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info on Ingoldsby dump cars

eabracher@...
 

I have been researching the dump mechanisms as well as the brake systems on
the A and B ends of the ingoldsby dump cars.

A nice article on building one of these cars was in the June/July 1995
Outdoor Railroader. Bob Sloan has some info and some photos in his book.

Google search turned up a reference to Ely, Nevada dump cars but they are all
modern and nothing on the dump mechanisms or brake system.

Would appreciate hearing from anyone who may have more info on the subject
matter.

eric


Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Garth,

Please contact me off list for info---
pennsy@...; and I'll pass on what I have.

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Groff
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car


Fred,

We travel from Charlottesville, VA to Ashland, NH in two jumps with an
overnight stop in Oneonta, NY. The return trip will take three days as
we are going to stop for the Pioneer Tunnel in Pennsylvania on the way
back (I don't know where Sally has us booked for an overnight, but its
somewhere near Frackville). Stops along the way are unlikely, unless
they are close to where we are overnighting.

I know of three shops in central New Hampshire (Intervale, Wolfboro
Falls, and maybe there's still one in Laconia; all are dogs as far as
advanced models and parts are concerned). I don't know what's down in
Corcord or beyond, but I might head south on a day trip once we're there.

I understand there is a pretty good shop in Rutland. Steam Shack? Is
this the same as the guy who offers the resin kits under that name. The
ads suggest the store is only open by appointment.

I'm glad I stockpiled a lot of stuff from Caboose Corner on previous
visits. Some of it didn't have a use for, but bought just to make sure
I'd have it if I ever wanted same. Looks like its going to be time for
another quantity order from Intermountain.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Fred in Vt. wrote:

>Garth,
>
> With respect to the builders pieces question, finding another shop that keeps an inventory like Mr Cook did is a tough one. Heard the same comments about the shops in NH, so no help there. Mohawk in Schenectady has lots of parts, just not the car builders pieces.
> Where about are you starting from, maybe the list can find an appropriate "rest stop" on your route. Can't hurt to try at this point.
>
>Fred Freitas
>
>


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Re: Athearn releases/PS2

Ed Hawkins
 

On Wednesday, July 13, 2005, at 09:54 AM, buchwaldfam wrote:

Ed,

     Will your articles include any painted-as-built photos of the
CB&Q cars? I've got two of the old Con-Cor PS2 models which I've
replaced the outboard verticals with channel sections, and i'd really
like to find a paint scheme to put on them. Was going to originally
paint them into the Wabash Black, however Burlington would be more
appropriate for the geographic area that I'd like to model.
     Were they painted in the oxide "Everywhere West" scheme?
Phil,
Yes, there's a builder's photo of 85022 that will be included. The
original cars were painted gray with simple black stencils. No slogans
applied by Pullman-Standard. A later in-service photo shows a car
repainted black.
Ed


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


depressed flats

joe binish <joebinish@...>
 

Groupies,
I have a Bachman ~50' depressed center flat, with Buckeye 3-axle
trucks. I have trimmed of the molded on grabs, lowered it by removing the
truck boss, sanding thinner and re-attaching. Before I spend any more time
on it, is there a prototype for this thing? I suppose I can letter it for
the Cumberland Northern, but if memoery serves, the NH, and N&W had some
about 50'.

TIA
Joe Binish


Re: Athearn releases/PS2

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

Ed,

Will your articles include any painted-as-built photos of the
CB&Q cars? I've got two of the old Con-Cor PS2 models which I've
replaced the outboard verticals with channel sections, and i'd really
like to find a paint scheme to put on them. Was going to originally
paint them into the Wabash Black, however Burlington would be more
appropriate for the geographic area that I'd like to model.
Were they painted in the oxide "Everywhere West" scheme?

Thanks,
Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:

Incidentally, there were four other groups of cars with the
intermediate hatches one foot further inboard than the more common
arrangement. These cars were built early in the production cycle:
CB&Q
85000-85029, CIL 4401-4430, T&NO 3675-3899, and WAB 31000-31039 (all
built late 1953 to early 1954).
I have submitted articles about
both groups of cars to Railmodel Journal for publication sometime
this
fall when the models are supposed to be out.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Re: D&H panel-side USRA hopper details

Mark Heiden
 

Hello Doug,

Thanks for the clarification. I guess this would a common feature on
most hoppers?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


--- In STMFC@..., "Doug Brown" <brown194@t...> wrote:
Mark,

What you see in the photo is the brake rod running between the two
brake
levers connected to the trucks and to the brake lever under the b end
slope sheet. The USRA hoppers had the air line running just below the
side sheets on the right side of the car, the side away from the
brake
wheel.

Doug Brown


Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Fred,

We travel from Charlottesville, VA to Ashland, NH in two jumps with an overnight stop in Oneonta, NY. The return trip will take three days as we are going to stop for the Pioneer Tunnel in Pennsylvania on the way back (I don't know where Sally has us booked for an overnight, but its somewhere near Frackville). Stops along the way are unlikely, unless they are close to where we are overnighting.

I know of three shops in central New Hampshire (Intervale, Wolfboro Falls, and maybe there's still one in Laconia; all are dogs as far as advanced models and parts are concerned). I don't know what's down in Corcord or beyond, but I might head south on a day trip once we're there.

I understand there is a pretty good shop in Rutland. Steam Shack? Is this the same as the guy who offers the resin kits under that name. The ads suggest the store is only open by appointment.

I'm glad I stockpiled a lot of stuff from Caboose Corner on previous visits. Some of it didn't have a use for, but bought just to make sure I'd have it if I ever wanted same. Looks like its going to be time for another quantity order from Intermountain.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Fred in Vt. wrote:

Garth,

With respect to the builders pieces question, finding another shop that keeps an inventory like Mr Cook did is a tough one. Heard the same comments about the shops in NH, so no help there. Mohawk in Schenectady has lots of parts, just not the car builders pieces.
Where about are you starting from, maybe the list can find an appropriate "rest stop" on your route. Can't hurt to try at this point.

Fred Freitas


Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Garth,

With respect to the builders pieces question, finding another shop that keeps an inventory like Mr Cook did is a tough one. Heard the same comments about the shops in NH, so no help there. Mohawk in Schenectady has lots of parts, just not the car builders pieces.
Where about are you starting from, maybe the list can find an appropriate "rest stop" on your route. Can't hurt to try at this point.

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Groff
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car


Oh, poop! I was expecting to drop by his store when I was on my
mandatory visit with the relatives this September. Can anyone recommend
any other decent hobby shops in the area? The three I know of in central
New Hampshire are pretty bad.

Isn't there something in Rutland?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Richard Dermody wrote:

>>Bill,
>>
>> Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a large supply of
>>kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship anywhere, try
>>802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
>>I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!
>>
>>Fred Freitas / Pres
>>New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
>>Bennington, Vt.
>>
>>
>
>Fred,
>
>Too late.
>
>Caboose Corner has been sold. They had a final sale that ended July 3rd and
>are scheduled to close on the property tomorrow, July 13th.
>
>John (not Bob) and Sally will be moving to the Northeast Kingdom, where
>they'll build a new home. Rutland caboose 36 will be going with them.
>
>Sorry you missed the final sale - John would have welcomed your additions to
>his retirement fund, especially now that he's really retired (for the
>moment, anyway).
>
>Dick
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: SOUTHERN Pulpwood Flats circa 1954

Tim O'Connor
 

See if you can find a copy of Kalmbach's old book RAILROADS YOU CAN
MODEL. There were two, and one had an article on the Graham County
Railway. In that is an end view of a Southern wood rack. It appears to
have dreadnaught ends, apparently forming the end wall of a box
structure. V-deck, of course. These will have to be strictly
scratchbuilt, and I don't know for sure if they would fit your era.

Southern was also still using some truss-rod flats with wooden bulkhead
ends in the early 1950s. I have seen one photo.

Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff

Southwind imported brass models of the ACL W-4 built in 1954, and also
a Southern Railway car that is very similar. They show up on Ebay now
and then and sell for low prices (e.g. $50) even though they are quite
excellent models. I have not been able to find a good photo of the SOU
cars from the 1950's but I'm still looking. I do have a very good shot
of the ACL car.

Tim O'Connor


Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Central N.H.?? There's Perkins Road Depot in Londonderry, but
that's in southern N.H.

Oh, poop! I was expecting to drop by his store when I was on my
mandatory visit with the relatives this September. Can anyone recommend
any other decent hobby shops in the area? The three I know of in central
New Hampshire are pretty bad.

Isn't there something in Rutland?

Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff


Re: Dupont Paint Colors

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jul 13, 2005, at 7:39 AM, al_brown03 wrote:

I'd like to match the same color in Floquil.

-- thanks --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "paulbizier" <pa.bizier@v...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me what the DuPont paint code would be for "Dupont
Tufcote Metallic Brown" - mandatory freight car content - this color
was specified on many SAL box cars... Also, what's the closest match,
preferably in Scalecoat.

TIA,
Paul
Using the chart from RP Cyc (I can't remember the volume and mine aren't unpacked from the move yet, but I think it's Vol. 3) the SAL freight car color was a 50/50 mix of Floquil Box Car and Oxide Reds.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: SOUTHERN Pulpwood Flats circa 1954

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Matt,

See if you can find a copy of Kalmbach's old book RAILROADS YOU CAN MODEL. There were two, and one had an article on the Graham County Railway. In that is an end view of a Southern wood rack. It appears to have dreadnaught ends, apparently forming the end wall of a box structure. V-deck, of course. These will have to be strictly scratchbuilt, and I don't know for sure if they would fit your era.

Southern was also still using some truss-rod flats with wooden bulkhead ends in the early 1950s. I have seen one photo.

I think you should contact one of the Southern historical societies.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

matthewjstrickland wrote:

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me what type, size and details etc of pulpwood cars the SOUTHERN were using circa 1954?

More importantly can anyone then go on to recommend a suitable HO model that is available that I could use to replicate them?

thanks in advance

MATT





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Re: Dupont Paint Colors

al_brown03
 

I'd like to match the same color in Floquil.

-- thanks --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "paulbizier" <pa.bizier@v...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me what the DuPont paint code would be for "Dupont
Tufcote Metallic Brown" - mandatory freight car content - this color
was specified on many SAL box cars... Also, what's the closest match,
preferably in Scalecoat.

TIA,
Paul


Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Oh, poop! I was expecting to drop by his store when I was on my mandatory visit with the relatives this September. Can anyone recommend any other decent hobby shops in the area? The three I know of in central New Hampshire are pretty bad.

Isn't there something in Rutland?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Richard Dermody wrote:

Bill,

Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a large supply of
kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship anywhere, try
802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!

Fred Freitas / Pres
New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
Bennington, Vt.
Fred,

Too late.

Caboose Corner has been sold. They had a final sale that ended July 3rd and
are scheduled to close on the property tomorrow, July 13th.

John (not Bob) and Sally will be moving to the Northeast Kingdom, where
they'll build a new home. Rutland caboose 36 will be going with them.

Sorry you missed the final sale - John would have welcomed your additions to
his retirement fund, especially now that he's really retired (for the
moment, anyway).

Dick



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SOUTHERN Pulpwood Flats circa 1954

matt
 

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me what type, size and details etc of pulpwood cars
the SOUTHERN were using circa 1954?

More importantly can anyone then go on to recommend a suitable HO
model that is available that I could use to replicate them?

thanks in advance

MATT


Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Dick,

Thanks for the unhappy news, guess that's what you get for not going to the LHS every month!
Now I'll have to haul over to NY to the last 2 shops in the 50 mile zone.
All the donations to Mr Cook's retirement over the past 8 years was money well spent, no complaints. Surprises me that they WANT to resettle above 45 deg. No. Lat.; it's cold enough at this end of the state! Must be more modelers in the Burlington & Essex Jct. area. I wish them well.

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Dermody
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car


> Bill,
>
> Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a large supply of
> kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship anywhere, try
> 802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
> I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!
>
> Fred Freitas / Pres
> New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
> Bennington, Vt.

Fred,

Too late.

Caboose Corner has been sold. They had a final sale that ended July 3rd and
are scheduled to close on the property tomorrow, July 13th.

John (not Bob) and Sally will be moving to the Northeast Kingdom, where
they'll build a new home. Rutland caboose 36 will be going with them.

Sorry you missed the final sale - John would have welcomed your additions to
his retirement fund, especially now that he's really retired (for the
moment, anyway).

Dick



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Re: Canadian open hoppers in USA

John Riddell <jriddell@...>
 

Max Carey wrote -

Thanks for the information. For the reasons you gave, a Canadian
open hopper in the USA must have been a rarity. I can't imagine what
kinds of freight would have moved from Canada to the USA in open
hoppers.


Max,

Iron ore is one example. Unit trains of open hoppers carried iron ore from northern Ontario to steel mills near Pittsburgh.
These unit trains consisted of hundreds of CN, Ontario Northland and Canada Southern open triple hoppers. But this was after the period of this group, from 1965 to 1971 .

Another example - in the west during the steam era, CP open top coal gons carried coal accross the border from the many large coal mines in the Crows Nest Pass of the Rockies.

In 1950, CN imported from the US 1.5 million tons of bituminous coal while CP imported 1.6 million tons. This was imported from PA and Ohio into southern Ontario and Manitoba. The further west and east regions of Canada were both self-suffient with coal reserves.

Hope this helps.
John Riddell


Re: D&H panel-side USRA hopper details

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

Mark,

What you see in the photo is the brake rod running between the two brake
levers connected to the trucks and to the brake lever under the b end
slope sheet. The USRA hoppers had the air line running just below the
side sheets on the right side of the car, the side away from the brake
wheel.

Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Mark Heiden
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:45 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] D&H panel-side USRA hopper details

Hello everyone,

I'm working on a model of the Delaware & Hudson rebuilt panel-side
USRA hoppers, and I have some questions regarding certain details.
These cars, rebuilt around 1938, were in the number series 3221-
4200. There is only one photo that I am aware of, and it is in the
pay side of the NEB&W website. For those who subscribe, it can be
found at:

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/D&H/D&H-blister-panel-
USRA.jpg

My questions are:

1. When looking at the B-end of the car, the brake cylinder is on
the left, and the air tank is on the right. Where should the triple
valve be located, and should it face to one side of the car, or to
the back?

2. Should each hopper have a door lock? Unfortunately, I don't know
what kind of locks the prototype had.

3. When viewing the car from the side, should there be a brake line
running between the hopper be visible? (as, for example, this B&O
car:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo347988as.jpg )

4. What color would these hoppers have been painted? What is a good
paint match, preferably water based?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: PRR colors

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Bill,
If you are going to create your own cards and send the files to a printer you would need to set up your files as CMYK not RGB. Preferrably in Adobe Illustrator not Photoshop or Quark Express. The RGB color space is primarily for computer monitors and Lambda photo printers. Neither is capable of holding an exact Pantone color match. As Adrian stated give them a PMS number color match or better yet ask for thier Pantone book and pick the color your self. If you pick a PMS color from the monitor it is still transmitted light not real ink.
You could also show them a sample of the color from a kit that you feel is a close match.
Rob Manley
Disgruntled Printer and model maker
Somewhere in South Holland, IL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" <smokeandsteam@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] PRR colors


Bill

You can�t really relate paint to precise RGB values � they have
completely different colour spaces. However, try 145,20,17 for what
seems like a good approximation to Pennsy Tuscan. If your print shop
wants a Pantone reference try 7427 which is as close as I can get on
this set up.

Aidrian

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Bill Lane
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 7:04 PM
To: PRR Fax; PRR Modeling; Steam Era Freight cars
Subject: [STMFC] PRR colors

Hi All,

Does anyone know what the RGB values are for PRR Tuscan, and/or Oxide
Red?
Please reply ASAP. We are getting business cards printed now.



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Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Bill,

Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a large supply of
kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship anywhere, try
802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!

Fred Freitas / Pres
New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
Bennington, Vt.
Fred,

Too late.

Caboose Corner has been sold. They had a final sale that ended July 3rd and
are scheduled to close on the property tomorrow, July 13th.

John (not Bob) and Sally will be moving to the Northeast Kingdom, where
they'll build a new home. Rutland caboose 36 will be going with them.

Sorry you missed the final sale - John would have welcomed your additions to
his retirement fund, especially now that he's really retired (for the
moment, anyway).

Dick

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