was specified on many SAL box cars... Also, what's the closest match,
preferably in Scalecoat.

TIA,
Paul
Using the chart from RP Cyc (I can't remember the volume and mine aren't unpacked from the move yet, but I think it's Vol. 3) the SAL freight car color was a 50/50 mix of Floquil Box Car and Oxide Reds.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
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Re: SOUTHERN Pulpwood Flats circa 1954

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Matt,

See if you can find a copy of Kalmbach's old book RAILROADS YOU CAN MODEL. There were two, and one had an article on the Graham County Railway. In that is an end view of a Southern wood rack. It appears to have dreadnaught ends, apparently forming the end wall of a box structure. V-deck, of course. These will have to be strictly scratchbuilt, and I don't know for sure if they would fit your era.

Southern was also still using some truss-rod flats with wooden bulkhead ends in the early 1950s. I have seen one photo.

I think you should contact one of the Southern historical societies.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

matthewjstrickland wrote:

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me what type, size and details etc of pulpwood cars the SOUTHERN were using circa 1954?

More importantly can anyone then go on to recommend a suitable HO model that is available that I could use to replicate them?

thanks in advance

MATT





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Re: Dupont Paint Colors

al_brown03
 

I'd like to match the same color in Floquil.

-- thanks --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "paulbizier" <pa.bizier@v...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me what the DuPont paint code would be for "Dupont
Tufcote Metallic Brown" - mandatory freight car content - this color
was specified on many SAL box cars... Also, what's the closest match,
preferably in Scalecoat.

TIA,
Paul


Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Oh, poop! I was expecting to drop by his store when I was on my mandatory visit with the relatives this September. Can anyone recommend any other decent hobby shops in the area? The three I know of in central New Hampshire are pretty bad.

Isn't there something in Rutland?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Richard Dermody wrote:

Bill,

Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a large supply of
kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship anywhere, try
802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!

Fred Freitas / Pres
New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
Bennington, Vt.
Fred,

Too late.

Caboose Corner has been sold. They had a final sale that ended July 3rd and
are scheduled to close on the property tomorrow, July 13th.

John (not Bob) and Sally will be moving to the Northeast Kingdom, where
they'll build a new home. Rutland caboose 36 will be going with them.

Sorry you missed the final sale - John would have welcomed your additions to
his retirement fund, especially now that he's really retired (for the
moment, anyway).

Dick



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SOUTHERN Pulpwood Flats circa 1954

matt
 

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me what type, size and details etc of pulpwood cars
the SOUTHERN were using circa 1954?

More importantly can anyone then go on to recommend a suitable HO
model that is available that I could use to replicate them?

thanks in advance

MATT


Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Dick,

Thanks for the unhappy news, guess that's what you get for not going to the LHS every month!
Now I'll have to haul over to NY to the last 2 shops in the 50 mile zone.
All the donations to Mr Cook's retirement over the past 8 years was money well spent, no complaints. Surprises me that they WANT to resettle above 45 deg. No. Lat.; it's cold enough at this end of the state! Must be more modelers in the Burlington & Essex Jct. area. I wish them well.

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Dermody
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car


> Bill,
>
> Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a large supply of
> kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship anywhere, try
> 802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
> I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!
>
> Fred Freitas / Pres
> New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
> Bennington, Vt.

Fred,

Too late.

Caboose Corner has been sold. They had a final sale that ended July 3rd and
are scheduled to close on the property tomorrow, July 13th.

John (not Bob) and Sally will be moving to the Northeast Kingdom, where
they'll build a new home. Rutland caboose 36 will be going with them.

Sorry you missed the final sale - John would have welcomed your additions to
his retirement fund, especially now that he's really retired (for the
moment, anyway).

Dick



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Re: Canadian open hoppers in USA

John Riddell <jriddell@...>
 

Max Carey wrote -

Thanks for the information. For the reasons you gave, a Canadian
open hopper in the USA must have been a rarity. I can't imagine what
kinds of freight would have moved from Canada to the USA in open
hoppers.


Max,

Iron ore is one example. Unit trains of open hoppers carried iron ore from northern Ontario to steel mills near Pittsburgh.
These unit trains consisted of hundreds of CN, Ontario Northland and Canada Southern open triple hoppers. But this was after the period of this group, from 1965 to 1971 .

Another example - in the west during the steam era, CP open top coal gons carried coal accross the border from the many large coal mines in the Crows Nest Pass of the Rockies.

In 1950, CN imported from the US 1.5 million tons of bituminous coal while CP imported 1.6 million tons. This was imported from PA and Ohio into southern Ontario and Manitoba. The further west and east regions of Canada were both self-suffient with coal reserves.

Hope this helps.
John Riddell


Re: D&H panel-side USRA hopper details

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

Mark,

What you see in the photo is the brake rod running between the two brake
levers connected to the trucks and to the brake lever under the b end
slope sheet. The USRA hoppers had the air line running just below the
side sheets on the right side of the car, the side away from the brake
wheel.

Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Mark Heiden
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:45 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] D&H panel-side USRA hopper details

Hello everyone,

I'm working on a model of the Delaware & Hudson rebuilt panel-side
USRA hoppers, and I have some questions regarding certain details.
These cars, rebuilt around 1938, were in the number series 3221-
4200. There is only one photo that I am aware of, and it is in the
pay side of the NEB&W website. For those who subscribe, it can be
found at:

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/D&H/D&H-blister-panel-
USRA.jpg

My questions are:

1. When looking at the B-end of the car, the brake cylinder is on
the left, and the air tank is on the right. Where should the triple
valve be located, and should it face to one side of the car, or to
the back?

2. Should each hopper have a door lock? Unfortunately, I don't know
what kind of locks the prototype had.

3. When viewing the car from the side, should there be a brake line
running between the hopper be visible? (as, for example, this B&O
car:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo347988as.jpg )

4. What color would these hoppers have been painted? What is a good
paint match, preferably water based?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: PRR colors

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Bill,
If you are going to create your own cards and send the files to a printer you would need to set up your files as CMYK not RGB. Preferrably in Adobe Illustrator not Photoshop or Quark Express. The RGB color space is primarily for computer monitors and Lambda photo printers. Neither is capable of holding an exact Pantone color match. As Adrian stated give them a PMS number color match or better yet ask for thier Pantone book and pick the color your self. If you pick a PMS color from the monitor it is still transmitted light not real ink.
You could also show them a sample of the color from a kit that you feel is a close match.
Rob Manley
Disgruntled Printer and model maker
Somewhere in South Holland, IL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" <smokeandsteam@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] PRR colors


Bill

You can�t really relate paint to precise RGB values � they have
completely different colour spaces. However, try 145,20,17 for what
seems like a good approximation to Pennsy Tuscan. If your print shop
wants a Pantone reference try 7427 which is as close as I can get on
this set up.

Aidrian

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Bill Lane
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 7:04 PM
To: PRR Fax; PRR Modeling; Steam Era Freight cars
Subject: [STMFC] PRR colors

Hi All,

Does anyone know what the RGB values are for PRR Tuscan, and/or Oxide
Red?
Please reply ASAP. We are getting business cards printed now.



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Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Bill,

Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a large supply of
kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship anywhere, try
802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!

Fred Freitas / Pres
New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
Bennington, Vt.
Fred,

Too late.

Caboose Corner has been sold. They had a final sale that ended July 3rd and
are scheduled to close on the property tomorrow, July 13th.

John (not Bob) and Sally will be moving to the Northeast Kingdom, where
they'll build a new home. Rutland caboose 36 will be going with them.

Sorry you missed the final sale - John would have welcomed your additions to
his retirement fund, especially now that he's really retired (for the
moment, anyway).

Dick


Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Bill McCoy <bugsy451@...>
 

I'll check with the Caboose Corner. All I need are roofwalk supports
since the car has the PS-1 roof. I believe they were offered by
Molco separately. Thanks to all.

Bill McCoy
Jax

--- In STMFC@..., "armand" <armprem@s...> wrote:
Fred,I thought Caboose Corner had closed,Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred in Vt." <pennsy@s...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car


Bill,

Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a
large
supply of kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship
anywhere,
try
802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!

Fred Freitas / Pres
New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
Bennington, Vt.
----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Groff
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car


Bill,

Are you thinking of the Molco roof? It is a 50' diagonal panel
type, and
not at all suitable for a PS-1. Intermountain roofs,
underframe and
ladder/brake detail parts are available in some shops in four
packs (try
Caboose Corner in Bellows Falls, I think he will take phone
orders and
ship). If not, you can order directly from Intermountain by
phone.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Bill McCoy wrote:

>Mark, Thanks. I'll go with the MILW 29000s with the side sill
mods.
>Any suggestion for a picture source? Also there was an outfit
that
>advertised roofs and separate roofwalk supports which I'll
need.
>This was recent and the roof got good reviews and the company
name
>has left me. Anyone got any idea who it is?
>
>Bill McCoy
>Jax
>
>--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Heiden"
<mark_heiden@h...> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Bill,
>>
>>According to the NEB&W website, 40' PS-1 boxcars were still
in
>>production after 1966. In 1966 Atlantic Coast Line received
800
>>cars, in 1967 Seaboard Coast Line received 950 cars, and in
1968,
>>the final year listed for 40' PS-1 construction, the
Milwaukee
>>received 25 cars. However, all of these cars were built with
>>
>>
>single
>
>
>>doors.
>>
>>The Milwaukee did have 40' PS-1s with combination doors,
series
>>29000-29499, 500 cars built 1958. A solid side sill ran the
>>
>>
>length
>
>
>>of the car, with a drop section spanning from bolster to
bolster.
>>
>>
>I
>
>
>>couldn't find a reference to such a Rock Island car.
>>
>>Unfortunately, I don't think there is a ready prototype for
your
>>car, but side sills can be modified with strip styrene.
>>
>>Mark Heiden
>>
>>--- In STMFC@..., "Bill McCoy" <bugsy451@c...>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I picked up a McKean Master Series undecorated 40' PS-1
>>>
>>>
>>combination
>>
>>
>>>plug and sliding door box car kit in April. The car has an
8'
>>>youmgstown silding door and a 7' smooth riveted plug door.
There
>>>
>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>cast on door stops for the plug and sliding door and
complete
>>>
>>>
>15'
>
>
>>>door tracks. The sides are welded. The ends are 5-4 with the
>>>
>>>
>small
>
>
>>>horizontal rib at the top and the 6 vertical ribs below the
roof
>>>walk. It has the riveted seam between the upper and lower
end
>>>halves. The roof is the PS-1 roof but with out roofwalk
supports
>>>which may make this car too modern for this group but it's
hard
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>imagine a 40' box after 1966 when roofwalks started
dissapearing
>>>from new cars. The side sills tabs appear to be PS-1 at the
>>>
>>>
>>bolsters
>>
>>
>>>and there is a side sill reinforcement running the length
of the
>>>
>>>
>>15'
>>
>>
>>>door opening.
>>>
>>>A couple of months ago I posted to the group and got a
number of
>>>responses but still didn't get an exact match for the car
so I'm
>>>trying again. The Milwaukee and Rock Island were close but
still
>>>have differences in side sill detail and I believe are ACF
cars.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for any help identifying this car.
>>>
>>>Bill McCoy
>>>Jax
>>>
>>>
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Re: Digest Number 2540

Bill McCoy <bugsy451@...>
 

Actually the discussion and pictures are on the Citrus Yahoo group.
Look under BAR or contact me odff line and I will fill any one in.

Bill McCoy
Jax

--- In STMFC@..., Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@s...> wrote:
asychis@a... wrote:

So Mike, will you specifically rule on the BAR reefers? I'd like
to
see the
discussion continue, but is this off limits?
Jerry,

The discussion has continued on the Baby Boomer 's FC List.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Monon Bucyrus crane

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

Mike,
Thank you. Will spend 3 weeks in August at a secret location making
a drawing of a Bucyrus 75-ton crane. Wonder what differences there
were between 75-ton version and 100-ton version.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., Mike Aufderheide <mononinmonon@y...>
wrote:
Gene,

The derrick is likely SWD 1. <snip>

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

--- bierglaeser <bierglaeser@y...> wrote:

I recently acquired a small photo that shows a MONON
Bucyrus crane, the
kind with the 'fishbelly' side sills & arch bar
trucks. <snip>
Gene Green


Re: Monon Bucyrus crane

Michael Aufderheide
 

Gene,

The derrick is likely SWD 1. The following is
information I have from a MOW dept. report written
June 8, 1946:

Car No.: SWD #1
Kind: Wrecking Derrick.
Underframe: Steel.
Body: Steel.
Trucks: 7 x 12 [journals]
CI&L acquired: new 1912.
Notes:
-Capacity 100 tons.
-8 wheel trucks [?]
-Self propelled.
-Equipped with electric lights furnished by Pyle
National generator.
-Manufactured by Bucyrus Co., Milwaukee Wis.

It was first numbered X-1. Renumbered to SWD 1 prior
to mid 30's. Renumbered to 80001 mid 50's. I'm
relatively sure it lasted until the end (1971). I
have the diagram for it as well if you want it. The
diagram lists the serial number as #1452. I think this
derrick was stationed at Shops and the other (150 ton)
derrick was at Bloomington. Mont?!?!?

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide



--- bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

I recently acquired a small photo that shows a MONON
Bucyrus crane, the
kind with the 'fishbelly' side sills & arch bar
trucks. According to
the information available to me this was Bucyrus
serial number 182
delivered in May or June 1912. The crane had a
100-ton capacity.

Is the foregoing correct? Did the Monon number this
crane? If yes,
what number? When was it retired? What color was
it painted? My
photo show the crane lettered "MONON" along the
bottom edge of the
cab. Approximately when would or could this
lettering have been first
applied?
Thanks in advance to all who have info and respond.
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D&H panel-side USRA hopper details

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm working on a model of the Delaware & Hudson rebuilt panel-side
USRA hoppers, and I have some questions regarding certain details.
These cars, rebuilt around 1938, were in the number series 3221-
4200. There is only one photo that I am aware of, and it is in the
pay side of the NEB&W website. For those who subscribe, it can be
found at:

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/D&H/D&H-blister-panel-
USRA.jpg

My questions are:

1. When looking at the B-end of the car, the brake cylinder is on
the left, and the air tank is on the right. Where should the triple
valve be located, and should it face to one side of the car, or to
the back?

2. Should each hopper have a door lock? Unfortunately, I don't know
what kind of locks the prototype had.

3. When viewing the car from the side, should there be a brake line
running between the hopper be visible? (as, for example, this B&O
car:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo347988as.jpg )

4. What color would these hoppers have been painted? What is a good
paint match, preferably water based?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Monon Bucyrus crane

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

I recently acquired a small photo that shows a MONON Bucyrus crane, the
kind with the 'fishbelly' side sills & arch bar trucks. According to
the information available to me this was Bucyrus serial number 182
delivered in May or June 1912. The crane had a 100-ton capacity.

Is the foregoing correct? Did the Monon number this crane? If yes,
what number? When was it retired? What color was it painted? My
photo show the crane lettered "MONON" along the bottom edge of the
cab. Approximately when would or could this lettering have been first
applied?
Thanks in advance to all who have info and respond.
Gene Green


Re: ADMIN: Re: Slightly off topic (Road construction)...Try PROLG

PBowers <waiting@...>
 

Two other lists beside PROLG where this discussion would be more typical would be the 50sNb4-cdn and the 50s-usa lists. <mailto:50s-cdn-subscribe@...>
and <mailto:50s-usa-subscribe@...>
pbb

At 10:49 AM 7/12/05, you wrote:

Gordon Andrews asks:


My question is how best to MODEL highways in various parts of the STEAM
FREIGHT CAR era?
Gordon's question is, obviously, out of scope for the STMFC. However, the
question deserves an answer...which is one reason why I created the PROLG
Group some time ago. This group:

PROLG-subscribe@...

is a forum to discuss any and all aspects of prototype based layouts. Where
better to discuss modeling roads?

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skrivit tanks cars......

ed_mines
 

I saw a similar use for tank cars at the Philip Hunt headquarters in
Palisades Park, NJ about 25 years ago.

The tracks leading to the plant were removed but at least some of the
cars were still on tracks.

Ed


Where do you put your surplus tank cars?

Manfred Lorenz
 

Ever had a deal on 10 cars in a package because you wanted all
different numbers? No more layout to use them all? How about this
solution:

http://www.f15.parsimony.net/forum25608/messages/549159.htm

Manfred

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