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Working with kids, was RE: Re: Wood Swift Reefers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Rob, I applaud you. This is Good Work. More power to you.

SGL

Actually I have an outlet for my C list equipment. At my
church we have a boys youth group and a few years ago built a
medium sized railroad in one of our classrooms. It is double
track main with 28" min radius and thanks to the guys from
Mod-U-Trak has 5 cabs and provisions for an upgrade to DCC.
Most of my older Athearn cars and engines are "on loan". Work
permitting, I hold work sessions with the kids, try to give
them some basic knowledge and fuel the potential of the more
train wise boys. Most of them have never railfanned and
woldn't recognize the difference between the Athearn 40 ft
rolling stock on the layout and a Plate C car on the EJ&E.
Thats a good thing because they also won't complain about how
difficult a Branchline car is to build or how hard it is to
drill for grabs on a Walthers caboose like the "adult"
modelers I've heard. These young men appreciate the fact that
an adult cares enough to spend some time and share his
talents with them. It keps the hobby alive and lets you
share information that you would normally take for granted.
Sincerely,
Rob Manley
Midwest Mod-U-Trak


Using CA as a gap filler

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to fill the gap between the weight cover and the body of an
Atlas two-bay offset side hopper, with little luck. Body putty
doesn't want to stay in place, so I turned to using CA instead. I'm
using Flash CA, medium formula, but this isn't working well either. It
doesn't seem to get down into the gap, it just seems to sit on the
surface. I've been running a bead along the gap, then sanding it
smooth with progressively finer sand paper (about 400 grit to start).
Is there a trick to doing this? Should I try to somehow force the CA
into the gap? Any advice is welcome!

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Beth Steel roads - C&I Hoppers

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim Gilbert wrote:
"I am surprised that the hoppers at Alburgh VT Trestle included no
Cambria & Indiana Hoppers - so far. They certainly were not captive
to Bethlehem as one appeared on B&M's March 2nd, 1936 XB-2 and another
was among the last nine hoppers on the Suncook Valley RR before it folded
in December 1952."

Jeff English replied:
"Tim, I've got 13 of them on Rutland's trian #9 west out of Alburgh in
the last quarter of 1942. All empties as would be expected."

Add 3 more on Rutland #9 on July 1, 1950: C&I 2968, 3622, 3962. C&I 3622
and 3692 are USRA twin copies from C&I 3400-4399.


Ben Hom


Rare B&M Item for Sale

Roger Robar <rrobar@...>
 

I have for sale a rare B&M Minuteman Stencil. This stencil was made directly
from a metal stencil from the B&M Billerica, Ma. paint shop. It is exact in
size, shape and detail. This was made from very heavy matte board and
varnished to protect and seal it from moisture. This has never been used for
spray-paint usage, it has only been used as a tracing stencil, so it is
clean as new. I have made a thin plywood box to keep it flat and protected.
I will send photos to anyone interested. Please contact me OFF List. Thanks,
Roger Robar <rrobar@...>


Re: C&I Hoppers

Justin Kahn
 

Ah, so! My decision to use up the ancient Champ decal set (with CDS larger extended Roman alphabet set and hand-ruled lining) is an even better choice than I had known, both for the SV and the Rutland. I shall remember to couple it into a train with my SV #3 often...
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@s...> wrote:
I am surprised that the hoppers at Alburgh VT Trestle included no
Cambria & Indiana Hoppers - so far. They certainly were not captive
to
Bethlehem as one appeared on B&M's March 2nd, 1936 XB-2 and another
was
among the last nine hoppers on the Suncook Valley RR before it folded
in
December 1952.
Tim, I've got 13 of them on Rutland's trian #9 west out of Alburgh in
the last quarter of 1942. All empties as would be expected.

Jeff English
Troy, New York
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Re: Frisco 1001 unusual box car

Brad Bourbina <bbbourb@...>
 

Yup, that's what I figured these were, too. The MoPac had a few very similar cars as well that were built specifically for hauling coke. I'm not sure, but I think these were sometimes used to haul hay also.

Brad Bourbina


From: "Max S. Robin, P.E." <m_robin@...>
Date: 2005/07/25 Mon PM 12:32:17 EDT
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Frisco 1001 unusual box car

The NYC wooden bodied box cars converted to coke cars had the roof removed
and had approximately 8 wooden beams fastened to both sides of the car. The
top of these square beams were approximately flush with the top edges of the
car sides. There is a picture of one of these cars in Wayner's Freight Car
book.

Max
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Re: Frisco 1001 unusual box car

Max Robin
 

The NYC wooden bodied box cars converted to coke cars had the roof removed
and had approximately 8 wooden beams fastened to both sides of the car. The
top of these square beams were approximately flush with the top edges of the
car sides. There is a picture of one of these cars in Wayner's Freight Car
book.

Max
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Re: Frisco 1001 unusual box car

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Phil;
I have always wondered how they maintained structural integrity on these
cars that had their roofs cut off, and you seem to have hit on at least
one potential solution.

There is a photo of a similar PRR X26 de-roofed as class GTC26, that
Paul Dunn took, but the only evidence I can find on that car is a big
angle welded above the door opening. Given the light weight of the
coke, maybe this was all it required in this service.

I have not seen drawings of this conversion (and suspect that the PRR
ones do not exist), but I would suspect that it would give you the
answer.

Elden

-----Original Message-----
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buchwaldfam
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:54 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Frisco 1001 unusual box car

What's REALLY interesting about this car (OK, maybe it's just
interesting to a structures dweeb. still...) is that the diagonal
truss seems to be on the inside of the side sheathing as well as the
outside.
I thought that on single sheathed (wood, as opposed to the
Frisco's rebuilt steel) box cars, the wood that is seen from the
outside of the car also serves as the car's interior lining. When the
Frisco rebuilt these cars with steel sides, did they add extra trusses
inside the walls to support some sort of interior lining? Seems like
that would have reduced the interior volume a bunch. I'll go look at
my RPCyc again, however I don't recall seeing anything about a major
volume reduction. Conversely, was extra interior structure added when
they cut the roof off and added the extra side doors?

Best Regards,
Phil Buchwald


--- In STMFC@..., Michael O'Brien <mikeobrien@c...> wrote:
Hi all...

I found a photo of an unusual box car at:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=118625

It is Frisco 1001 and has 3 doors, two to the sides that are lower
than
the center door, plus the whole car looks pretty low in height--it
might be roofless.

Any ideas what it is? Doesn't seem to be MOW. Photo location is
Dallas, TX.

Cheers,
Mike O'Brien
Pasadena, CA





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Re: Frisco 1001 unusual box car

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

What's REALLY interesting about this car (OK, maybe it's just
interesting to a structures dweeb. still...) is that the diagonal
truss seems to be on the inside of the side sheathing as well as the
outside.
I thought that on single sheathed (wood, as opposed to the
Frisco's rebuilt steel) box cars, the wood that is seen from the
outside of the car also serves as the car's interior lining. When the
Frisco rebuilt these cars with steel sides, did they add extra trusses
inside the walls to support some sort of interior lining? Seems like
that would have reduced the interior volume a bunch. I'll go look at
my RPCyc again, however I don't recall seeing anything about a major
volume reduction. Conversely, was extra interior structure added when
they cut the roof off and added the extra side doors?

Best Regards,
Phil Buchwald


--- In STMFC@..., Michael O'Brien <mikeobrien@c...> wrote:
Hi all...

I found a photo of an unusual box car at:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=118625

It is Frisco 1001 and has 3 doors, two to the sides that are lower
than
the center door, plus the whole car looks pretty low in height--it
might be roofless.

Any ideas what it is? Doesn't seem to be MOW. Photo location is
Dallas, TX.

Cheers,
Mike O'Brien
Pasadena, CA


Strange stock car (was: Florida photo archives)

Miller,Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

From the referenced site:
http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/reference/rc15237.jpg

Note the Wabash box car with half of its side sheathing removed for use
as a stock car.


How come they don't have to go through a metal detector? ;-)


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
ed_mines
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:07 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Florida photo archives

--- In STMFC@..., "sevanwinter" <SEvanWint@a...>
referenced the following photo collection:

http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/

Wow! This is the nicest link I've seen in a long time. Thanks!

Try - refrigerator, Seaboard & "Atlantic Coast Line" for searches.
It's ventilator car heaven with the nicest SAL ventilator shot I've
ever seen. Seaboard "cattle" cars too.

Ed







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ADMIN: STMFPH

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

I note a query regarding the STMFPH. This group was formed in order to provide additional room for members of the STMFC to store photos. Unlike the STMFC, this group does not require approval for membership but that requirement is essentially satisfied by the fact that it is not listed in the directory. Hence, only STMFC members have access to the address. We'll continue with that concept until spam and/or porn peddlers manage to find access to it.

Here's the addresses:

Post message: STMFPH@...
Subscribe: STMFPH-subscribe@...
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List owner: STMFPH-owner@...


Mike Brock
STMFC/STMFPH Owner


Re: Aug.'87 MR & Swift Reefers

John F. Cizmar
 

Paul,
I ordered (3) sets of the late Swift set (for the red cars) from Champion as a special run. The earlier version is still around.
John Cizmar

behillman <chris_hillman@...> wrote:
I found it!!! I KNEW I had it packed away,....the August 1987, Model
Railroader with the John Nehrich article on kitbashing Life Like Swift
wood reefers, and still in good condition too!! I remember buying
several decal sets for building/rebuilding these cars, Cudahy,
Dubuque, etc., back then, but I didn't get to get too far in the
process'. As of today, I shall recommence. I have my X-acto knife in-
hand as I write.

One question though, are accurate Swift decals (and the others) still
available for these cars, in case my old ones are defunct?

Thanks Ben Hom for your re-referring to this article.

Also in the same issue is Jack Burgess' Yosemite Valley Railroad.
Wasn't that our first real viewing of Jack's fine railroad?

Paul Hillman




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Re: Intermountain ACF TYPE 27 Tank car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Gary Ray asked:
"...but when I did a search of Yahoo groups, I could not
find "STMFPH". Could someone post a link or share how to find and join
this group?"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/


Ben Hom


Florida photo archives

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "sevanwinter" <SEvanWint@a...>
referenced the following photo collection:

http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/

Wow! This is the nicest link I've seen in a long time. Thanks!

Try - refrigerator, Seaboard & "Atlantic Coast Line" for searches.
It's ventilator car heaven with the nicest SAL ventilator shot I've
ever seen. Seaboard "cattle" cars too.

Ed


Re: Intermountain ACF TYPE 27 Tank car

Gary E. Ray <garyeray@...>
 

Hi Gene,



Thanks for posting the diagrams, however I cannot seem to find them. By
other group "STMFPH", I assume this means Steam Freight Photos but when I
did a search of Yahoo groups, I could not find "STMFPH". Could someone post
a link or share how to find and join this group.



Thank you,

Gary Ray




I have added a photo album entitled "K brake diagrams" to the
photo section of STMFPH, not this group but the other group.


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Re: Semi-scale wheelsets with ribbed backs? (Proto tanks)

Miller,Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

I too would love to find these, but I suspect you won't have much luck.
In order to do ribbed back wheels the wheels must be cast (like the
prototype). All the .088 wheels I know of are metal wheels, turned on a
lathe.


regards,

Andy Miller

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Dean Payne
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:08 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Semi-scale wheelsets with ribbed backs? (Proto tanks)

I am looking for semi-scale (narrow tread?) wheelsets with ribbed
backs. A search on Walthers and Reboxx's sites turns up only flat back
wheelsets.


Re: Golden Spike reefers (was Swift reefers)

Tim O'Connor
 

Rob Manley wrote

This has nothing to do with Swift reefers but I've found that if you let a
project age long enough somebody will come out with a better model. Like the
17 Golden Spike mechanical reefers I've acquired. I am going to replace the
ladders with better components from Branchline. But wait, I don't have to, a
better 21st century version is being produced.
That 21st century version will set you back 40 or 50 bucks. If you're like
me you have a bunch of extra 50 foot ZU eave roofs from Branchline, plus
extra R+3/4 ends (just remove the R rib at the top). Add an Accurail 50 ft
box car underframe, and you get a pretty spectacular looking car for a
much smaller investment!

As for the PS 2893 hoppers, those Robins Rails PS 2893's had excellent paint
and lettering -- should fetch a good value on Ebay!

Tim O'Connor


Re: New J&L tanker question

Tim O'Connor
 

If the tank car is twice as big as the 2-6-2, then you may have
found the first known sighting of a J&L tank car off line... If
not then it's probably one of many thousands of high-walkway tank
cars with 1, 2, 3 or 4 domes built by ACF and others in the second
and third decades of the 20th century.

At 09:56 PM 7/24/2005, you wrote:
In the Green Frog video, "Steam On The Northern Pacific" there is a
scene with a 2-6-2 iirc, that's leading a black tank car that
resembles the J&L tanker. Anyone familiar with this car? It has the
same railing layout as the J&L car. I'm presuming similiar cars ran,
perhaps 8000 gallons?
Thanks,
George Courtney


Re: Branchline URTX Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

Denny, the problem is at the corners; the sides are just a shade too
long, so the beveled corners don't fit quite right. Just taking a
little material evenly off the bevel at each end of the sides cures it.

Richard Hendrickson
On my kits the door rod is off center, a few inches from where it
should be located. Easy to fix; consult photos for correct location.


Re: Frisco 1001 unusual box car

Tim O'Connor
 

I found a photo of an unusual box car at:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=118625
Any ideas what it is?
A box car rebuilt for coke service. Four are listed in the 1959
ORER, numbers 1000-1003.

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