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Re: Making Decals

montydogsdad2 <artgriffindecals@...>
 

Jon,

Even tho white inks are not provided in non-Alps printers, it is still
possible to get white lettering by reverse designing the artwork and
printing on white decal paper.

Art Griffin


http://www.greatdecals.com/Griffin.htm "Where Every Order Is A Custom
Order!"

:I'm curious about the new HP colored laser printers. Pricing is not
bad
but of course they don't do white or silver, etc. As my current laser
requires $130 for refilled cartridges when the current cartridge is
gone I
am thinking about an HP colored laser. They could do a white roller
but
demand is so small I doubt it would ever be done.
Has anyone tried these printers for decals?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


NKP Hopper

raildata@...
 

Make that "Wandering NKP Hopper"....although the car may be "wondering" how
it got there.

Chuck Y


Re: DL&W Perishable Traffic

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

In regard to wholesale food markets in the east, you are forgetting
about Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Philadelphia and Jersey City, not
forgetting eastern Long Island. The Pennsy delivered to all of these
and in the Jersey City area, they floated the reefers from Greenville
and Harsimus Cove to the Long Island Railroad slips across the Hudson
River. SP2 was the premier train for this traffic into Philadelphia
and was usually filled out with SFRD and PFE Reefers from the west
coast. I would have to check my freight schedules for those to
Baltimore, Waverly and Harsimus Cove, although NY-2 and NY-4 to the
North Jersey area come to mind.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@....

Tim Gilbert wrote:

timboconnor@... wrote:



Tim et al,

Weren't there wholesale food terminals in New Jersey or Staten
Island as well? The Reading, CNJ and B&O were other carriers that
reached the New York metro area, but had no direct rail links to
Manhattan. Erie and NYC may have been dominant but surely
these other carriers delivered food too.

And didn't the New Haven operate car floats as well? While the
Erie could interchange directly with the New Haven, surely the
others got a share of that traffic to/from New England.

To say nothing of PRR, which had to be a player too.


Tim,

I should have prefaced my remarks as from the "West." The PRR hauled the
lion's share of produce from the South via Pot Yard. The reefers on the
New Haven floats were from the south and not the west - the western ones
were routed Port Jervis-Maybrook (or for the DL&W, Port
Morris-L&HR-Maybrook).

NYC probably had the dominant position in Manhattan for meat reefers,
but little produce until those markets moved to Hunt's Point in the
1960's. Meat was distributed differently than most fresh produce in the
east. The big meat packers like Swift and Armour controlled their
distribution via their cold storage houses. Distribution for produce was
not as concentrated (Bananas being an exception). The Growers frequently
sold their Produce en route which caused reconsignment and diversion
bureaus operated by the car lines.

Tim Gilbert




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Sunshine list in Adobe

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I've placed a PDF version of my latest Sunshine kit list in the FILES area.
I tried to put an Excel version there too but got a 'not enough room'
message.

The latest version isn't much different from the previous one but it does
include a mention of some future releases that I gleaned from the Naperville
symposium material.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: New England Perishable Traffic

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Fred in Vt. wrote:

Tim & Jeff,


Was there a time when Rutland had a very favourable tarriff rate as a bridge line, and used it to garner business? Shippers are always looking for cheaper rates, and this may explain the car movement.
Fred,

There was a westbound differential rail route tariff from Eastern New England to Michigan & beyond if transit was through Canada. Eligible routes were CN via St. Albans VT & Island Pond VT; CP via Newport VT (&, perhaps, Brownsville Jct ME/Lac Megantic QU); and via the Rutland-Norwood-NYC (E)-Suspension Bridge NY (not Buffalo). A differential rail route tariff cost less than the standard all-rail routing of similar traffic proceeding westward from New England to Michigan using all-American routing like B&M-Rotterdam-NYC.

There was no eastbound differential rail route tariff to Eastern New England.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Beer Traffic

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

Then I could get all my fingers in one chop!

Phil Buchwald



--- In STMFC@..., "Fred in Vt." <pennsy@s...> wrote:
Art,

Time to get a NWSL "chopper", lest you remove more body
parts. Just a suggeston.

Fred F
----- Original Message -----
From: buchwaldfam
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Beer Traffic


Is that reefer a rebuild of the circa 1927 ACF style cars, with
metal ends installed? Or some other design? Looks like a starting
point would be a branchline car with a pair of Details West ends
grafted on. (?)

By the way, it's really tough to type with a bandaid wrapped around
your middle finger where you put a half inch gash in it with an Xacto
knife last evening! Darn oh-fourty Evergreen!

I can remember growing up in Milwaukee, seeing the long strings of
URTX reefers in their repair yard, cans of "wild" beer growing between
the rails where some had escaped over the years. Sorry, bad sense of
humor....


Thanks for all the information from everyone!

Best regards,
Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@..., Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote:
> Almost too quaint:
> A wood-sided Soo Line reefer bringing Miller beer to southern
California in 1958.
> http://www.geocities.com/oldlahistory/miller.html




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Wondering NKP hoppers

raildata@...
 

Just came into possession of a photo of the L&WV ("Laurel Line") Scranton
yard taken in the 1940s. L&WV was a heavy interurban line that handles
interchange freight cars between Scranton and Wilke-Barre PA. Comany had no interchange
cars of it's own so was supplied with such by the Erie and DL&W with which it
connected.

In the picture there are the following hoppers; cannot make out numbers:

WM twin Beth Steel type fishbelly
NKP twin Offset side with C&O type rounded ends
3 Erie twin offset
1 Erie triple offset
CNJ twin offset
DL&W twin
D&H twin, USRA type
D&H twin, composite
PRR twin
PRR quad

also:

SFRD 40' steel
SFRD 40' wood
NRC 40' wood

The reefers were likely going to Thomas L. Thomas produce Co in W-B.
The L&WV served some on line breakers, stip ming, and culm reclamation sites.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO


Re: New England Perishable Traffic

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Tim & Jeff,


Was there a time when Rutland had a very favourable tarriff rate as a bridge line, and used it to garner business? Shippers are always looking for cheaper rates, and this may explain the car movement.

Fred F

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Gilbert
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: New England Perishable Traffic


Jeff English wrote:

> In 1961, the Rutland's last year, which was greatly depressed
> compared to previous years, they delivered 39 loaded PFE
> cars to the B&M at Bellows Falls, Vt. It was mostly lettuce
> from southern California and Arizona, but also included
> cabbage, onions, carrots, "canned vegetables" and frozen
> potatoes. I have no explanation as to why these cars were
> routed via the Rutland, but they were. Similarly, 13 loaded
> SFRD cars were handled eastbound..
>
> Also B&M delivered 6 westbound PFE cars returning west
> loaded with "wrpg paper" bound for San Francisco. And
> again, three loaded SFRD cars went west.
>
> My data for 1961 is far more detailed than for earlier times. In
> the last three months of 1942, 13 PFE empties and 11 SFRD
> empties went west out of Alburgh, Vt. on Rutland's train
> No.9. Two more westbound SFRD cars were loaded and
> bound for unknown destinations west of the Rutland's
> interchange with NYC at Norwood, N.Y. These western
> reefers represent only about 2 cars a week, out of about 60
> cars a day, so yes perishable traffic was sparse on the Rutland,
> but it <did> exist and somebody found it a useful route.

Jeff,

Westbound Reefer Reloads of Wrapping Paper and other type Merchandise, I
can understand, given the westbound differential rate via
Rutland-Norwood-NYC-Suspension Bridge-Ontario-Michigan & points beyond.

Eastbound, I am at a loss except, maybe, that the formidable Rutland
Sales Force scored again over the relative giants like the ERIE, D&H and
B&M.

Tim Gilbert



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Moore Patent Refrigerator Cars

montydogsdad2 <artgriffindecals@...>
 

Group,

Got a Moore Patent reefer Copper Range RR (Upper Michigan).

http://www.copperrange.org/copr951.jpg

Art Griffin


Re: Making Decals

Andy Carlson
 

Got truncated a bit...

Clover House has a Red scheme Swift dry transfer, formerly done by Tony Peerles.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
use products, had a red Swift reefer in a dry Transfer.
-Andy Carlson
Back in Ojai CA

Jon Miller wrote:
I'm still on this project of building a 38ft, red, wood, Swift
reefer. I finally found (1) set of the Champ decals for this car,
#HR-42, after a Nation-wide search. (Champ doesn't have them
anymore). #HR-40 for the yellow cars are still around at several
places and I got a set of those already.<

Try this site, it doesn't use excel.
http://www.8ung.at/golden_spike/goldenspike/sunshine.html#composit



It lists these Swift reefers made by Sunshine.

24.23 Swift 2500 series solid side sill meat reefers, with red banner and
giant white "Swift" 47-late 50s

24.24 Swift 2500 series solid side sill meat reefers, with white lettering
for red car and giant "Swift" late 49-early 60s


I don't know what these cars are or if the decals are still available.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS






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Re: Making Decals

Andy Carlson
 

use products, had a red Swift reefer in a dry Transfer.
-Andy Carlson
Back in Ojai CA

Jon Miller <atsf@...> wrote:
I'm still on this project of building a 38ft, red, wood, Swift
reefer. I finally found (1) set of the Champ decals for this car,
#HR-42, after a Nation-wide search. (Champ doesn't have them
anymore). #HR-40 for the yellow cars are still around at several
places and I got a set of those already.<

Try this site, it doesn't use excel.
http://www.8ung.at/golden_spike/goldenspike/sunshine.html#composit



It lists these Swift reefers made by Sunshine.

24.23 Swift 2500 series solid side sill meat reefers, with red banner and
giant white "Swift" 47-late 50s

24.24 Swift 2500 series solid side sill meat reefers, with white lettering
for red car and giant "Swift" late 49-early 60s


I don't know what these cars are or if the decals are still available.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS






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SR wood racks

Jim King <jimking3@...>
 

Tim,

Thanks for the ORER lists. That helps fill in a 10 year gap on my end.

I take exception to your comment made re: wood-hauling cars being stuck
on the home road. If I read your comment correctly, I think you stated
that, for example, Southern's wood racks would have been assigned to a
certain mill (which is usually the case) and that the car would have
stayed on-line between the mill and the wood source. Yes, this was true
in the 40s and is still true today. However, it was quite common to see
foreign road cars (not ones merged into Southern) in the mix as well.
I've seen GM&O and Georgia Southwestern (new shortline) wood racks on
CSX in Savannah. One was loaded, the other empty. So to say that a
modeler would only buy a Southern wood rack if he was modeling the
Southern isn't completely accurate. I'm not trying to split hairs, just
clarify the use of an upcoming future kit of mine.

I greatly appreciate your help and comments regarding the wood rack and
composite gon. I shot the first flat car underframe in urethane this
afternoon (O scale). I hope to have the pilot model of it done next
week, followed closely by the composite gon, then the wood rack. During
that time, I'll down-size my CAD files to create the HO versions since
there seems to be some interest a-brewin'!

Jim King
Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.
http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/


Re: New England Perishable Traffic

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Tim

Who can really know the inscrutable mind of the traffic agent?

Sometimes I contemplate "dream routings" like SP to NP to MNS to
GBW (then by boat across Lake Michigan car ferry) to AA to GT to
CN to Rutland to CV to B&M to the New Haven.... Isn't it possible
some bored clerk would amuse himself devising the most god-awful
possible route allowed under available tariffs, just to prove it
could be done? Naturally, "perishables" by their nature made this
task more challenging...
Inscrutable No. Expense Account & Pity Yes.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Making Decals

Paul Hillman
 

Jon,

Thanks for the link. I've heard a lot about Sunshine and seen several of their built models. Apparently their adherence to authenticity is superb and the models look great. I've never yet built one though.

But, what is the complete "low-down" on Sunshine? They don't have a web-page? Do they have a picture-type catalog? How do you know what you're attempting to buy from them? They make a lot of stuff.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Miller<mailto:atsf@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Making Decals


>I'm still on this project of building a 38ft, red, wood, Swift
reefer. I finally found (1) set of the Champ decals for this car,
#HR-42, after a Nation-wide search. (Champ doesn't have them
anymore). #HR-40 for the yellow cars are still around at several
places and I got a set of those already.<

Try this site, it doesn't use excel.
http://www.8ung.at/golden_spike/goldenspike/sunshine.html#composit<http://www.8ung.at/golden_spike/goldenspike/sunshine.html#composit>



It lists these Swift reefers made by Sunshine.

24.23 Swift 2500 series solid side sill meat reefers, with red banner and
giant white "Swift" 47-late 50s

24.24 Swift 2500 series solid side sill meat reefers, with white lettering
for red car and giant "Swift" late 49-early 60s


I don't know what these cars are or if the decals are still available.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS






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Re: Making Decals

George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
 

I am using a Minolta 2300W color laser printer and think it does just fine.

Jon Miller <atsf@...> wrote:I'm curious about the new HP colored laser printers. Pricing is not bad
but of course they don't do white or silver, etc. As my current laser
requires $130 for refilled cartridges when the current cartridge is gone I
am thinking about an HP colored laser. They could do a white roller but
demand is so small I doubt it would ever be done.
Has anyone tried these printers for decals?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



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Re: New England Perishable Traffic

Tim O'Connor
 

Jeff,

Westbound Reefer Reloads of Wrapping Paper and other type Merchandise,
I can understand, given the westbound differential rate via
Rutland-Norwood-NYC-Suspension Bridge-Ontario-Michigan & points beyond.

Eastbound, I am at a loss except, maybe, that the formidable Rutland
Sales Force scored again over the relative giants like the ERIE, D&H
and B&M.

Tim Gilbert

Tim

Who can really know the inscrutable mind of the traffic agent?

Sometimes I contemplate "dream routings" like SP to NP to MNS to
GBW (then by boat across Lake Michigan car ferry) to AA to GT to
CN to Rutland to CV to B&M to the New Haven.... Isn't it possible
some bored clerk would amuse himself devising the most god-awful
possible route allowed under available tariffs, just to prove it
could be done? Naturally, "perishables" by their nature made this
task more challenging...

Tim


Re: Making Decals

Paul Hillman
 

Thanks Terry,

Guess I'd have to send off for a catalog first.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: CASO<mailto:caso@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Making Decals



----- Original Message -----
From: "behillman" <chris_hillman@...<mailto:chris_hillman@...>>


> I'm still on this project of building a 38ft, red, wood, Swift
> reefer. I finally found (1) set of the Champ decals for this car,
> #HR-42, after a Nation-wide search. (Champ doesn't have them
> anymore). #HR-40 for the yellow cars are still around at several
> places and I got a set of those already.


Clover House has 12 different dry transfer sets for Swift reefers. #9300-09
is the one that would be similar to the Champ HR-42.
http://www.cloverhouse.com/<http://www.cloverhouse.com/>

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@...<mailto:trlink@...>
www.canadasouthern.com<http://www.canadasouthern.com/>




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Re: Making Decals

Paul Hillman
 

Jim,

Hum-m-m!! I guess that ain't gonna work on my Brothers MFC-420CN printer. I did a test on some dark paper and it doesn't print white I guess.

Maybe they could be run off at a Office Depot, etc.?

Paul Hillman

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To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Making Decals


Hi Paul:

I am in the same shoes as you are. I want to try making my own decals but I
am not sure if my Brothers MFC-210C will do it or not. I have been told
that it will but I have also been told I need an ALPS printer. I know this
doesn't answer your question but I too would like to learn if my printer will or
not.

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf
Modeling the CNJ, L&S Div 60s & 70s








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Re: Making Decals - Sunshine list in Adobe?

Paul Hillman
 

Jim,

Sure!! That would be great, either in the files section or both. I have the latest Adobe reader.

Thanks,

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim and Lisa Hayes<mailto:jimandlisa97225@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Making Decals - Sunshine list in Adobe?


If there's a demand for it, I could put a PDF version of my Sunshine list in
the files area in addition to the Excel version. Anyone need it besides
Paul?
Paul, would you like me to email you a PDF version?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

-----Original Message-----

and I can't access the Sunshine list in the files section because I
don't have "Excell".




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Re: New England Perishable Traffic

armprem
 

Gentlemen,I suspect that there may be some incorrect assumptions.Most of
the perishable traffic went to Burlington.There were several large (by
Vermont standards) wholesale distributors located there.I believe if we were
to examine freight records you would find different results.The same may be
said for oil products.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff English" <englij@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:47 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: New England Perishable Traffic


Tim Gilbert wrote:

Northern New
England received most of its fresh western produce via a
ERIE-Binghamton-D&H-Mechanicville-B&M routing.

As for meat, some of it from the American Mid West arrived
via Canada.
The CN routing would be either via the Central Vermont in
St. Albans VT,
or the Grand Trunk in Island Pond VT while the CP could
route it through
Newport VT. So far as I know, little, if any arrived via the
Rutland. <<

In 1961, the Rutland's last year, which was greatly depressed
compared to previous years, they delivered 39 loaded PFE
cars to the B&M at Bellows Falls, Vt. It was mostly lettuce
from southern California and Arizona, but also included
cabbage, onions, carrots, "canned vegetables" and frozen
potatoes. I have no explanation as to why these cars were
routed via the Rutland, but they were. Similarly, 13 loaded
SFRD cars were handled eastbound..

Also B&M delivered 6 westbound PFE cars returning west
loaded with "wrpg paper" bound for San Francisco. And
again, three loaded SFRD cars went west.

My data for 1961 is far more detailed than for earlier times. In
the last three months of 1942, 13 PFE empties and 11 SFRD
empties went west out of Alburgh, Vt. on Rutland's train
No.9. Two more westbound SFRD cars were loaded and
bound for unknown destinations west of the Rutland's
interchange with NYC at Norwood, N.Y. These western
reefers represent only about 2 cars a week, out of about 60
cars a day, so yes perishable traffic was sparse on the Rutland,
but it <did> exist and somebody found it a useful route.

Jeff English
Troy, New York




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