Re: Corrosion Maintenance (Was Brine Holding Tanks)
Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
About 20 years ago, I was a guest on a motorcar inspection trip over the southern remaining trackage of the former interurban Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern RR, newly re-minted as the tourist Boone & Scenic Valley RR. The principal features of the railroad were two substantial bridges in the beautiful Des Moines River valley: a high spindly trestle over a deep side-ravine (we would call it a canyon here), and a more substantial and longer bridge over the Des Moines River itself (the famed massive C&NW Kate Shelley high bridge over the Des Moines was- and still is ,of course- not too many miles downstream. We stopped to "inspect" each of these impressive FDDM&S bridges, and I commented in what great shape they seemed to be, much of the steel still having its mill finish intact (pretty important maintenance issue for a tourist line!). It was explained to me then that the bridges' great shape was due to the fact that the railroad historically hauled very few reefers "...to drip brine to corrode the steel,- unlike the Kate Shelley bridge which is currently so heavily corroded from refrigerator brine that they are constantly repairing it" .
I note that the Kate Shelley bridge is apparently currently slated for replacement. It would be interesting to know to what extent this giant project has resulted from years of brine corrosion (probably mostly from PFE cars :-) ). Denny -- Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento
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Re: Devcon Epoxy (was Using CA as a gap filler)
Andy Carlson
Excuse my ear to ear grin as I respond. Precision is
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not necessary, nor practiced by me. The epoxy simply needs to be mixed a little on the "Rich" side for the White component to get good material. Remember the tear-off windows on the Front Range kit boxes? I mix my Devcon on pieces of these cut outs, laying down a stripe of White first, followed by a stripe of cream hardener along side the first stripe. It is important that both tubes have the same sized openings punched by an awl, so each stripe is the same diameter. When oozing out the cream hardener, stop where you feel that it is slightly less than the white stripe. I often mix amounts that would weigh less than 1/2 gram. I suggest squeezing out the White component first, as the cream hardener tends to flow out and flatten, making eyeball estimates harder. Also, while I could not believe it, a friend found that regular rubbing alcohol can be used to thin the epoxy with little to no observed degradation, so very low viscous pours can be done. I also clean up the tools and cardboard mixing board w/ alcohol. One more thing, if you encounter a situation where you need to patch a hole (such as plugging a caboose window), simply stretch a piece of transparent tape (Scotch) over the opening from the outside, then lay in the Devcon from the inside. the transparency allows for visually following the fill, voids will look black. Allow to cure for at leat 12 hours, and peel off the tape. You will not have to do any other prep work, and the patch will be quicker and superior to cutting and fitting styrene plugs. This is where it is important to get the 55:45 mix, for if your ratio is off, the rubbery epoxy will distort as the tape is peeled off, and a slightly wavy surface will result. On the other hand, if you want the effect of rippled patch panels, use that trait to your advantage. You will be amazed at what can be done with Devcon. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA --- timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:
Andy, how do you measure the stuff with such
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Re: Charles Winters still selling?
Ed Hawkins
On Thursday, July 28, 2005, at 08:44 AM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Jim,Is Charles Winters (St. Louis) still selling his freight car andsteamprints? The last communication I had from him was in thephone Richard's account of Mr. Winters is correct. However, Mr. Vollrath's first name is Harold with middle initial K. (his phone number is 816-942-3423). Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: mixing of meat and produce reefers
Richard Hendrickson
On Jul 28, 2005, at 8:48 AM, ed_mines wrote:
Were meat reefers ever used for produce, particiularly in the '40s?I'm reluctant to say never, Ed, but if done at all, it would have been very rarely and only on an emergency basis. Meat reefers were specially equipped for meat service with meat rails, floor racks, brine retaining tanks, etc. and thus were not really suitable for produce shipments.
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Re: Asparagus and Peaches in SC
Carrock1998@...
Thanks Tom--now I know roughly where you are talking about---I know it by the
Route 31 number. Thanks. Robert "Rocky" Jackson In a message dated 7/28/2005 4:45:23 PM Central Standard Time, tgmadden@worldnet.att.net writes: Tom---the Oxford you refer to was it in Pennsylvania or was it inNew Jersey? Oxford Furnace, NJ, a few miles north of Washington NJ on the old main line. It's on Route 31, which used to be Route 69 until the late '60s when the local classes of '69 coupled with the sexual connotations of that number caused the highway signs to disappear faster than they could be replaced. Route 69/31 ends at the junction with Route 46 at Butzville, where there was a three-level crossing of the DL&W bridging the L&HR which itself bridged what I'm remembering was the Pequest river. Tom Madden
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Re: Devcon Epoxy (was Using CA as a gap filler)
Andy, how do you measure the stuff with such precision? Do
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you have a scale, or do you do it by volume? I wonder if the 50:50 ratio works by weight but not volume, or vice versa? Tim O.
I would again caution against mixing 50:50. I suggest
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Re: Cal-Scale Express Reefer Underframe Detail Kit
Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:56 AM, phrwy wrote:
Some years ago this detail kit consisting of parts and anBen, A quick trip to the Bowser web site will let you download the diagram for set 190-324. Try http://www.bowser-trains.com/pdf/cal_scale_frt_cars.pdf Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: Cal-Scale Express Reefer Underframe Detail Kit
Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
Hello Ben,
You can view and print the Cal-Scale drawing from the Bowser Web site at www.bowser-trains.com. So long, Andy Andy Sperandeo Executive Editor Model Railroader magazine asperandeo@mrmag.com Phone: 262-796-8776, ex. 461 Fax: 262-796-1142 www.modelrailroader.com
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Re: Asparagus and Peaches in SC
Carrock1998@...
Tom---the Oxford you refer to was it in Pennsylvania or was it in New Jersey?
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Robert "Rocky" Jackson
In a message dated 7/28/2005 9:16:53 AM Central Standard Time,
tgmadden@worldnet.att.net writes: I don't recall any facilities on the DL&W's old main line through that same area, other than team tracks at Oxford and Columbia, for handling such small-lot traffic. The idea of truck farms was to be close enough to your market to get produce from field to fork in just a few hours. Tom Madden
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Re: Cal-Scale Express Reefer Underframe Detail Kit
Michael Aufderheide
Ben,
Bowser has put some stuff on line. See: http://www.bowser-trains.com/img/190-324.jpg Regards, Mike Aufderheide --- phrwy <benbrown@iglide.net> wrote: Some years ago this detail kit consisting of parts __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
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Re: Cal-Scale Express Reefer Underframe Detail Kit
Miller,Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
As I recall it was the same as their regular UC passenger car set with
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the addition of end buffer castings. The plumbing and positioning diagram should be similar. Both sets may now be available from Bowser. Cut and pasted from their website: Part # Description Price 190-300 UC Brake Set for Passenger Cars $2.50 190-324 Express Reefer Detail Kit $2.95 regards, Andy Miller
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of phrwy Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:56 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Cal-Scale Express Reefer Underframe Detail Kit Some years ago this detail kit consisting of parts and an installation drawing was available, but I have not seen it for a long time. What I am seeking is a copy of the drawing sheet that came in the kit. Could someone please scan a copy and place it in the Files section, or else contact me offline? Many thanks, Ben Brown Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Devcon Epoxy (was Using CA as a gap filler)
Andy Carlson
Yes, I have seen Devcon in a 1 pound package, though a
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visit at Devcon's web site yielded nothing about retail packs. Some hardware stores sell Devcon's "Liquid Steel" which to me seems identical to 2-Ton White, except for the color. I use a little of this black epoxy to give a nice light grey color to the White 2-Ton. One nice feature of 2-Ton is its paste-like consistency, which is useful for casting one piece car bodies w/o the need for an inner mold. I have a WP N scale F7A I made years ago (before Kato made their F7) cast totally in Devcon White 2-Ton, including the "High Line" pilot mounted snow plow. I still have that model, and it is holding up just as well as if it were styrene. I would again caution against mixing 50:50. I suggest 55:45 White to cream hardener, or a rubbery expoxy will result. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA --- "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@UDel.Edu> wrote:
I imagine from Andy's description of the WHITE
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Re: Asparagus and Peaches in SC
Carrock1998@...
I know the Ma & Pa Railroad served several canneries in Maryland and
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Pennsylvania. I went back and looked up a report from May 22, 1937 that details the industries they served. The report comes out of the Oppice of the Preseident & General manager of the railroad located in Baltimore dated May 5, 1937. From that report here is the canneries they served: Hillsboro-Queen Anne Cooperative Corporation in Whiteford, Maryland (this had at least one or more private sidings to it) C.P. Scarboroguh in Delta, PA Howard Proctor in Delta, PA E.G. Ruff in Bryansville, Pennsylvania J.T. Gemmill in High Rock, Pennsylvania I don't know what the canneries processed as that is not detailed in the report. As of 1960 the population of these towns was as follows---Whiteford--120, Delta--822, Bryansville--25, and High Rock--I don't know. Therefore, given their population as of 1960---given when the canneries were operating it doesn't seem like they would have been huge operations. Robert "Rocky" Jackson
In a message dated 7/28/2005 10:21:57 AM Central Standard Time,
timboconnor@comcast.net writes: Tim, That sounds more like it! Most peach traffic by rail in those days (and nowadays) probably was canned peaches and preserves. If anyone has information on the location of major cannery areas in the U.S. I'd love to hear about it... I know Central California is such a place.
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Cal-Scale Express Reefer Underframe Detail Kit
Ben Brown
Some years ago this detail kit consisting of parts and an
installation drawing was available, but I have not seen it for a long time. What I am seeking is a copy of the drawing sheet that came in the kit. Could someone please scan a copy and place it in the Files section, or else contact me offline? Many thanks, Ben Brown
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mixing of meat and produce reefers
ed_mines
Were meat reefers ever used for produce, particiularly in the '40s?
Ed
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Re: Charles Winters still selling?
Richard Hendrickson
On Jul 28, 2005, at 5:41 AM, Jim King wrote:
Is Charles Winters (St. Louis) still selling his freight car and steamJim, it's my understanding that Charlie is in bad health and no longer doing darkroom work, but that Howard Vollrath has access to the Winters negative collection and may be able to make prints. The last address I have for Vollrath, which I believe may still be current, is 1000 West 97th Terrace, Kansas City, MO 64114.
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Re: Asparagus and Peaches in SC
Tim,
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That sounds more like it! Most peach traffic by rail in those days (and nowadays) probably was canned peaches and preserves. If anyone has information on the location of major cannery areas in the U.S. I'd love to hear about it... I know Central California is such a place.
Whoops! Read the Class II RR data from Table 50 of the 1950 "Blue Book"
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Re: Asparagus and Peaches in SC
Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Whoops! Read the Class II RR data from Table 50 of the 1950 "Blue Book" (ICC's 64th ANNUAL REPORT ON THE STATISTICS OF RAILWAYS IN THE UNITED STATES). Correct number is 115,210 tons of Fresh Peaches (Not Frozen) originated on US Class I RR's in 1950 (or at the 1956 tons per car loading rate of 15.4 tons) about 7,481 car loads. Tim Gilbert
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Re: Asparagus and Peaches in SC
Michael Mang <mnmang@...>
My 1950 ICC Revenue Freight Report for the DL&W showed that the DL&W alone
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carried 1,240 tons of Peaches, fresh, not frozen in 103 carloads, or 12 tons per car. No tons were originated on the DL&W, and 9 carloads terminated on line. The rest were delivered to connecting roads. It would be interesting to learn why one third of the US peach traffic passed through the hands of the Lackawanna that year. Incidentally, looking at other produce entries in the ICC report, it appears that many of the agricultural commodities were carried in lots around 10-15 tons in size. Even allowing for full ice bunkers, that seems like a light load. Michael Mang
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Re: Asparagus and Peaches in SC
Tim Gilbert wrote
In 1950, 3,307 tons of fresh peaches not frozen were originated on Class Tim, where did you get that number?? The area around Grand Junction is a large peach growing region, and in 1950 roads were poor and the markets distant... And there is a fine 1955 color photo of G.J. yard absolutely JAMMED with ART ice reefers... more than 100 are visible. Did peach traffic suddenly expand from 1950 to 1955? Tim O.
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